Jeremy Corbyn

So… tell us all how Corbyn has proven to be an effective Leader Of The Opposition, that the voters now see as the next PM… because if he hasn’t, and he isn’t, then what’s the point of him staying in his role as party leader? Just to ensure the party stays pure in the hope of getting the chance to rebuild after the mess of leaving the EU? Why did he stay in place after 2017? To complete a project that is confined to the party, or to genuinely prepare it to become the government at the next election? Or, as now increasingly seems the case to me, to make sure someone else doesn’t take the role who isn’t listening to the anti-Europe “Straight Left” ideologues and might propose stopping Brexit and forming a Labour government while we’re still members of the EU.

Or, as now increasingly seems the case to me, to make sure someone else doesn’t take the role who isn’t listening to the anti-Europe “Straight Left” ideologues

Maybe if the "moderates" hadnt dedicated themselves so much to attacking him he might feel more willing to listen.
It is a mess and he deserves a reasonable share of the blame but the moderates really need to think about their approach. They have been doing their best to undermine him since the beginning. Perhaps rather than the normal frothing hate try to compromise themselves and give alternate views. I am not surprised the Labour leadership does tend towards a bunker mentality with the centrist idiots attacks.

...and is sufficiently entrenched now only a new leader can improve things.

It's not about lefty veruss centrist, it competent versus incompetent.

Maybe if the “moderates” hadnt dedicated themselves so much to attacking him he might feel more willing to listen.

Is a “moderate” anyone that questions Corbyn’s suitability and ability to be Leader? Because if so, that goes around in circles.

I am not surprised the Labour leadership does tend towards a bunker mentality with the centrist idiots attacks.

What about when intelligent people from the left are questioning his approach? Or are we still pretending that anyone questioning the leader and his team are all Tories and Centrists?

Or are we still pretending that anyone questioning the leader and his team are all Tories and Centrists?

When we have no other answer, yes, yes we are.

Is a “moderate” anyone that questions Corbyn’s suitability and ability to be Leader?

Maybe if the “moderates” hadnt dedicated themselves so much to attacking him he might feel more willing to listen.

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Diddums...

He should MTFU & deal with it - if he can’t then he’s not fit to lead...

Oh, hang on - he’s not!

#LeaveJeremyAlone

https://twitter.com/Sara_Rose_G/status/1156916490958004229?s=19

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Diddums…

Congratulations on proving the point being made here.

CFH, that was gold. Thank you for cheering me up.

it's not his politics. He's simply not up to the job.

Willard, there's more in the thread.

"What do you mean he's not available on a Saturday?"

Brexit is the biggest right wing project this country has ever seen It has the backing of every right wing pundit, journalist & freemarketeer think tank going

It has become THE rallying cry of the far right and the sole purpose of the Tories, who have been cowed utterly by Farage

Corbyn should be trying to oppose it with every fibre of his being

Brexit is the biggest right wing project this country has ever seen It has the backing of every right wing pundit, journalist & freemarketeer think tank going

Brexit is the biggest right wing project this country has ever seen

so why do so many on the left support it ?

The EU is neo-liberal, why would the lefties support it?

What about when intelligent people from the left are questioning his approach? Or are we still pretending that anyone questioning the leader and his team are all Tories and Centrists?

apparently there are red tories, yellow tories, orange tories, green tories, anyone who doesn't agree with JC tories. Looks like othering and conspiracy theory rubbish just look at the Canary annoucement on their job cuts

Brexit is the biggest right wing project this country has ever seen It has the backing of every right wing pundit, journalist & freemarketeer think tank going

It has become THE rallying cry of the far right and the sole purpose of the Tories, who have been cowed utterly by Farage

Corbyn should be trying to oppose it with every fibre of his being

revisionist tripe, Corbyn and the labour left have always backed leave, campaigned for it, had manifesto's with it in and stood with it as a central policy. Corbyn hasn't changed

A moderate is someone who isn’t an extremest. Also see centrist.

Incorrect.

There are Centrists who are equally extreme as those on the left/right and won't countenance any opinions outside of their rather narrow neo-Liberal viewpoint. Blairites, for instance, were/are as cult-like as any other group faced with that accusation within politics.

Since Corbyn was initially elected leader of Labour the so-called moderates/centrists have spent more time and energy attacking their own party leadership than they've spent going after the Tories. This was most obvious when Umunna, Leslie, Gapes, Berger etc flounced off to form their own political entity/party, having spent so much time obsessed with bringing down Corbyn that they lost the backing of their CLPs.

You can’t just wish it wasn’t happening, because the implications of it are so enormous,

And that’s exactly what this new remain fundamentalist movement is doing. The solution to brexit is, and always was a deal of some form, whether that is May’s, Corbyn’s or some other deal.

You and others won’t be happy though until Labour offer to revoke A50. Trouble is if they do that they willl commit electoral suicide and the Tories get a free run at a no deal brexit.

The best/only chance to stop brexit is a labour or labour led govt holding a confirmatory referendum on whatever deal they can agree with the E.U. You should take it, because the alternative of hoping for a libdem govt (and you guys accuse others of seeking unicorns!) will result in Johnson doing all the things you fear most.

Whatever. Would you say things are going well?

will result in Johnson doing all the things you fear most.

You mean... exactly whats happening now?

Crashing us out with no deal?

While the labour party sits idly by with its thumb up its arse?

^ I think Binners managed a whole page before reverting to his silly pictures and abuse. That must be some kind of record.

The EU is neo-liberal, why would the lefties support it?

For me it's because I can't see any real prospect of leaving the EU delivering improvements in the things I care about.

Afternoon comrade

Any requests for the next picture?

I was thinking something like this as metaphor for present Corbyn reaction to the Torys clearly gearing up for an imminent election

Afternoon comrade

Any requests for the next picture?

Unfortunately the Binnersbot seems to be incapable of learning. Perhaps there's lead in its crayons.

While the labour party sits idly by with its thumb up its arse?

So we're back to the age old question which no one has ever answered, what would you have labour do? It's all very well shouting 'do something' from the sidelines, but the fact of the matter is that Corbyn and the labour party in general don't have a magic 'stop brexit' button, and this fact gives you a convenient scapegoat. So by all means blame Corbyn, but the problem will still not be solved.

Or prefereably you could answer the question. How does labour stop brexit? If it's that simple I'm sure we'd all like to know.

Or preferably you could answer the question. How does labour stop Brexit? If it’s that simple I’m sure we’d all like to know.

They can't stop Brexit now. Its too late. I'm resigned to the fact that we're probably on for the very worst No Deal scenario, where the far right of the Tory party will use the resulting chaos to push through god only knows what

But this was inevitable since Corbyn took what I firmly believe to be the most profoundly stupid, nonsensical and self-destructive decision any leader of the opposition, and possibly any politician has ever taken....

He 3 line whipped his own MPs to trigger article 50. In doing so he not only set the clock ticking on the imminent catastrophe, he also handed ALL authority over to a Tory party in the grip of the lunatics of the ERG.

Remember that when he did this, all the information we had been given about what kind of Brexit was to be pursued were three words, repeated ad nauseum.. Brexit Means Brexit

What kind of a clueless clown would take that as enough to commit our countries future too?

He then compounded this abject stupidity with yet more...

He then 2 line whipped his own MPs to reject remaining in the single market and the customs union. In doing so he ensured that ay Brexit would be the hardest imaginable. Th ERG must have thought all their birthdays and christmases had come at once

Talk about a useful idiot? He's played an absolute blinder for the far right.

So what I'd like him to do now is face the reality that Dominic Cummings is lining up an election imminently. And that means that unless the labour party pulls its finger out and sorts its shit out, and fast. then we'll all be staring down the barrel of not only the hardest imaginable Brexit, but 5 years of Boris Johnson

Fancy that? Because I bloody don't!

so why do so many on the left support it ?

because they were conned a decade of crushing austerity resulted in a backlash

when the hard right likes of Farage & Hannan were telling us that we could be like Norway, it was easy to project that scandanavian socialist ideal onto a future brexit britain

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1112848342890041344

the tories do what they did best, they lied

https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1158720819364806659

if the left had been listening to what the brexiteers actually had planned for our future maybe theyd have seen through this

https://twitter.com/Daniel01572966/status/1114831886264750080

funnily enough a no deal is where we are heading now

And what Corbyn should do is resign.

I can think of one other recent labour leader who resigned when it became apparent to him that he was likely to be more of a problem than a help to the party by staying in office. And he'd not even lost a general election.

So we’re back to the age old effing question to which no one has ever answered I've never liked the answer I get repeatedly, what would you have labour do?

FIFY.

Now? Nothing. Too late. Actually, scrap that. They should come out for no deal.

because they were conned a decade of crushing austerity resulted in a backlash

when the hard right likes of Farage & Hannan were telling us that we could be like Norway, it was easy to project that scandanavian socialist ideal onto a future brexit britain

Not really - more that they saw what happened when Greece wanted to chart a better path but came up against the EU. All economists agreed that the Greek debt was unmanageable and the EU's "solution" just made matters worse, but the axis of Schauble and Dijsselblom - cheered on by water-company investor Verhofstadt - insisted on imposing their will.

Really?

greek debt was the burning issue in Leave voters minds

could you actually say that with a straight face?

(even if as bad as the way they were treated was,
it was agreed with the EU & the US based IMF
-but as I understand it the german banks were the ones who lent too much,
even if the greek government were the ones hiding their debts,

and did include $100bn debt write off was that the biggest haircut ever?)

edit & lets not pretend it can all be blamed on the EU, as well as the government hiding billions of debt, my (greek) ex had 1000s of euros in her bank account because her father ran a garage but didnt want to pay tax, when I asked her about it, she said she hated it, but its just what people do in greece.

Greece, blah, blah… they had all the national solutions of their own ready to go… but the pesky EU tried to stop them… and so they left the EU and are now a powerhouse in Europe, taking full advantage of their position outside the Single Market and Customs Union… look at how their exports to the rest of the world rise… look how the interest on their debts dropped… wow… we should try that.

Now, back to what should Labour do? Change leader.

He 3 line whipped his own MPs to trigger article 50. In doing so he not only set the clock ticking on the imminent catastrophe, he also handed ALL authority over to a Tory party in the grip of the lunatics of the ERG.

Another question, if Corbyn had allowed a free vote would it have been defeated? At the point of activating A50, as at every other point, labour had no power to stop brexit unless quite a few tories supported them. The only tory to vote against A50 was Ken Clarke, and your remain hero Anna Soubry voted for it.

You're blaming the wrong person/people. Irrespective of his own views, Corbyn had no power to stop brexit. He is however offering you a chance to stop brexit via a second referendum. I can't for the life of me understand why remainers aren't biting his hand off and are instead pinning their hopes on the miniscule chance that the lib dems might miraculously form the next government.

The only people who are to blame for brexit are the tories. If everyone remembered that it might help stop it. Instead though you want to shift the blame onto the only people who can stop them, and so ensure that it happens in the worst form possible under Johnson. Madness!

Fancy that? Because I bloody don’t!

Nope. Which is why I will be voting labour in Calderdale as it's a very close lab-tory marginal. I'd love to vote green, as they're much closer to the radical anti-neoliberal policies which I think we need in the long term to fix both climate change and inequality. Sadly though our system and the electorial arithmetic force me to vote for labour. Anything else is just pointless virtue signalling.

He is however offering you a chance to stop brexit via a second referendum

Only a damaging Tory Brexit, not a wonderful Labour Brexit.

...and frankly the policy (however confused) is the side issue here. the main issue is a leader who has no interest in leading.

The only people who are to blame for brexit are the tories.

And Labour. And their lifelong eurosceptic leader. And the Straight Left anti-Europe team around him.

Sadly though our system and the electorial arithmetic force me to vote for labour.

What if the LibDems, and others, stood aside to allow the Greens a run at the Calderdale seat? Would you vote Green then? Feeling you have to vote Labour, rather than want to, is strong in many places… perhaps it is part of our problem, rather than something to stick with.

Now, back to what should Labour do? Change leader.

And I presume when they have a new leader they simply press the magic button at labour HQ which says 'Stop Brexit. Do not press!'. I also presume that when they've successfully removed Corbyn the huge proportion of the membership who supported him will simply fall back into line under Watson instead of unleashing a civil war that will finally tear the party apart? How then do they win power and stop brexit?

The only people who are to blame for brexit are the tories.

And Labour.

How?

Okay, keep Corbyn as leader, if that is required to stop “Civil War” in the Party… If he is needed to solve internal politics, then keep him, and let others get on with forming an alternative to the Conservative Brexit party… but that’s a high risk approach for all of us.

And Labour. And their lifelong eurosceptic leader. And the Straight Left anti-Europe team around him

Too much conflation.

The public voted for Brexit and the Tories enabled it.

Either way, if we'd not all joined in on the path of Neoliberalism by voting for such we wouldn't be here now.

Blame ourselves.

Do “the public” only listen to the Tories now? Is Labour’s voice really now that irrelevant? I’d like to think not… yet.

I love how Jess Phillips is highlighting not voting for her own party in a potential vonc in the Government.

Idiots. Stupid centrist idiots.

Do “the public” only listen to the Tories now? Is Labour’s voice really now that irrelevant? I’d like to think not… yet

Well they're still in power.

With a majority of… how many?

Few opposition leaders have the power in Parliament that Corbyn has had available to him.

And, when not in power, politicians need to be showing people why they should be in power… Corbyn is failing at that, and worse, his team have sought to neuter too many people in the party who have tried to do just that. He has cobbled the electoral chances for the party. Him and his Straight Left team of Milne, Murray & Co. They are ruining the party, ignoring members, and failing those that need them. Where is the leadership? It all feels like a “wait and see” strategy… and many who were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt on that in 2017 are not prepared to in 2019. Too much waiting…