Shocked to look on the Electoral Calculus website my VERY safe Tory seat and find, with current polling, my MP is only a whisker ahead of Labour. I know things will be closer come the election, but the bugger may actually have to do some doorstep work this time around, and if people vote tactically (there is a significant chunk of libdem votes up for grabs), he may even be in a spot of bother.
Nice to imagine him losing some sleep over it though.
(Interestingly, Reform appear to be at 10% here right now. I can see why Sunak is pivoting right to try to protect this rump of safe Tory seats. It's not an election-winning aim, he knows that's gone, this is about damage limitation.)
The Haunted Pencil is presently on Radio 4, repeating Cruella's claims this morning that the net zero targets are 'arbitrary' and he then referred to Boris Johnson as a 'Net Zero Zealot'
Apparently we don't have to worry about reducing emissions now as we'll easily get there by 2050 because.... technology
He didn't go into any more detail than that. I suppose we can assume this is the same 'technology' that sorted the Irish border issue after Brexit
What an absolute bunch of ****ing clowns!
he then referred to Boris Johnson as a ‘Net Zero Zealot’
I love how he's gone from delivering them an improbably large majority, the saviour of the party, to some kind of soft left loon, in such a short space of time. Hopefully this kind of interview will poke away at the Tories' internal bleeding a bit.
I suspect that the whole reason for all this today is to head off an uprising by the climate-change-denying loons of the party membership and his own fruitloop far right backbenchers at the Tory conference next week
Meanwhile, everyone other than these headbangers states the bleeding obvious... that with this absolutely crazy anti-net-zero attitude all they're doing is further hobbling the UK economy and industry with stupid, short-sighted policies which will be catastrophic in the long term
So, speech at Downing Street at 4.30pm. Lectern watch underway.
Not sure that watering down a few net-zero promises justifies an outside Downing St announcement with no questions. And there are no major policy announcements, because the Conservatives have no policies.
Interesting.
binners - it was Karl McCartney on radio earlier; he is MP for Lincoln so just up the road from me.
He is widely disliked as a tory gobshite who will say and do anything to continue ingratiating himself with sunk and is so far up sunak's arse that a colonoscopy would struggle to find him.
His labour opponent at the GE will be Charlie Faulkener's lad, Hamish, who seems to be making good progress.
sunak is dangerous and useless; completely spineless and without a shred of any principles.
He could surprise everyone by getting to the lectern and saying...I've had enough so I'm off, see y'all.
I expect it's to announce his victory in the war on inflation, as evidenced by a 0.1% drop in the latest figures.
Apparently we are so far ahead of the rest of the world.
Lying ****, little ****ing weasel shitbag.
This has really pissed me off, we have the ability to do more so we should do it, this is nothing more than trying to keep his pay masters happy and weasel out of making any decisions.
I’m punch my iPad in a minute. Once again a Tory prime minister talking absolute shit.
Oh and apparently we are way ahead in offshore wind...... what about not being able to sell any contracts in the latest round?
I don't think I've ever listened to such utter shithousery!
And delivered like he's talking to a class of primary school kids
this is why i am listening using my work computer, i know i won't throw it at the wall.
Getting bloody close though
Why do you guys put yourselves thru watching the odious lie ?
hahahahah watching on live on iplayer - little box comes up in the corner saying:
Contains langauage that may offend
Too ******* right!
Because it is important to pay attention.
Even if I do want to cut his tongue out
Oh and apparently we are way ahead in offshore wind…… what about not being able to sell any contracts in the latest round?
Apparently nobody bid on these as they all take it as read that this lot are done and when theres a labour government will be much more receptive to renewables. Why bother dealing with these idiots now, when you can just hang on 12 months and they'll be gone?
Patronising little shit!
Ok, well he has actually announced one positive thing on the boilers. I'm shocked, but this renting thing he is about to announce is utter shit as the renters have to pay the extra fuel bills instead of having a warm house.
****ing ****, dick bag, shithouse. Go **** yourself!
WTF is he on about, taxing meat?
I've just scrapped this thing that I just literally dreamt up this morning to scare everyone
Improving the auction process...... wonder why
So we don't need to make any sacrifices but we'll still meet the target! Woo 🍻
@binners instead all he will do is make trade deals that let cheaper meat into the country to screw the farmers instead
Pork markets innit
Green future fellowship?
Are they taking a carbon ring to mordor?
Assume rishi is one of the hobbits
Everything he has said is just pragmatic, there's far too many people in here that live in a bubble. I'd love to see the policies and ideas from a number of posters and to see how you juggle the chess pieces..
"We won't take the easy way out"
Except that he literally just did.
Said it before but you'll know when they finally realise that they've lost the next election, when they go from just being crap to frantically smashing everything they can while they can. Their last months will make this stuff look like nothing.
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Full MemberI think you’ll find Shitsville is in West Virginia, it’s twinned with Dudley.
Shitsville is in NW3 London, according to the song anyway
lol kicking the can down the road is pragmatic, leave it to someone else to fix is pragmatic now. Blimey who knew. 😕
Ironic considering the privileged bubble rishi lives in.
The only way to achieve net zero is to focus on helping those who can't afford it. He hasn't done that other than one item on boilers.
Taking the requirement of landlords to better insulate houses is penalising renters who struggle to pay for their fuel bills.
Rishi knows who pays his bills
It's not kicking the can down the road, it's realising that you will not achieve the goals on the path you are on, electric propulsion being one of them. It's all too easy to think of your own circumstances and ignore others where the demands are different, that transport, heating and other energy vectors.
It’s not kicking the can down the road, it’s realising that you will not achieve the goals on the path you are on, electric propulsion being one of them.
Absolutely. If a target is hard, get rid of the target.
It’s all too easy to think of your own circumstances and ignore others where the demands are different, that transport, heating and other energy vectors.
Buying new cars is something for rich, most people (80%) buy 2nd hand cars
Sunak looking out for the richest 20% of car buyers helps the rest how?
. Increasing the number of new ev's now and in the near future increases the number of second hand ones for those less able to afford new cars to buy
Vapour.
Total lack of political will. Passing the book to the consumer. Linking things to the cost of living - when that in itself is a failure of Tory government.
Be very interesting to see how this unnerves Labour. Because this is designed to put some ground between them.
(OMG a referendum on net zero. Say that won't happen.)
Kimbers by your own argument he's actually looking out for those that need the 2nd hand car market to afford their mobility as the trickle down... something you are not getting with EV for a number or reasons. So no, not looking after rich.
And can you stop it with the positivity shit, I am generally not a positive person
😍😍😍
Lol he gets a bit flustered doesn't he with his book leafing.
Absolutely. If a target is hard, get rid of the target.
Very popular with this lot.
See Braverman and her detention centres. Inspections throwing up all kinds of terrible things happening?
Simply stop the inspections! Job jobbed!
Buying new cars is something for rich, most people (80%) buy 2nd hand cars
Sunak looking out for the richest 20% of car buyers helps the rest how?
Someone’s got to buy them initially , to create the second hand cars 🤦♂️
WTF is he on about, taxing meat?
He seemed to mention a few things that had prob been mentioned in one meeting, and announce they were cancelled. Seven bins?
Any change to the auto industry is always fleets and comfortably well off first, feeds the secondhand market in a few years, bottom end of the market comes last. Big risk here is a wobble from investors means the infrastructure won't happen as quick as it would otherwise.
something you are not getting with EV for a number or reasons.
Which are?
The car industry's been working to a 2030 deadline so will have based their long term plans on that. While the ban may not come into play until 2035 there's a chance that the vehicular offering by the manufacturers themselves could well be all electric by 2030 anyway.
Of course e-fuels will be on the rise by then once they work out there probably isn't enough precious metals in our planet to make batteries for all these new electric cars. Maybe that's what Sunak's banking on?
Don't see why they can't ensure every new home is electric only and has some kind of provision to generate and store its own electricity too.
Second hand electric car prices are very appealing now and compare favourably at purchase price with their equivalent ICE cars. There are a number of cheaper models coming through. I strongly believe in five years everyone buying a car will have a viable electric car option on the secondhand market.
Transition costs money we all know this but this government has stripped all of the basics of a functioning country to a broken level. Without the basics in place (health, local government, police etc) we have a difficult problem in how do we fund the basics and support the nation to transition to net zero. The 'Insulate Britain' people who are hated by the Mail and Express should be given more air time, a lost decade in this area puts us further on the back foot. The costs are difficult to manage because this government has squandered our prosperity. They should be helping make this happen but they have screwed everything up, so if it is pragmatic to say that you cannot have a better country because we have ****ed up then maybe he is being pragmatic. But what is happening is that millions of homes will not be upgraded when they should be, we will continue to import vast quantities of energy and the poor will continue to pay through the nose to keep warm in their homes.
The man is a ****
Don’t see why they can’t ensure every new home is electric only
That's the bit I don't understand. Thousands of houses are being built all around me. All gas boilers, no solar etc. Conversion costs will be down to the owners/government in a few years.
it's just trying placating his climate change denialist looney back benchers and moronic gbeebies viewers and hoping to win a few votes for the up coming by elections (ULEZ a gogo).
surprised he hasn't thwarted and imaginary invasion of the Falkland Islands too along with monitoring the number of
passengers we have in our cars (probably didn't have a donor who was in the manikin trade) 🙂
“Renewable energy is unpredictable and expensive!”
*promptly hands the UK’s energy and fuel policy to the Kremlin and Saudi Arabia*
Of course e-fuels will be on the rise by then once they work out there probably isn’t enough precious metals in our planet to make batteries for all these new electric cars. Maybe that’s what Sunak’s banking on?
efuels will be for toys for the rich, the fuel will be so horrendously expensive per litre that no one else will be able to afford it. It’s also greenwashing.
lots of new EV batteries don’t need precious metals. Lithium, yes, but nothing significantly rare.
The trick with the EV batteries will be three things
1. Longevity and reliability with the amount of charge/discharge cycles
2. Replaceability - physically getting to them in the vehicle
3. Reuse/Recovery/Recycling of materials
The auto industry is working on all of these
You can keep informed without listen to them a doing yourbp no good😜🤣
Of course e-fuels will be on the rise by then once they work out there probably isn’t enough precious metals in our planet to make batteries for all these new electric cars
Yeah that was worked out several years ago.
“Renewable energy is unpredictable and expensive!”
I love hearing this from the usual suspects - ie: climate-change-denying loons and Russian gas suppliers.
I live across the valley from a huge windfarm. You can count the days per year they're not moving on the fingers of one hand.
And windfarms are presently the cheapest and fastest to implement form of energy generation
He's just echoing totally untrue tropes back to the gammons
Taking the requirement of landlords to better insulate houses is penalising renters who struggle to pay for their fuel bills.
What those landlords that rent out poorly insulated homes that are raising rents by 30% or more with no improvements? Those landlords? Give your head a wobble!
I live across the valley from a huge windfarm. You can count the days per year they’re not moving on the fingers of one hand.
That will be the days there is no demand as the grid has enough power for the demand that's there.
What those landlords that rent out poorly insulated homes that are raising rents by 30% or more with no improvements? Those landlords? Give your head a wobble!
Are you trying to say that taking the insulation requirements away is a positive?
once they work out there probably isn’t enough precious metals in our planet to make batteries for all these new electric cars
Do you honestly think some of the biggest and most effective manufacturing companies in the world have decided to fundamental change a huge part of their product without considering where the raw materials might come from? And you're the only one who's thought of it?
Rishi’s list of made up things…
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1704522548648509467?s=20/blockquote >
On what planet was any of that a policy by any party? It'll play well with DM readers and the unbelievably thick but it has absolutely no basis in reality.
Landlords and insulation
There needs to be a carrot as well as a stick. It cost me thousands to insulate my rental .
On what planet was any of that a policy by any party?
George Useless was just on channel 4 news, trying to defend ‘the list’ that Rishi published as it was rightly described by Krishnan as ‘complete nonsense that he’s just made up!’
Don’t see why they can’t ensure every new home is electric only and has some kind of provision to generate and store its own electricity too.
shareholder profits! Could easily be legislated for.
It cost me thousands to insulate my rental .
Really, it shouldn't be possible to rent houses unless they're well insulated.
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Yes actually, as it's politically driven. Every OEM is fighting for the same resource hoping that there will be some magic new mines opening up in time... that, and they're all still working on ICE anyway..
Bob Seely taking a kicking on c4 news
Despite it being sadly predictable it was hard not be be slightly incredulous listening to Rish! proudly rolling back environmental protections (in contradiction to commitments made only this year not to do so) in the same week as have seen flooding in Libya and off the back of a summer of global natural events resulting from climate change.
As an environmental consultant it was infuriating hearing the very real concerns and challenges I have been trying to find solutions to being referred to in dog-whistle language to try to make it seem like they are the result of frivolous decisions. The trivialising and misrepresentation of the measures that will reduce the harm being done to our environment to the detriment of our children and future generations is dangerous and irresponsible but sadly it's what we've come to expect from this government.
Even if we are able to achieve our Net-Zero target following the announcement of these measures the slowing of the rate of carbon reduction will have a massive impact on our emissions up to that point resulting in a worse environmental outcome.
The government's own advisors have stated that the costs of climate inaction outweigh the costs of action, so it's hard to see how we will realise a financial benefit to these actions as a whole package.
Most disconcertingly I would only expect him to be making statements that he believes will provide them with political benefit by appealing to the electorate. I appreciate that as an environmental professional I may see these issues in a different light, but who is listening to this and seeing these actions positively?
Even if we assume that this is the action of a dying government lashing out we aren't going to get another until next year. Their failures over the last few years is resulting in any new government being left with such a shit storm to cope with that it's hard to see this bonfire of the sanities being undone much before the end of the next government term.
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1704561667441307656?t=w_At_2tzuno-S5tpDdJAnw&s=19
they key here is how many of that 12.3% would swing back to voting tory, I suspect not many
The reason new homes use old technology in the UK is there is no legislation that says they have to use new stuff! All the laws are centered around planning permission ('can't build that here...' etc). Once you've got that, do what you like - the building standards were probably written by Persimmon and Barratt.
By the law of unintended consequences, the hashtag 'SevenBinsSunak' is now trending.
I see Toyota are supporting Rishi. Aren't they behind with EV products, they went all in on hydrogen so prob need a few more years to catch up.
*promptly hands the UK’s energy and fuel policy to the Kremlin and Saudi Arabia*
Okay, okay, Putin might have screwed us, but there's no way MBS would do that to us. It's not like Russia, a state that relies on fossil fuel sales to pay off an unproductive domestic elite and embarks on quixotic megaprojects at the direction of its increasingly batty authoritarian leader.
that, and they’re all still working on ICE anyway
Could I refer sir to the utterance by Ford motor Co. on X today which would imply that you would be incorrect?
https://twitter.com/mbrookerhk/status/1704536012356002045?s=20
There is going to be frosty atmosphere when lil rishi meets the king next week. Charlie’s speech in France was heavy on the urgency of action rishis less so we are truly ****ed aren’t we 🤯
It's going well for him. When chartered institutes start issuing mocking press releases you know you're doing something different. It's also becoming apparent that he hasn't actually cancelled policies anyway, merely renaming them so they appear different.
One of the announcements was to cancel making everyone have 7 bins, that relates to the waste collection consistency consultation that was ongoing. It's a position that the Conservatives implemented, tracing its origins back to the now Lord Pickles (former Tory party chairman) during his time in DCLG. But there has never been an announcement on the outcome and the indication was that this was never the expected result. The CIWMs response is fairly damning " It is probably a first to have a Prime Minister scrap a policy that hasn't been implemented and was never proposed in the first place. We have since received confirmation from DEFRA that the policy is still progressing, but is now badged as 'Simpler Recycling' ..."
They have really shit policy advisers. This kind of stuff was clearly only going to appeal to a narrow demographic, most of whom probably were core Tory voters anyway.
There is going to be frosty atmosphere when lil rishi meets the king next week. Charlie’s speech in France was heavy
on hypocrisy given the carbon footprint of Chucky and his family and that’s before you get the his entourage of servants and homes round the country along with his love of private jets
I have no issues with pushing this back. There is no way I’d want to buy a second hand Ev at the moment. If you buy a well serviced second hand car for 6 grand you can do so with a reasonable amount of confidence it’s going to be reliable. Unless manufacturers sort out the batteries. Or more importantly make them replaceable, any 10 year old ev you buy will be a complete lottery
not everyone can afford to, or will want to spend 20k+ on a brand new car. I have never bought a brand new car in my life, and have no intention to every buy one, I don’t use my car nearly enough to justify it. Eventually however I’ll be forced to buy a second hand EV, which and all the problems that is likely to come with it