what would he do when he got there?

calm down, he’s ok, because

The car gun was apparently carried concealed when out and about

Ex colleague who lived in the states for a couple of years had talked about the gun culture and this mentality and carrying multiple guns because of worries about marauding mexicans in the gated communities was a common thing. And yet, without mexicans, there would be nobody doing the low paid service jobs with dubious legality and zero healthcare or state support etc etc.

Barking.

I’ve only skim-read this thread, so apologies if this has already been addressed…

But do we honestly believe that one man could carry over 20 firearms – large calibre long-barrelled military-grade firearms – plus thousands of rounds of ammunition through the lobby of a modern luxury hotel and up elavators without arousing suspicion?

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I smell a rat…

unlikely. he’ll have got the bell boy to deliver it and tipped him $20.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but

😀

How long had he booked the room for? Could have been multiple trips.

How long had he booked the room for? Could have been multiple trips.

Obviously it must have been, but that’s a serious amount of weaponry and not the sort of thing that could be easily disguised. I’m pretty sure that even in the US of A, someone walking back and forth carrying large gun cases would draw attention to themselves, especially in a touristy gambling hotel like the Mandalay…

You don’t have to transport guns in gun cases.

But do we honestly believe that one man could carry over 20 firearms – large calibre long-barrelled military-grade firearms – plus thousands of rounds of ammunition through the lobby of a modern luxury hotel and up elavators without arousing suspicion?

without knowing the ins and outs of the security in hotels, I don’t see why not. I walk past the Landmark Hotel in London on the way to work and there are regularly vans unloading huge piles of miscellaneous luggage and cases of all shapes and sizes.

I find it amazing that there’s consensus on the whole “price of Freedom” argument. Bill O’Reilly said;

I can tell you that government restrictions will not stop psychopaths from harming people.

Well no. But that’s hardly the point is it. it’s just deflection.

Sigh.

I’ve stayed in Vegas, Excalibur, on a snowboarding trip, stopover between Mammoth and SLC. No-one raised an eyebrow at a couple of board and ski bags. I imagine same with a golf bag or whatever?

He was in the hotel room for several days.

I assume there are conspiracy theories going around already questioning the facts?

I’m firmly in the ‘I like guns’ camp, in a really nerdy, how they work, the tolerances involved, how they are made, kind of way, and if someone gave me the opportunity to (safely) have a go with an assault rifle/minigun, I’d bite their hand off. Same with any military hardware really.

However, I realise that not everyone is the same as me and if me not having easy access to aforementioned assault rifles and minigins means that a town the size of knaresborough doesn’t get murdered every year, then I don’t mind all that much.

As per Jim Jeffries, society has to move at the speed of the slowest. I can drink and drive like a champion, but because Susan and Janet over there can’t, it means I’m not allowed to. Thanks Susan and Janet.

Also, were they all large caliber rifles/assault rifles? Some of those 20 might have just been handguns. It wouldn’t take a lot to get 20 mixed type guns in a big suitcase or two and wheel it in. He was obviously deranged but at the same time planned it so I’m not sure why he would want to carry around 20 long barrel guns

I’m in the US again this week.

No one is talking about this. Yes, it’s on the morning news, but it’s not evident in conversations anywhere. Almost as if it didn’t happen.

I can’t quite put my finger on it but it’s very odd to not hear anyone talking about it.

(very mixed group of work colleagues, across entire US political spectrum and locations )

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you can get a cheap, solid AR that’ll do the job for a few hundred dollars.You get a lot of, er, bangs for your buck and huge tinkering/hobbyist value too

A few years back I was in Oregon and 3 of us went out into the hills to shoot some guns. me and my mate (UK) and one of his American buddies who brought along an AR-15 modified with an extended magazine that held 99 rounds. I’m not sure it’s legal to modify a car to kill more things. Anyway, we had 2*Ak47s, 2*Colt .45’s, a pump action shotgun and more. Was a lot of fun. Before going we were in a “sports store” where “sport”=shooting things and wearing jeans and checked shirts. Standing at the glass display counter where the pistols were and accepting that I’d never get one past UK customs, an assistant asked if he could help. I asked to buy a box of bullets because I knew we’d be using them and I’d have a receipt to show my pals back home. “What kind of bullets?”
“Colt 45.”
“There you go, do you have a driver’s licence or other ID?”
“Indeed I do, and here it is.”
“What’s this?” “
UK drivers licence, valid throughout the EU and other countries, with HGV and motorcycle entitlement”.
“Hmmmm, never seen one of these, anyway, that’ll be…” At which point my mate turned up and said he would buy the bullets. Asked if he had his drivers licence, he said yes it was out in the car. Which was enough for him to buy a box of bullets for “the most powerful handgun in the world”. I found that quite scary.

TBH I just reckon the guy really didn’t like country music and who could blame him?

Which was enough for him to buy a box of bullets for “the most powerful handgun in the world”

Sorry, but I’m calling BS on this.

As Harry knows, the 44 Magnum is the most powerful handgun in the world, and could blow your head clean off.

”UK drivers licence, valid throughout the EU and other countries, with HGV and motorcycle entitlement”

Did you actually say that ?

That’s even more wierd than being able to buy assault rifles in Asda!

Obviously it must have been, but that’s a serious amount of weaponry and not the sort of thing that could be easily disguised. I’m pretty sure that even in the US of A, someone walking back and forth carrying large gun cases would draw attention to themselves, especially in a touristy gambling hotel like the Mandalay…

In a state with lax gun laws where the ownership of a gun like that is nothing out of the ordinary.
A few trips back and forth with a golf bag, sports bag, briefcase… easily done.

Does anyone have an address for Susan and Janet?

I can drink and drive like a champion, but because Susan and Janet over there can’t, it means I’m not allowed to. Thanks Susan and Janet.

So you’re advocating legalizing automatic assault rifles in the UK so you can kill Susan and Janet and then we can all drink drive… Like it, it might just work…

Obviously it must have been, but that’s a serious amount of weaponry and not the sort of thing that could be easily disguised. I’m pretty sure that even in the US of A, someone walking back and forth carrying large gun cases would draw attention to themselves, especially in a touristy gambling hotel like the Mandalay…

Guns dismantle, they would fit into a large suitcase and another for the ammo.

Guns dismantle, they would fit into a large suitcase and another for the ammo.

This, also the check-in in Vegas hotels is the most manic I’ve ever experienced, loads of people on loads of lines, bags and cases piled high on bellhop trolleys, me and Mrs P were there for 3 nights 10 years ago and had 4 huge (proper massive, way bigger than would be necessary for 3 nights) suitcases with us, no one batted an eyelid. A friendly young man even carried the bags up to our room for us.

No one gives a crap what you’re carrying in them, it’s Vegas innit.

That’s even more wierd than being able to buy assault rifles in Asda!

Yes, but then I’m the kind of weirdo who’ll buy bullets because he can.

No one gives a crap what you’re carrying in them, it’s Vegas innit.

Nobody cares in the UK either. People travel with all kinds of luggage.

Taking the stuff to his room, like the rest of this crime, was easy.

Sorry, but I’m calling BS on this.

As Harry knows, the 44 Magnum is the most powerful handgun in the world, and could blow your head clean off.
Damn, found out, gun freak and BS’er. Actually, it shows you don’t need to know your guns or your Dirty Harry movies to walk into a shop an walk out tooled up with weaponry. Just as long as you have something that looks a bit like a driving licence (which in Oregon you can lose for not going to school, carrying a gun to school or not keeping up with your child support payments)

Saying on the news he took ten suitcases into the room
And had built a snipers nest, what ever that is.

I think Nevada has an “open carry” law anyway does it not?

The point that I’ve never heard explained is that Canada has more guns per capita than the US but virtually no shootings. So it’s not the access to firearms and number present that are the only contributory factors.

Are Canadians generally happier than Americans.

Are Canadians generally happier than Americans.

I think they live in less fear of everybody else.

The point that I’ve never heard explained is that Canada has more guns per capita than the US but virtually no shootings.

Almost 4 times as many guns per capita in the US than in Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Canada in between Austria and France.

Not worth discussing IMO,they know why it happens,let them get on with it.

Canada in between Austria and France.

bro, check an atlas.

*whispering

oh . right. yeah i see.

The point that I’ve never heard explained is that Canada has more guns per capita than the US but virtually no shootings.

Almost 4 times as many guns per capita in the US than in Canada.[/quote]

That’s probably why nobody has ever explained that point to namastebuzz then 😆

councilof10 – Member

But do we honestly believe that one man could carry over 20 firearms – large calibre long-barrelled military-grade firearms – plus thousands of rounds of ammunition through the lobby of a modern luxury hotel and up elavators without arousing suspicion?

Yes, very easily. Just stick em in suitcases and walk on in. A nice man’ll help you up the stairs. Carry a couple on your back if you like, it’s an open carry state, you’re just asserting your constitutional right

Now I’m not a conspiracy theorist but do we honestly believe that one man could have trouble honestly believing that someone could put some guns in suitcases and carry them into a hotel, without it being a feeble deflection away from a truth he doesn’t like about mass shootings?

There are indoor and outdoor shooting ranges aplenty in Las Vegas, no one would stand out carrying rifle bags, and in pretty much every hotel I was in, you didn’t have to go past security or even check in to get to a room. The hotels are designed to disorientate and distract.

It would not be hard to get that amount of stuff in over a period of a few days.

Stash your hoard of weaponry in the boot of your rental parked in the basement garage. After midnight, take one of the concierge trolleys down to the basement, pile on yer armoury and take the elevator to the 32nd floor – what’s the problem?

Anybody any thoughts on what this guys motive may be? Pretty baffling tbh, millionaire(apparently), 65 year old, no military history, no criminal history, no gun nut history, fairly quiet guy, attacked a country gig where most are likely ardent supporters of the 2nd amendment? (That last point stands out as very odd.)

Only thing I can think considering that, is maybe he was making a point about the gun laws? Aye I know that sounds utterly mental, but I’m strugglin to the think of any logical motive beyond him simply being mentally ill, though I do accept that that’s more likely, maybe his mental health did take a hit and he was maybe after some kinda notoriety the likes of his father gained(that is the one thing that stands out about the guy).

I’m really just attempting to stimulate debate on the thoughts on the motives tbh.

So many open carry vids on you tube.
[video]https://youtu.be/GCKKVmQ7fUY[/video]

[video]https://youtu.be/rzw8jW0aCys[/video]

seosamh77 – Member

Anybody any thoughts on what this guys motive may be? Pretty baffling tbh,

One rumour that keeps popping up on American forums I vist is that he had lost all his money and/or was involved in some kind of legal acrimony with the casino. It seems plausible at least. It would be the ultimate way to damage the Manadalay bay. I wouldn’t be surprised if ssri’s factored in there in some way too.

CaptainFlashheart – Member

I’m in the US again this week.

No one is talking about this. Yes, it’s on the morning news, but it’s not evident in conversations anywhere. Almost as if it didn’t happen.

I can’t quite put my finger on it but it’s very odd to not hear anyone talking about it.

Possibly because it’s such a divisive not to mention emotive issue. It seems that most opinion is either very pro or completely anti gun and civil discussion isn’t likely to sway either side. Probably just deepen their opinions, pretty much like all politics these days.

There seems to be little to no let up in debate online, at least that I’ve noticed.