[Closed] Megan Stammers runs off with teacher

Just a bit sad for all concerned.

It was never going to end well for anyone. really.

I agree, he has thrown his career and marriage away, what a shame.

I bet it all feels so real too - especially for Megan. Remember when you were young?

I just hope they don't get panicked into doing anything silly or dangerous.

Oh, does that sound a bit cynical and disillusioned? Sorry. Maybe it IS the real thing.

Surely that should read...

"r.. r.. r..uns..off..w..w..ith..t..t..t... teacher." ?

I know a teacher who did this[ well sort of] - not to running off levels but they ended up married and have 3 kids and still together 25 years later. He left the school when she did and no one ever found out - he denies anything happened at school I am not fully convinced.

Still my main reaction is WTF were you thinking of mr 30 year old married professional - hard to see how it ends well and not fair on her family the worry that is being caused

so which Euro nations to flee to have 15yrs for the age of consent?

At no point on the drive to the Channel did he think "Maybe this isnt such a great idea"?

I don't care how many extra hours he puts in, he isn't getting a pay rise.

Graham S very sharp 😆

Do you think he'll get a pay rise for extra hours?

Have laws been broken?

Lol - yes when I heard Megan Stammers I thought "Oh, does she?"

Have laws been broken?

Stoner - Member

so which Euro nations to flee to have 15yrs for the age of consent?

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scuzz - Member
Have laws been broken?

Yes, he's abducted a minor at least. Her age doesn't allowed her consent to stand. Plus anything else which I really hope hasn't happened... 😯

so which Euro nations to flee to have 15yrs for the age of consent?

Nowhere in Europe

(EDIT) I was thinking of the age at which they could Marry in Europe)

Have laws been broken?

isnt there one about not shagging your pupils/patients/charges/inmates etc regardless of their age if you are in a responsible position?

At 15, 20 would be old, let alone 30! 😯

Funny how when you get to 30, 45 is not such an issue 😉

I just hope they don't get panicked into doing anything silly or dangerous.

That's what I hope too

Yep, any sexual relationship between a teacher and his/her pupil under the age of 18 is a criminal offence in the UK.

Have laws been broken?

As a minimum it is gross missconduct which will see him sacked and not allowed to teach again and I [i]think[/i] that any relationship of this nature between a teacher and pupil is also subject to additional sanctions that would not be the case were the adult not a teacher.

Kryton 57 "plus anything else" I imagine that ship has sailed also!

I just hope they don't get panicked into doing anything silly or dangerous.

Hopefully unduly pessimistically, I think it may already be over 🙁

so in theory, if he hands in his notice, and waits till they get to Spain, then he's in the clear?

I don't care how many extra hours he puts in, he isn't getting a pay rise.

*stands and applauds mcboo*

isnt there one about not shagging your pupils/patients/charges/inmates etc regardless of their age if you are in a responsible position?

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There is up here. It was brought in after a high profile case about 10 years ago when the music teacher at an aberdeen school set up home with a by-then pregnant 17yo pupil.And he hadn't broken the law becuase she was over the age of consent.
"Abuse of a postion of trust." Or something like that...not sure as I will never hear the words spoken to me in the back of a police car.

Stoner - I suspect there may be a caveat about both people beign under a certain age for the spain thing (but I don;t know).

How long til this topic is closed?

From that map: age of consent 20? Blimey, where's that??

And what would be the point of Fresher's Week?

This really seems odd to me. I can't think why anyone would run off with a 15yr old, teacher or no teacher. If the pair of them are 15 then hey..,, you could kind of understand but then they’d get no further than the ferry terminal I guess. But this blokes a (cough) responsible adult and she’s so clearly a minor.
I'm not waiting to hear the facts, the Mans an idiot pure and simple. No excuses on this one. I feel for her mind, she must be going through all sorts of mixed emotions and messages. And no doubt too frightened to come home, poor kid. He, well in true STW style should MTFU and contact the authorities now and do the honourable thing.

Having said all that my Sister had an affair with our Drama teacher and he got the sack there and then, my Sister ran away from home, took us 14mths to find her, turned out she went to That London and ended up in a Convent.

yes he's been an idiot, but some of the 15yr old girls I knew at school wouldn't take no for an answer.

[i]Yep, any sexual relationship between a teacher and his/her pupil under the age of 18 is a criminal offence in the UK. [/i]

You see, I don't understand this. The age of consent is the age of consent, why does the circumstances of the professional relationship between the parties matter?

wwaswas - wiki says only limit is under 16 by deceit.

IHN Because the teacher could have been grooming the pupil for years.

[i]IHN Because the teacher could have been grooming the pupil for years. [/i]

And a non-teacher could have been grooming a minor for years and waited until they turned 16 to take it a step further, but that's not illegal (not that it's right, obviously)

The point of the age of consent is that it's the age at which you are deemed to be capable of making and to be responsible for your own (sexual) actions. I don't think that the law should should say that you're capable in some situations and not in others.

One of my mates ended up married to his science teacher after he left school (long since divorced now though). She'd be in trouble these days.

Stoner - I suspect there may be a caveat about both people beign under a certain age for the spain thing (but I don;t know).

Apparently not, the caveat is that if one person is over 18, and the other under, the elder person cannot use deceit (or obviously force) to obtain consent. Not quite sure how that works out in practise, and either way outside of gypsy (and possibly Moroccan immigrant) communities it wouldn't be socially acceptable.

likewise at our school, it was the drama teacher IIRC.

still married as far as I know... also, fairly common knowledge at the time, even to me who was fairly out of the loop; things were just different I guess.

IHN - I think the idea is to remove undue influence. i.e. a kind of subtle bribery - "boff me and you get good grades", "boff me and I'll sort you out with the good meds", "boff me and I'll get you on light duties" etc etc.

Stoner you're such a charmer.

My money is on this: She is pregnant and he hasn;t been able to pursuade her to have an abortion.

[i]IHN - I think the idea is to remove undue influence. i.e. a kind of subtle bribery - "boff me and you get good grades", "boff me and I'll sort you out with the good meds", "boff me and I'll get you on light duties" etc etc[/i]

But, again, at 16 you're deemed as capable of making the decision as to whether to boff the person or not, or to report them to whomever for the undue influence that they are trying to exert.

and theres me thinking teachers had stopped doing any extra curricular activiites.

or just perhaps theyre doing a u tube remake of Clockwork a film with John Cleese as a head master who runs off with one of his pupils.

The age of consent is the age of consent, why does the circumstances of the professional relationship between the parties matter?

Duty of care innit. Teachers have it.

My wife's paternal grandmother ran off with French teacher at the age of 15. He was 26ish iirc. To France, in 1938, he returned to Scotland at the outbreak of WWII. Joined up, was captured at Tobruk, escaped PoW camps twice (recaptured obviously) and saw out the war in captivity. Returned home, they got married nd had a family. Both lived to their 90s... Make of that what you will...

physics teacher had an affair with a vulnerable young lady from our school, she was in the year below me and rumours started when she was 14, said teacher had a new wife who was preggers at the time, he used to teach us (and the 14yr old girl) kickboxing after school where she'd always help pack away after we had all left.

cos he was a fun teacher we never paid too much attention to the rumours, but 2 years after i left school i saw them, hand in hand, kissing, walking around obviously no longer hiding the relationship now she was 16.

apparently he left the school when she got to yr 11 (15, turning 16yrs old)

I think you are trolling IHN.

But, again, at 16 you're deemed as capable of making the decision as to whether to boff the person or not, or to report them to whomever for the undue influence that they are trying to exert.

Are you really saying you can't understand why it's different when it's a teacher pupil relationship?

[i]Duty of care innit. Teachers have it.[/i]

A duty of care means you must make every effort to safeguard the wellbeing of those in your care. It does not mean that they absolve all responsibilty to you, they are still capable of their own decisions.

It's a sackable offence at my wife's college where the kids are 17 and up.

Bet the bloke will regret the whole episode in another 10 years time if they are still together ...

I was actually surprised it made national news TBH, can't be that much happening just now.

[i]It's a sackable offence at my wife's college where the kids are 17 and up.[/i]

I can understand why you might lose your job over it, as it's not a very clever thing to do given that it is supposed to be a professional relationship. I just don't see why you should go to prison for it.

IHN, are you a teacher?

What made me wince was the puerile nonsense the teacher had written in his blog about "moral decisions" and how anything was O.K. as long as you could "look at yourself in the mirror" afterwards.

Moron.

He should just admit to himself he wanted to have sex with a minor and couldn't keep it in his pants.

Prosecution looms. Deservedly so.

A duty of care means you must make every effort to safeguard the wellbeing of those in your care

Depends if you consider youth to be a contributing factor to vulnerability, doesn't it?

IHN - Member
I can understand why you might lose your job over it, as it's not a very clever thing to do given that it is supposed to be a professional relationship. I just don't see why you should go to prison for it.

deadlydarcy - Member

IHN, are you a maths teacher currently in france and running low on funds and teletubbies videos?

Whats going on with the photo of the guy in this article?

Looks like he's had two faces stitched together

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19710851

Megan was apparently spied hand-in-hand with Jeremy Forrest, 30, on the plane home from a five-day-visit to Los Angeles with the school.

School trip?? Los Angeles??

I seem to remember going on a school trip to St Albans, and another one to Birdworld.... but Los bloody Angeles?

[i]IHN, are you a teacher? [/i]

I wish 😉

[i]Depends if you consider youth to be a contributing factor to vulnerability, doesn't it? [/i]

Yeah, true.

he's abducted a minor at least. Her age doesn't allowed her consent to stand.

A duty of care means you must make every effort to safeguard the wellbeing of those in your care.

at 16 you're deemed as capable of making the decision as to whether to boff the person or not, or to report them to whomever for the undue influence that they are trying to exert.

There's seven billion people in the world. It's not going to kill anyone if they can't have sex with any of the children they're responsible for and who are in a position of special vulnerability to them.

I wish

Good.

I wondered about that. Is LA now an area historical and cultural interest?

Whats going on with the photo of the guy in this article?

Looks like he's had two faces stitched together

Wait until he gets jailed they have some really special treatments for nonces in prison.

according to the daily fail (via the indie)...........

the school was made aware of the relationship months ago??

and yet the school did nothing? it is a church school though i suppose they just covered it up as normal

[i]The "exception" that applies to sex between teachers and U18 students is an obligation/restriction on the teacher, not the student. I don't think it's an unreasonable one. I know a reasonable number of teachers. I don't think they would think it's unreasonable either. [/i]

I don't think it's unreasonable either, and as I said, I can quite see how a teacher could and should lose his or her job for it. What I can't understand is why it is a criminal offence.

A 21 year old teacher could meet a 17 year old girl in a nightclub. They both quite fancy each other, and as long as shes not a pupil at his school, they can fool around with each other to their hearts' content and no-one would bat an eyelid. If she is a pupil at his school, he could go to prison for doing what they both happily consent to doing. It seem a bit draconian.

I was actually surprised it made national news

Really? I think it is an obvious leading article. She is 15yrs old FFS

From what’s been said, the school, her parents and the police were already involved in looking at their ‘relationship’ before they did a runner – presumably they ran to avoid the consequences.

He’s a massive idiot, regardless of her willingness he was in a position of responsibility. A good few of my school mates had boyfriends in their mid-20s to early-30s when they 14/15 – I thought it was creepy then, find it even creepier now.

He's completely ruined his life, certainly his career and I imagine marriage, and might end up on the sex offenders register. She'll probably manage to come out of this with probably just a vague sense of embarrassment and regret, but will be able to move on fairly easily.

I thought it was creepy then, find it even creepier now.

It's pretty sad all round. At 15 my head was all over the place emotionally I can understand how she thinks this is going to be the start of something great and I bet she thinks she's madly in love. Don't really care what he thinks he's doing he's got a responsibility to her not to do this.

Interesting, mainly from the reactions it provokes among the righteous...

If their gender were reversed, at least half the posts in this thread would be laddish and congratulatory.

Says a lot...

crikey - Member
Interesting, mainly from the reactions it provokes among the righteous...

If their gender were reversed, at least half the posts in this thread would be laddish and congratulatory.

Sadly he's right. When we were at school and at the age of 16 one of my mates was shagging the mum of one of our other mates. It only stopped when the two mates met over the breakfast table one morning.

We all thought he was a hero.

Gorehound - Member

Bored of the "other" forum now? 😉

at least half the posts in this thread would be laddish and congratulatory.

On the first page, quite a few are.

Of course, you could be making it up to suit your own indignation.

It's also how love works; rather than the pallid, limp, anaemic thing that passes for love these days.

As with the affair threads, it demonstrates the extent to which people are unable to think in anything other than straight lines.

Kryton57 - Member
Gorehound - Member
Bored of the "other" forum now?

Nope just bouncing around all over when I'm between doing stuff. Free country isn't it?

No indignation here, just interested observation.

the pallid, limp, anaemic thing that passes for love these days.

Ah, you spotted me chatting up emzs eh?

Gorehound - Member

Kryton57 - Member
Gorehound - Member
Bored of the "other" forum now?

Nope just bouncing around all over when I'm between doing stuff. Free country isn't it?

Not in STW land, and you should know that better than most (awaits ban for treason)

(awaits ban for mentioning bans)

What I don't understand is; if he really liked her he could have waited until she was 16 (less than a year) and changed jobs to teach at another school. Then it would have been legal. Idiot!

Idiot!

Assuming, of course, that he is aware that what he is doing is wrong. No-one in their right mind could possibly believe that there is nothing wrong here.

What's wrong here is the guy is a nonce simple as.