a nice easy 1, 2, 3 to remember and live by

shame my life is more

1.Sit 2.Click 3.Spout

The thread’s back.

Yes I have read the 4 hour body and use quite a bit of it although the iDave plan is more or less what I stick to.

I have considered the last mile thing but it is not really compatible with family or work life although I may give it a shot next spring if I haven’t shifted these last kg.

Days off seem to include eating bread and cheese at lunch, cakes at some point during the day and a pig out meal in the evening with desert and probably some chocolate spread during the day. This week I had an ibreakfast and started pigging at lunch which helped somewhat although I was up 1.8kg on sunday morning (it has been nearly 3kg in the past)

iDave – I’d love some tips, but can’t really afford a full on coaching thing at the moment and i think it would be more beneficial in the spring, but let me know if you have something appropriate…

Maybe I just have to stick at this and see what happens over the next few months. I feel good and I don’t need to be ready for proper racing again until April 🙂

Thanks dd.

I like that version, it’s pretty much my approach. I’m dead buff by coincidence of riding shitloads really hard, not because I’m aiming to have a body like that. Although I am dead buff.

And for the record, I want to get rid of the fat to go faster, not for the sake of vanity.

I want to start winning bike races (ok it’s only Cat4 equivalent but I want to win something!) and I have limited training time, that means riding hard and getting rid of unnecessary fat as far as I can see.

This season was pretty good, next season is going to be awesome!

Ok so I have a question. Some people (me included) don’t report any weight gain on the morning after treat day, and some report like 2-3kg. Why would that be?

I don’t do the day off thing anymore.
These are an echo from a previous life, for me.
I really do not miss the stuff I use to think I liked, stuff my body would turn into lard.
If you really can’t do without your junk food kick.
Then try increasing the interval between them.
Perhaps a day off every fortnight ?.

iDiet was a good start, and as far as I’m concerned, it gets your head in the right place to begin with.
Kinda like a way-point one should pass along the journey

Plants and animals.
Cut out processed stuff as far as possible, not as far as is easy

I’m losing around 0.5 to 1 Kg per week at the moment.
I’m kinda now starting to wonder what to do when I reach a good weight.
I don’t want to go on losing weight.
Last Friday I dipped in below the 80Kg, including the cast I was wearing.
😉

Ok so I have a question. Some people (me included) don’t report any weight gain on the morning after treat day, and some report like 2-3kg. Why would that be?

MG.
Firstly, I only weigh myself once a week.

Secondly, the weight use to come back over a few days, not all by the next morning.

Hey Solo, hope you’re on the mend.

IME you don’t keep losing weight on this kind of ‘XYZ’ diet, you stay around 10-12%

How on earth does someone gain 2-3 kg in just one day??

Do you eat bricks?

Solo – how’s the recovery coming along? Are you managing to do any exercise?

I don’t do the day off thing anymore

The day off is part of it though, just as important as everything else. It helps to stop your metabolism reaching stasis I think. Although you are still losing so that’s ok, but if you plateau you might need to do some days off.

Yeti – water retention somehow. Perhaps their gut fills wiht carbs and water I dunno.

I am fairly sure that the weight is water retained as most of it goes again in 48 hours.
I don’t eat masses of junk as nearly all of the food is home made (except the chocolate)

It seems odd, but the day off has become something for the rest of the family as much as it is for me. I make the kids pancakes for breakfast, then we make dinner together in the evening (pizza or whatever). Otherwise we are eating with friends or some such thing where you just eat what is put in front of you. This week is my sons birthday so I am sure there’ll be a weird meal and cake involved.
I’ll try to drop the day off for a while, but I have read in numerous places that it is important to at least have a meal off each week to help weight loss.

Oddjob – yes Saturday is family treat day, often involving the Krispy Kreme doughnut shop in town 🙂

Mrs Grips is idieting through the week though and Lil Grips seems more than happy eating just meat and veg.

I’ve added desserts to my daily diet the last couple of weeks and have dropped a couple of lbs. Despite no real exercise.

Is there something in custard that aids weight loss?

(serious question)

iDave.

Hi 😀
Yes, I wanted the cast taking off after 10 days, but had to wait for an appointment, so in total, had the cast on for 17 days.
Ulna is back together already and in general the wrist feels very good.
Still some ligament / soft tissue healing to go, but I’m thinking moderate use is the best way to sort that.
So while after having the cast removed, I was given two splints, I only used them Sat and Sun.
Into work this week the wrist is unbound and free.
I have to admit to being very pleased with the speed of my recovery so far, from what looked in the x-ray as some nasty stuff.
I’ve even been a bit cheeky and have been out on the bike, after fearing I would be off two wheels for the remainder of this year.
I guess I’ve had a bit of luck with respect to my recovery.
Might be something to do with diet as far not starting out with residual levels of inflamation and stimulation of my imune system from poor diet, etc.
Maybe ?.

Anyway, its all alot better than I was initially led to believe.
even the staff at the hopsital had slightly disbeleiving / cautious looks on their faces as I left the plaster room, a castless person.
The specialist even did a double check before letting me go.
😀

Happy days.
I took riding a bike for granted, until the crash.

Good to hear that you mended well.

I am happy to be rid of grains and eat beans instead, but I don’t really understand why beans are better than grains.

I’ll just carry on and be happy that they are though

oddjob – grains are fast-release carbs, beans are slow release.

Yeti – I reached my lowest sustainable weight in Germany whilst eating two or three twixes a day…

but I don’t really understand why beans are better than grains.

This is only perhaps true in the iDiet context, but in the grander scheme of things.
Well, I have mostly ditched the beans now, put it that way.
Although I do eat hummus.
BUT, if you’re happy to stick with them, thats fine.
😉

As iDave has posted a buzzillion times, it all starts with insulin response.
Be aware of this when making your dietary choices and the rest will eventually fall into place, ime, with a bit of reading also.
🙂

Molly – was that as your post workout carbs? Or just because they’re tasty?

I made some roasted pepper, chilli and garlic humus at the weekend and it is/was yummy

I get the insulin thing. It looks like the beans are better than grains, but still cause some insulin release.

It was all brought home to me this week to find out that the reason my step brother has lost about 20kg in the last few months without trying is that he has type 1 diabetes. Unfortunately for him.

Er well I think I was not getting enough carbs in general at that time cos of the 18 mile commute.. so they were perhaps helping me ride harder. But they were throughout the day, after meat/veg meals too. If your muscle glycogen stores are depleted then insulin is actually a good thing cos it causes your muscles to replenish themselves.

Most food causes some insulin release, you just want to minimise it. However.. I did read on one forum that baked beans particularly were bad because of how long they are cooked causing the proteins to break down or something. So that now makes me wonder about doing other beans in the slow cooker…

Where do you and Solo get all this insulin wisdom?

Google not work for you?

http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm
http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
http://tinyurl.com/6fa5e7m

EDIT but beware, this way confusion lies, because the insulin indices in these articles do somewhat conflict with the iDiet.. but I think the criteria for iDiet foods is somewhat different. For example, the lowest insulin score is peanuts, but I can testify that if you fill your face with peanuts you will not lose weight because of the overall calorie content which is still important although less so.

I thought I’d let you look clever 🙂

Not sure how much further iDiet can take me, just generally interested.
Have been reading a bit about nutrition for triathalons and I might not be eating enough for the exercise I’ve been doing.

Well then just try eating a bit more, and see if your training gets better?

Not sure how much further iDiet can take me, just generally interested.

TSY, not that you need me to tell you this, but you are a special case, so regular weight control via diet and exercise will, I would have thought, be of limited use to you.

You seem to exercise so much that you could probably mitigate consuming nearly anything you wished to eat.

However, I have come to realize that there is soooo much more to creating your dietary choice template, than simply watching your weight and having enough energy to go play at whatever sport flicks your switch.

🙂

Most food causes some insulin release, you just want to minimise it.

You don’t, you really don’t !!

What you want to do is regulate your insulin release and smooth out the “peaks and troughs”, not minimise it.
No insulin = no muscle/liver glycogen = no endurance.

As for beans vs grains, some beans cooked some ways will have a higher GI than some grains cooked some ways.
I mean c’mon, all this faffing around with gram flour – do you honestly think a finely ground, pan fried gramcake is really that better than a whole grain oat and rye bread with some linseeds/pumpkin seeds ?
Do you really think a big pile of parsnip and sweet potato mash is better than a slow baked jacket potato ?
Do you really think that cutting out fruit all together is really a good idea for a long term eating plan ?
Is a bowl of wholegrain oat cereal and some yoghurt a worse breakfast than fried chorizo and eggs ?
Has anyone explained why red wine is ‘OK’ but other alcohol isn’t ?
Is a weekly binge eat on your ‘day off’ a healthy routine ?

More questions than answers really…….

HD.

Yes, I’m not aiming to prevent insulin release, even if that were possible.

I mean c’mon, all this faffing around with gram flour – do you honestly think a finely ground, pan fried gramcake is really that better than a whole grain oat and rye bread with some linseeds/pumpkin seeds
Where would you like me to start ?.
With the storage of grain on the farm ?
Dude, if I had to eat bread, it would be white bread.
Anyway, right back at you 🙂 why are you eating bread ?.
Your body didn’t evolve its marvelously complex digestive system in order to get the most out of bread.
Answers along the line of “cos it tastes nice” will be socred as FAIL.
😉

Do you really think that cutting out fruit all together is really a good idea for a long term eating plan ?
Go tell it to the Eskimos.
🙂

Is a bowl of wholegrain oat cereal and some yoghurt a worse breakfast than fried chorizo and eggs ?
Oh yeah !.

Has anyone explained why red wine is ‘OK’ but other alcohol isn’t ?
I view it as red wine being the least worst of the bunch.

Is a weekly binge eat on your ‘day off’ a healthy routine ?
Please define “Healthy“

I think the day off thing is more a pyshological support than an essential part of things. Imo.

🙂

Can I haz question now ?

Are we, today, evolved to live as humans did during the last 2 million years ?.

Or are we evolved to eat farm products, baring in mind agriculture has only been around for a few seconds on the evolutionary time scale ?…

(I draw a distinction between stuff produced on a farm and just up-scaling the production of stuff that was/is available in the wild)

cutting fruit from six days out of seven is not cutting it out all together
besides
fruit is packed with sugar (bad news for a weight loss diet) and contains no more vitamin benefit than a seven seas multivitamin.

Or are we evolved to eat farm products, baring in mind agriculture has only been around for a few seconds on the evolutionary time scale ?…

I think giving an evolution argument can be a tricky path to follow, as the follow on question is invariably along the lines of – “Are we evolved to eat cooked foods then?”, which opens another can of worms (fried or fresh).

Solo – Member
Anyway, right back at you why are you eating bread ?.

Good source of fibre, B vitamins and carbohydrates and tasty with it 🙂

Your body didn’t evolve its marvelously complex digestive system in order to get the most out of bread

No. but salivery amylase sure does a good job pre-digesting bread 😉

Is a bowl of wholegrain oat cereal and some yoghurt a worse breakfast than fried chorizo and eggs ?
Oh yeah !.

Hmmmm, high saturated fat content foods cooked by frying, better than wholegrain cereal/seeds and fermented diary products, not on my planet ‘dude’

I view it as red wine being the least worst of the bunch.

why ?? because it’s iDaves tipple of choice 😆

If Dr Roberts is right then whilst we didn’t evolve to eat cooked food, learning to cook was a catalyst in our evolution.

People have been eating grains for millenia… obesity hasn’t always been an issue though.

soobalias – Member
fruit is packed with sugar (bad news for a weight loss diet) and contains no more vitamin benefit than a seven seas multivitamin.

Fruit sugars in combination with the soluble fibre content of the fruit act differently to a spoon of table sugar

As for multivits 🙄

why ?? because it’s iDaves tipple of choice

Don’t the doctors say that a glass of red a day is actually good for you?
Mind you I guess that depends on the day and like everything there is a question of moderation too.
While you can get fibre vitamin B1 and carbohydrates from bread, you can also get them from lentils. Which one is best? I know which one I choose and why.

I think giving an evolution argument can be a tricky path to follow, as the follow on question is invariably along the lines of – “Are we evolved to eat cooked foods then?”, which opens another can of worms (fried or fresh).

Fair point, we’re each allowed our opinions.
🙂

I happen to believe that humans have evolved to make good use of some cooked foods.

don simon – Member

Which one is best? I know which one I choose and why.

That’s the fundamental difference I think.
I don’t subscribe to the “good food/bad food” way of thinking, far too simplistic, (IMO) any unprocessed food stuff can be incorporated into a sustainably healthy diet, if you want to eat by the “is it on the list” principle then that’s your choice, just make sure it’s your list 😉

Solo, I too will also be keeping to cooked bacon in a bacon buttie 😀

I won’t be able to keep this up all day, work must prevail.
But..

Good source of fibre, B vitamins and carbohydrates and tasty with it
We do not need anywhere near as much fibre as you are suggesting.
Vit B and carbs come from other superior sources.
Also, you mentioned taste, so you have failed.
🙁

No. but salivery amylase sure does a good job pre-digesting coping with bread
There, I’ve fixed that for you.
😉

Hmmmm, high saturated fat content foods cooked by frying, better than wholegrain cereal/seeds and fermented diary products, not on my planet ‘dude’
Sat fats have had a bad press.
Why are Sat Fats a problem ?.
You’re belief is based on the Ancel Keys stuff ?.
Our ancestors consumed Sat fats and did well on it, in other words, we’re equiped not only to deal with sat fats, but to use them.

Wholegrain cereal. Please provide your clinical evidence that grain is good.
Please explain about the effects of the lectin, phytate and gluten.
Especially interested about the Phytate please and how it effects the nutrients contained in the grain.
🙂

why ?? because it’s iDaves tipple of choice
Nope, cos its what people have found.
Trial and error mate.
Its the human way, don’tcha know.
😀

Solo, I too will also be keeping to cooked bacon in a bacon buttie

Glad to read that.

I was worried there for a minute.

C’mon Solo… whilst you may be right on a lot of things…

Bread is one of man’s greatest inventions! Sliced bread was a step backwards, and still people struggle to think of things that are better than it!

Bread is one of man’s greatest inventions! Sliced bread was a step backwards, and still people struggle to think of things that are better than it!

😆 😆

Hi TSY. How is your knee, leg, the thing you had a problem with a few weeks ago ?.