Jeremy Corbyn

Other side was less crap, ends up in Opposition. Success. Brilliant and awesome leader.

You really want to only deal in black and white?

If you were a football pundit, you’d just go ‘well, they lost, they won – goodnight’ at the end of the match 🙂

And for all your claims to be independent – you might not be party affiliated but you might as well be because you sure as hell are politically aligned to the right.

teamhurtmore – Member

Interesting expectations

One side was crap but ended up with higher share of vote than before and in government. Disaster, total disaster

Other side was less crap, ends up in Opposition. Success. Brilliant and awesome leader.

Probably sums up the difference between those who need to be tied to either bunch. Such an odd concept

LOL you dont have to be Derrida to find where your loyalties lie. Its hidden in the text…

Brilliant and awesome leader.

i think THM must have started on the Xmas sherry!

😆

Sober as a judge thx

Not at all mol. According to the 4×4 matrix I sit slightly to the left of centre on the political axis but comfortably on the libertarian side of the other, more relevant axis. Hence the constant error of those who are limited to one dimensional thinking and a need to label people according to their own limited perspectives. Makes me smile anyway!

Must be so difficult for you at the voting booth thm. 😆

It’s is, but there is always a least worst candidate. Normally choose on local issues.

Normally choose on local issues.

How topical

Hence the constant error of those who are limited to one dimensional thinking and a need to label people according to their own limited perspectives.

This.

Plus between 1997 & 2015 (inclusive) a vast number of people (me included) could cheerfully have voted for any of the three main parties. (Or not voted and been equally happy whoever won.)

Since then the Labour party have walked off the pitch, and the LibDems have been sent off the pitch.

So even people who never had any party affiliation and still don’t can be abused as being evil Tories for the foreseeable future. (Ironically, by people who have cheefully voted for near identical policy for decades!)

Hence the constant error of those who are limited to one dimensional thinking and a need to label people according to their own limited perspectives. Makes me smile anyway!

Not everyone does that you know.

so why so much support for the EU ?

Because membership of the EU, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.

Cos as far as I am concerned neoliberalism is a rotten cancer

so why so much support for the EU ?

Because membership of the EU, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.

Or to put it another way “Because neoliberalism, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.”

Or to put it another way “Because neoliberalism, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.”

Yes, if you were to twist my words so that they completely misrepresent what I said and believe.

Or to put it another way “Because neoliberalism, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.”

Yes, if you were to twist my words so that they completely misrepresent what I said and believe.

I thought you were saying you detest neoliberalism, but you are happy to run the economy on a neoliberal basis so we can stay in a neoliberal trade group because you think that’s better than not doing so. I guess you weren’t. 😀

I thought you were saying you detest neoliberalism, but you are happy to run the economy on a neoliberal basis so we can stay in a neoliberal trade group because you think that’s better than not doing so. I guess you weren’t.

Vanishingly unlikely.

Not everyone does that you know.

Not even when someone tickles you?

@chest I would certainly agree the result was remarkable

As @outofbreath says I too would have and indeed did vote for each of the 3 major parties between 1997 and 2015. As he says Lib Dems now stand for nothi g at all thanks to Clegg and Labour are totally out of the question with Jeremy “safe space for anti-Semites” Corbyn and John “The Marxist” McDonnell. As I said on the EU thread out of principal I will ensure I contribute zero (or as little as humanly possible) to a Corbyn Government by retiring (55 nearly anyway) and / or leaving the country. I will of course keep voting for the next 15 yeats at least (easy to pop back for a while to restart the clock)

As I said on the EU thread out of principal I will ensure I contribute zero (or as little as humanly possible) to a Corbyn Government by retiring (55 nearly anyway) and / or leaving the country.

Don’t let the door slam etc.

out of principal I will ensure I contribute zero (or as little as humanly possible) to a Corbyn Government by retiring

You’re not serious?

You know that your tax money doesn’t go to the people in government personally, don’t you?

I’ve stuck up for you in the past Jam on principle but god damn you are making it hard to do.

Shake off your inverted snobbery and all hail the Mogg

A religious zealot? Awesome choice there.
As for this terrorist supporting. Thought even the rabid right would have given up on that after the maybot got into bed with the DUP.

One of the funniest jamba posts since “150”. 😀

ransos – Member
I thought you were saying you detest neoliberalism, but you are happy to run the economy on a neoliberal basis so we can stay in a neoliberal trade group because you think that’s better than not doing so. I guess you weren’t.
Vanishingly unlikely.

Not very nice, is it?

Edit for double post.

Not very nice, is it?

Having opinions and statements attributed to me that I do not hold and have not expressed?

He questioned a possible contradiction in your loyalties. You called him stupid. One is debate, the other is abuse.

He questioned a possible contradiction in your loyalties. You called him stupid. One is debate, the other is abuse.

No, he chose to misrepresent what I said. If he wanted clarity, he could’ve asked for it, instead of deciding for me what I think. Given his form on this thread, I do not believe that he is acting in good faith, which is why I highlighted “I thought”, because I don’t believe he thinks that for a minute. If you consider that to be abuse, I expect that you spend a lot of time feeling offended.

Though I’m sure he’s relieved that you’re here to stick up for him.

Anyway, if you have a problem with anything I’ve said, you know where the report button is.

I’m sure oob is big enough to look after himself. I read your post as implying that he wasn’t capable of thought. I read his as making the suggestion, via a narrative device, that neoliberalism was a least-worst option, rather than suggesting that you had said that. Isn’t language fun?
Anyway, have a nice Christmas.

I’m sure oob is big enough to look after himself.

Actually no, I’m a bit of a pussy and miles out of my depth in the mean streets of an STW political thread. 😀

I read his as making the suggestion, via a narrative device, that neoliberalism was a least-worst option, rather than suggesting that you had said that.

In a nutshell. Can’t really see how it could be read any other way, but any misreading must have been a genuine mistake because nobody on the internet would ever deliberately miss a point and then use an ad hom to duck it.

Anyway, have a nice Christmas.

Yup. sincere Merry Christmas to all.

Old-ish news now, but more good news for Momentum:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/16/momentum-official-veteran-chair-labour-disciplinary-panel-christine-shawcroft-ann-black

It all seems irreversable to me.

That is good news given how corrupt Ann Black is.

Its the old canards.
momenteum is mainly centre left not hard left. Those opposing momentuem ie Progress are not centerist but are rightwingers within the labour party and well out of step with both its principles and membership. Being anti isreal is not anti semetic

finally securing a majority using democratic votes is not undemocratic

Its the old canards.

Sorry, shouldn’t have linked to the anti-Corbyn Guardian. Here’s the same story in the Mirror. Hopefully a bit fairer and more balanced.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/head-labour-disciplinary-panel-ousted-11861188

given how corrupt Ann Black is.

Linky?

publicly supporting disgraced Tower Hamlets mayor Lutfur Rahman

hmmm

Blackadder star and Labour member Tony Robinson accused supporters of Mr Corbyn of “undermining” Ms Black.

Before the result was announced, he tweeted: “Ann Black’s brilliant- a radical voice for ordinary members on the NEC with an awesome work rate. The idea of the Corbynite left trying to undermine her is outrageous. If true it would confirm what I’ve always feared- our party completely taken over by and for a leftist clique”.

“our party completely taken over by and for a leftist clique”

Hilarious. A clique with 100s of thousands of members who have the temerity to participate in party elections and democratic processes. It’s amazing that the likes of Robinson still haven’t got their heads around the simple idea of a democratic party.

Blackadder star and Labour member Tony Robinson accused supporters of Mr Corbyn of “undermining” Ms Black.

I’m not saying he’s wrong, but I’m really not sure why his opinion is worth reporting. Same goes for all celebs.

he is wrong. this is the rank and file reclaiming their party from a right wing cabal

He is quite active in the party and its the party who likes to hse Celebs during elections

Putting Momentum in charge of the disciplinary process is the definite entryist / cuckoo take over. Anti-Semitism, what anti-semitism. No nothing tonsee here we’ll make sure its all covered up.

he is wrong. this is the rank and file reclaiming their party from a right wing cabal

You mean a centrist cabal that won three elections in a row, and all Corbyn could do was come second to the worst prime minister and tory party this country has seen for a very long time.

This country needs an effective opposition, a counter to brexit, and that opposition has peeled off to the left, they don’t want power because the left only can do one thing: be a protest party.

of copurse you rightwingers would see it like that. simply not true however and if those rightwingers had not spent a year fighting corbyn and supporting the tories in Scotland we would not have a tory government now. Its the right wing that are the destroyers here.

You mean a centrist cabal that won three elections in a row

The last time being thirteen years ago. You seem to have forgotten that the centrists have lost twice since then.

and all Corbyn could do was come second to the worst prime minister and tory party this country has seen for a very long time.

The tories called the election because they believed it would destroy Corbyn and the Labour party. Instead, they are now neck-and-neck, with the Tories forced to bribe religious fundamentalists so they can cling on to power.

Its the right wing that are the destroyers here.

Whereas Comrade Corbyn would rebuild the economy in a Venezuelan stylee.