On-One 456 Summer v Cotic BFe
I have an as new Tazer frame, ano black, medium for sale, if it’s any use to you? It’s hardly used at all, never used offroad other than a few pumptrack sessions, with an Easton seatpost, FSA Headset & two sets of dropouts included?
honourablegeorge at gmail dot com
Pics here – forks and other bits are now gone.
Posted 6 years ago
Er, I’m guessing you mean this one – http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/intense-tazer-ht-frame-or-frame-forks. If only it was a small I could be tempted – had one identical (but in small) – beat me up something chronic but was a lovely lovely frame 😛Posted 6 years ago
Anyone tried both? I am very tempted to scratch the hardtail itch with a(nother) tiny Inbred and quite like the idea of hanging onto my Lyriks. I have briefly owned an XS BFe – lovely little frame and pretty damn perfect with the Lyriks but a touch too long for me and although it felt great on the downhills with the Lyriks wound out I felt on small drops and stuff that I was about to be pitched over the front, whereas my Tazer coped fine – maybe the BFe was just too long for me or maybe the angles were a touch steeper than I was used to.
I know from experience that a tiny Inbred fits perfectly (heck, lil red was with me for almost 4 years – that’s gotta be a record 😉 ) but I guess what I need is for someone who’s tried both to confirm that yes, the Summer is indeed slacker.
I can’t afford to do the trial and error thing any more and all this frame swapping is getting a little tedious. I just want something to keep for another 4 years 😛
Feel free to post more hardtail pics. Everyone loves a photo thread 8)Posted 6 years ago
My Inbred top tubes both measured 21.5″ and the BFe a tad under 22″ and yes, same bar/stem set up.
That raw Summer looks lovely 8)
Just found the 456 in the classifieds but it’s a standard not Summer so I guess would be slightly steeper angles – does look nice though. Sheesh, why do I have to be such a geometry anorak 🙄
Take no notice of Elf, you encourage all you like folks, not that it takes much 😉Posted 6 years ago
Lyriks are 110-160 but I’d imagine that the 456 would be similar in geometry to the BFe – just hoping that the Summer may suit me better, being slacker.
I guess I can’t compare a 456 to my older Inbreds Toys19, although I’d hope that the toptube length was similar. I just felt that the BFe was a touch too long for me.Posted 6 years ago
Hold that creditcard mamadirt, just measured my bfe xs toptube and its about 21 3/8ths centre of headtube to centre of seat tube. Perhaps newstyle bfe’s are a bit shorter? The offer of a spin on mine is open anytime you are near the shire.
Just off to FOD now but will take piccies tonight to show.Posted 6 years ago
Thanks Toys, very much appreciated, but I’ve just pulled the trigger on a tiny 456 SS 😛 . I think the slacker angles will suit me better – being tiny I have no riding finesse/leverage to loft the front whatsoever which is probably why I like slack bikes so much 😆
Watch . . . as they say . . . this space 8)
Still post the pics though – haven’t been to FOD for ages although it’s not too far from me. Hopefully once I’m back on a hardtail again I can jump on the Lydney train on my day off 8)Posted 6 years agoRDL-82Member
Had a 456 SS for over a year, great bike going down always felt a chore going up. The BFe is great down and alot better going up. I found the 456SS rode a lot better at 120 than at 140 and indeed I’m prefering the BFe at 120.Posted 6 years ago
With a like for like component spec (although not in the pictures) I fell the BFe was/is the better of the two, having said that, it depends what you want. If you just want to balloon about then either, but for a more alrounder I’d pick the BFe out of the two.
Oh and the 456SS is definitely slacker than the BFe.
Good tip there Graeme but I only use a single ring so fingers crossed the eThirteen will take care of the chain. I’m gonna have to just look at it this evening I’m afraid . . . waiting on a seatpost, headset and seatclamp . . . fingers crossed for tomorrow eh? My first day back at work tomorrow too after 6 weeks off . . talk about bad timing 😕
Going to be slacker than a slack thing with lyrics….And funner than a fun thing too
That’s the plan 😛Posted 6 years agorossmceachranMember
How glad i am to have come across this forum – I signed up just to reply. I got a bit of bargain on some lyriks but they’re too big for my Kona frame. I’m not about to give up the forks so thinking about upgrading with a new frame that can take the travel, choosing between the BFe and 456 SS (although shame the lime green isn’t in stock).
The price difference is obvious, and the 456 looks so good – will be great to see her built and hear how she rides.
Watching with envy…..Posted 6 years ago
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