[Closed] Mixing campy & shimano?

For your SRAM R2C shifters?

You will need Campag shifters and cassette if you use a Campag mech. Just not worth the hassle. If you must, then some companies (American Classic springs to mind) do an M10 cassette with ED10 (Campag) spacing.

for the rear mech you will need campag shifters. i dont think a campag chain will run on a shimano cassette but you can have one made by marchisio. i know pearson in sutton have them but im not to sure about any one else

It'll work with a bit of tweaking but it'll never be as good as a full Shimano or full Campagnolo set up. And the Fashion Police will arrest you.
With Shimano shifters it should be fine since it's all down to the amount of cable being pulled. With Campag shifters and a Shimano cassette it'll need a lot more fettling.

And don't call it Campy, that sounds rubbish...

Never been sure about the chain, because things like KMC X10SLs will work on Shimano or Campag.

I've got Shimano cassette, Campag rear mech, Campag shifters, odd brakes and a KMC chain. Works like shit.
HTH

My 10 speed campag shifters with 9 speed shimano cassette, 9 speed Shimano chain and Shimano rear mech with the cable fixed in the hubbub method works perfectly on my CX bike.

Hubbub: [url] http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946 [/url]

9 speed Campag shifters and rear mech will work acceptably with a 9 speed Shimano cassette though not as well as a single-brand setup.

Alright guys thanks. just thinking of a good route to go down other than R2C.

Craig

Had the same thing a while ago, Campag shifters and mech, on a Shimano cassette.

I kinda worked, but there was always a couple of gears that just felt like they weren't indexed properly. So I just flogged the Shimano wheel and bought a Campag one and cassette. It was a lot better.

Stick to one or the other, or the fashionistas will be onto you.

Surely the sensible option for what you're trying to do (eg must use your existing 9 speed cassette) is just to put on a shimano mech and shifter and mount the shifter to the frame in one of the various ways people are already doing which seem to work? Or am I missing something?

and just to round things off......10 spd Campag Ergos shift perfectly with an 8spd Shimano cassette.

But why buy 10 speed shifters to only have 8 gears?

I can't even get past the title of this one.
[i]campy[/i]???????
How very dare you.

Surely the sensible option for what you're trying to do (eg must use your existing 9 speed cassette) is just to put on a shimano mech and shifter

+1

Anyway, what's so special about this cassette that you have to use it!? Why not just go 10 speed with the R2C shifters if that's what you fancy.

The idea, is that i dont really like shimano derailleurs, they dont make many light ones really and most other companys dont make 9 speed shifters.

Any who i think im gonna just stick to an all shimano system and put up with the extra weight for the sake of hassel.

Thanks guys though

Craig

I am using a 10 speed Shimano Chain with everything else 10 speed Campag (FSA cranks), all works fine.

Doug

"i dont really like shimano derailleurs, they dont make many light ones"

I'm not sure they're that different from anyone elses at the same price point are they?

i dont really like shimano derailleurs, they dont make many light ones

What are you using as your benchmark for weight?

XTR Shadow: 182g
Dura Ace 7900: 166g
SRAM X.0 long cage: 210g
SRAM XX: 181g
SRAM Red: 153g
Campag Super Record: 174g

OK Red is marginally lighter, but it's also got ceramic bearing jockey wheels which account for the difference! Considering the XX rear mech is double the price of XTR for a 1g saving, I don't think Shimano stuff's particularly heavy!

This does come back to why you're using lightweight kit on a jump bike though?

sorry to butt in but will a campag chainset work with a full shimano set up

thanks

I've certainly seen the reverse done, so yes, but weather it'll be 'perfect' I know not.

nJee, that kinda shuts me up haha.

Yeah, i think thats a deciding factor, if i add ceramics and lightened jockys on a 7900...perfect!

Well, road deralliers iv used on MTB's for a while they work great and there short cages mean they dont get cought up easyily.

Im trying to get as lightweight as poss on my bike as its a 16kg beast before i started my strip n rebuild.

Craig

karnali - yes, fine.

Well theoretically then you'll need to use the 7900 TT shifters. Basically, ideally your mech and your shifters should match, so if you're still wanting to use the R2C shifters then I'd get a Red mech.

Either of those will only work properly with a 10 speed set up, but I'd think the last thing you want on a jump again is a thin chain and a cassette with ti sprockets you could break more easily.

did you ask this sort of question over on Pink Bike a lot?

wwawas - Not really

Njee - Well im already running a 9speed ti cassette on the rear, thats why im looking for a new lighter derailleur along with some shifters that are ideally indexing (i can live without r2c) and bar ends, the bar end shifters would be easier for me to use and mount to my bottle cage than say a trigger.

Craig

What ti cassette have you got one of the Cycle Dynamics ones?

Just get an XTR shadow mech and an XTR shifter in that case. You'll be guaranteed it'll work perfectly then.

So, an XTR mech with a Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifter. Light and easy to get hold of. I don't quite understand the problem.

I have a shimano 7700 Ti cassette.

I guess i can lighten up the shadow a little bit without much compromise.

Thanks for the help.

Craig

Just to put an end to this sorry saga 😉

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Just ride it as it is, I honestly wouldn't go to the trouble of trying to make it lighter on a jump bike, surely reliability is far more important.

And as Clubber suggested, if you still need a bar end shifter get a DA 9 speed one.

YEah ill go with dura-ace bar ends.

Just checked up the shadow doesnt come in short cage.

However the 7900 does 🙂

Craig

But the 7900 is a different cable pull ratio designed to work specifically with the 7900 shifters and nothing else.

XTR comes in medium cage, but no, not short.

ah.

Well while looking at the 7900, i came accross shimanos new 'saint' range comes in short cage versions.

How about these, or will these have to be used specifically with 'saint' shifters?

Craig

I suspect a short cage saint mech will weigh more than a medium xtr...

FFS!

Why not just go for Saint in the first place then! Saint won't be light but would clearly be a more sensible option, along with the Saint shifter but you seem hellbent on weight saving above all else!

i want to save weight on the basis my bike weights like 16kg. however, a rear mech is somthing iv never broken in the past.

I would have sujested the saint earlier had i known its exsistance!

I guess with light weight jockets and Ti bolts it'll be made lighter with out making it any weaker.
Craig

you'd save more weight and be a lot safer if you just had a kidney removed rather than trying to shave weight off componenets that'll lleave you broken if they fail.

saving 4 grammes on a mech is really not going to make any difference on a jump bike...

Alu bolts in jockeys.

But if you're starting with a 16kg bike you're looking at the wrong parts, change your wheels, tyres, forks etc if you want to get that down, not several hundred pounds on carbon rear mechs.

true. but id suspect jockeys and Ti bolts come to more than 4 grams.

Were would you sujest saving weight then? iv done wheels, bars, seat, cranks, pedals, fork.

Craig

16[b]kg[/b]?! What's it made of, that famous alloy of depleted uranium, lead and granite?
Can I suggest that your weight saving starts with a new frame and some new wheels. Then worry about the rest of it...

maybe i should just leave it weighing heavy. seems to be the way forward really.

Ill just get a tough 9 speed shimano n leave it be

it's not about saving weight it's about having a biek that's fit for the purpose you use it for.

I could go dirt jumping on my 17lb road bike but neither it nor I woudl last long.

If you are lookign to build a dirt bike see what the pro's use - they'll have the strongest, lightest kit that they can safely use because their livliehoods depend on it.

30lb for a jump bike's not bad.

Why not just singlespeed it and save yourself a world of indecision?

Full spec listing of the current build please.

I think you may have to accept though that a DJ bike (which I think is what you have) is never going to be really light and good at its intended purpose.

Unless of course it's just for parading round the carpark... 😉

Crazy-legs

Yeah i know its a beast. well the frame comes in at 2kg, Kona chute. wheels i have just changed, bars are in the works, forks are lightweights as it stands(actaul 1.9kg), seatpost, seat, tires, cranks, headset, seatclamp. i dont know what else to do :S

Give us a spec, and we'll tell you. Honestly changing bolts is a real last resort, you'll save sod all weight doing that, least of all on the jockey wheels!

Right spec

Please dont flame me, i am still a noob remember.

hubs hope Ti-glides
Rims - trialtech drilled rims
Spokes - hope no butted
seat - diamond back kevlar seat
frame - Kona chute
forks - Oldskool Z1 00's
headset - custom machined 24/7
seatclamp - xlite again machined to lighten it
cassette - shimano ti cassette
discs - hope 5 bolt
brakes - hope c2's
Bars, - 24/7 dark angel(working on changing these)
cranks - raceface(unknown type) again custom machined to lighten
pedals - Wellgo mangesium and ti shafts

Have i forgoten anything??

Craig

"raceface(unknown type) again custom machined to lighten"

well, they're your testicles but rather you than me.

sorry, not meaning to flame you but are you sure about this?

Are your parts 'custom machined' with a Dremel?! Sounds terrifying! Got any photos of your cranks?

Those brakes are seriously weighty.

I'd think about wheels, they're obviously rather old. Depends how good you are at jumping I guess, or rather landing.

Cranks were done on my 3 axis milling machine as were theother parts.

No pics as there not finished yet.

The wheels are brand new, not even been used yet!! lol

Hope ti-glide hubs and 5-bolt rotors? They were discontinued by Hope about 7 years ago, C2s weren't far behind!

Yeah the hubs are kina new old if you get me.

Craig