If there was ever a reason to curb online gambling, it’s this…

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  • If there was ever a reason to curb online gambling, it’s this…
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46289499

    One person – £265m salary.

    And how much are the other directors on?

    The bookie always wins, and thousands of people and their families are suffering because of them.

    Why are we allowing this type of gambling to go unchecked? Baffles me.

    rene59
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    Just finished reading that myself. Makes me sick.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    Why are we allowing this type of gambling to go unchecked?

    They are are making donations to the right people.

    Premier Icon stumpyjon
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    Agreed, gambling and especially online gambling needs seriously curbing. There’s no justification for it.

    Premier Icon bikebouy
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    I am totally against online betting in any shape or form whatsoever, if you want to make a bet then walk into a betting shop and do it there.

    Right..

    Thats out of the way.

    Now then, she’s a smart and very intuitive Woman who in this world ought to be celebrated for her insight and achievements.

    Clearly statistically talented, spotted a marketplace for a product and way back when the internet was a reference base had the foresight to spot potential use other than reading books.

    The charities she supports (including Stoke Football club, who by the look of it are indeed a charity) are commendable, obviously I’m going to point out a mere portion of her income goes into charity and I will stick my neck out and say it’s a Tax break of some sort.

    Can’t deny the talent though.

    Got to give her that.

    The salary is nothing to do with me, it’s her company so she’s entitled to pay herself what the heck she likes. But on the face of it it’s “excessive” when the funds come off the back of other people’s missery and often desperation.

    tails
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    I read this and my mouth hit the floor, especially as things are tight for me at the moment and I stupidly buy a scratchcard or lotto ticket praying for the impossible. I’ve never used a bookmaker though.

    In her defence what should she do when her business is so successful, she could double her staffs wages and pay the cleaner £20 an hour but would that effect the local economy negatively? She could leave it in the company? Donate it to charity, but this often gets eaten up by their staff. She could offer her customers better odds.

    I think part of the problem is she can’t do anything with the money, if she lets up her competitors will happily take the money. A lot of these super rich the money is a product of the thing they enjoy which is work.

    I do agree that each town should have one book maker only with no online as said above it causes misery.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    Locating your offices in Gibraltar helps free up money that might not otherwise be available to pay salaries too…

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    Donate it to charity, but this often gets eaten up by their staff.

    Its rare that we get upset about how much people who’s work or products might result in ill health or bad habits get paid. People aren’t repulsed by the idea of people who market junk food, or porn or tobacco or alcohol or gambling get rich in the process.

    Why is it distasteful for people who deliver charitable services to get paid?

    Premier Icon BoardinBob
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    Every penny she’s paying herself has come from someone’s misery.the winners aren’t paying her salary, the losers are. And clearly there are a lot of them. Grim.

    wrightyson
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    I was in the casino on Friday night last off, a year since I was last there and posted on here about tbat visit. Theres some desperate **** in there waiting for a break. I got lucky, I was out for 8 hours and came home 3 quid up. It would be so easy to be 300 quid down in 30 mins!

    Gambling is so easily accessible these days.

    tails
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    Why is it distasteful for people who deliver charitable services to get paid?

    Im not really saying it is, but different business generate different feelings. In general I think people donate so they can help people/animals in need not for 6 figure CEO salary. Where when you gamble you are just hope my to win some money.

    What do you think the owners of Bet365 should do with the huge profits the company makes through their hard work?

    Another example what should Bill Gates have done when his company was generating vast vast sums of money? I don’t have an answer perhaps you lot do.

    tails
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    That’s the problem I have with it Wrightyson, we could all probably empty our accounts this evening online. It needs to be taken back to a high street based service.

    zanelad
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    Every penny she’s paying herself has come from someone’s <span class=”skimlinks-unlinked”>misery.</span>

    What utter shite. Not everyone who enjoys a flutter is miserable or spending what they can’t afford to lose.

    rene59
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    Gambling is so easily accessible these days.

    It was only in the news as well about how the number of children addicted to gambling has rocketed the past few years. Bigger problem than smoking, drinking and drugs etc. something needs to be done to tackle the sheer scale of it.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    What do you think the owners of Bet365 should do with the huge profits the company makes through their hard work?

    Give a lot of it to gambling addiction charities, or families of folk who have lost loved ones to gambling addiction.

    Gates didn’t profit from his products bankrupting his customers

    What utter shite. Not everyone who enjoys a flutter is miserable or spending what they can’t afford to lose.

    Are you happy or sad when you lose a bet?

    Premier Icon convert
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    What do you think the owners of Bet365 should do with the huge profits the company makes through their hard work?

    Maybe tweak their odds so that it’s less favoured to the company? Anyone any idea what profit they make on every pound bet?

    Actually scratch that – make the odds ever suckier and try to persuade people to stop doing it. I have never seen the attraction.

    mdavids
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    I’m an online gambling winner! Well actually it wasn’t gambling, I did matched betting using all the free bet opening offers, bet365 used to be one of the more lucrative ones so I did it several times using different names. Probably made about £1500 over a few weeks and felt good to take them for some free money.

    It’s easy to see how people get sucked in, the sites are well set up and very easy to use, fortunately I’m incredibly tight and hate losing money so gambling would never be for me.

    Argh, not the “charities shouldn’t spend money on staff” dickheads again!

    Premier Icon theotherjonv
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    I get the dislike of gambling and the companies that facilitate the removal of large amounts of money from vulnerable people. However

    Are you happy or sad when you lose a bet?

    As long as it’s money I can afford to lose, I’m neither. The extra excitement I get from watching an event when I have a stake in it is the value of the bet. Winning the bet is a bonus.

    I get more pissed off paying money to watch my team play, only for them to be shit and lose. Even if I do get the ‘entertainment’ of the game

    poly
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    Why are we allowing this type of gambling to go unchecked? Baffles me.

    On the internet its fairly difficult to restrict activities – if you “ban it” in the UK people will go overseas. There is some logic to permitting it, allowing it with some regulation in your back yard and benefiting from the tax.   Of course I am sure the industry is also a significant lobby and holds strong political influence too (not necessarily just with the current occupiers of number 10).  I certainly wouldn’t assume that the betting shop on your local street is not inflicting at least as much misery.

    Ignoring the morals of betting for a moment, if you owned a family business which employed 4000 people, turned over billions, and was making very healthy profits – what earnings would you take out of the business?

    Premier Icon timidwheeler
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    I think the gambling industry could be better regulated and that it should be unbelievably hard for children to gamble.

    However, we need to be realistic and I’m sure it is healthier for society if UK gambling is kept in the UK, rather than people bypassing UK law and punters placing large bets in places like Nigeria .

    It was unfair of the BBC to compare her earnings to bosses of shareholder owned companies.  Her wages are that of both a very competent CE who has basically created the business and that of a large shareholder/investor who has invested money and grown the business from a very small base.

    In her shoes, if you had achieved what she had, what would you do?

    bukobuko
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    Gets CBE for helping communities with problems the gambling companies created and I bet she never paid a penny.

    rene59
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    In her shoes, if you had achieved what she had, what would you do?

    Kill myself in shame.

    Premier Icon lowey
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    Trading in human misery. No better than a drug dealer.

    Dont know how she sleeps at night (although I suspect very comfortably).

    cchris2lou
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    Worked for ladbrokes for a few years, and it is all about making people gamble more. The amount of money floating about is mental.

    Premier Icon boxelder
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    I cannot understand how people who make money from it sleep at night. Families ruined, young men killing themselves and absolutely no positive community outcome. But £265M. Sickening and akin to drug dealing.

    Premier Icon BoardinBob
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    What utter shite. Not everyone who enjoys a flutter is miserable or spending what they can’t afford to lose.

    If you enjoy losing money, you need help. No one regardless of whether they can afford to or not, should actually enjoy losing money. You’re either lying to yourself or need psychological help

    philjunior
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    I’m honestly not sure what I think about gambling. I don’t see online as massively different ethically to high street, everyone I know who gambles loses, but they can’t see/accept it. The only people I know that enjoy a little flutter stick to the lottery or the odd day at the races. It deeply saddens me that you can fairly accurately predict how deprived an area is from the number of betting shops on the high street. The deregulation of the industry is an utterly shameful mockery of our democracy. At least it’s now getting some media attention.

    Personally I would far rather see betting restricted to peer to peer, avoiding the profiteering and at least meaning that there was no house to always win. It wouldn’t halt the problem but it would restrict the ethical issues, and perhaps make it a touch more difficult, particularly in relation to fixed odds betting terminals and online gambling.

    johndoh
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    If you enjoy losing money, you need help. No one regardless of whether they can afford to or not, should actually enjoy losing money. You’re either lying to yourself or need psychological help

    I don’t think you understand the concept of gambling. Of course people do not enjoy losing money, however people *do* enjoy the excitement of gambling. Personally I have rarely used online betting services other than a very occasional bet on the horses (I’d rather do it online than go into a bookmakers’ shop). And when I say ‘occasional’ I mean like about once every two or three years on the Grand National or the Gold Cup.

    However, I do enjoying going to the races as it is a social event (even then I only go once a year with free ‘family’ tickets at York because my mother and father in law are season ticket holders). The excitement of potentially winning a few quid (I rarely bet more than £2 per race) is amazing, but if I go home having lost a few quid and spent a few quid on a couple of beers I am quite happy with the cost versus value of the day.

    bazzer
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    Obviously the other option would be for people to take responsibility for their own actions and stop wasting money they don’t have.

    If they have the money and wan’t to spend it on gambling, why should they not be allowed to do it?

    Though they should be less stupid and not do it on fixed odds betting machines and maybe try something that might actually be really a game of chance.

    hooli
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    I say good luck to her, she created a very, very successful business and deserves whatever money she earns. Nobody complains about the amount of money Apple, Dyson or any other company make. They also see no issue with what footballers earn.

    She provides a service that people can use or not use, nobody stands in your living room with a gun to your head.

    Yes people get addicted but there are plenty who are not addicted and enjoy putting a few quid on the football, races or whatever.

    By that reasoning we should ban pubs because of alcoholics and restaurants because of obesity.

    Premier Icon binners
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    You say that online gambling is trading on misery but I won 15 quid last week on betting that Esther McVey would resign. Thats a proper win/win 😀

    I cannot understand how people who make money from it sleep at night. Families ruined, young men killing themselves and absolutely no positive community outcome.

    Many game apps are designed to encourage spending. People get addicted to these the same way they do with gambling and end up spending all their money there too.

    Humans are far weaker willed and more easily lead than we might like to pretend. Put some flashing lights and a big red button and we all flock across

    bazzer
    Member

    Addiction is that a way of making it sound like people are not just stupid and selfish and they somehow have something wrong with them?

    Why is everything someone else’s fault these days? Instead of saying poor you you are addicted to gambling, we should be saying stop being a nobber, stop being selfish and take some responsibility.

    By that reasoning we should ban pubs because of alcoholics and restaurants because of obesity.

    This. We don’t ban alcohol because a small percentage of drinkers become addicts.

    Gambling is not a normal business. Leaving legality aside drug dealers have equivalent or better moral justification.

    What do the “its the responsibility of the gambler” types feel about this from the Grauniad?

    Still relaxed about it?

    johndoh
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    By that reasoning we should ban pubs because of alcoholics and restaurants because of obesity.

    This. We don’t ban alcohol because a small percentage of drinkers become addicts.

    But online gambling opens up so many more opportunities for gamblers to lose their money. An alcoholic or obese person can’t get their fix via the internet (at least not directly).

    Bimbler
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    Just imagine the tax she pays on that lot.  Pays for a lot of stuff?

    While I think FOBTs should be heavily regulated and gambling TV adverts banned there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the business of gambling if well regulated.

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