How long will it be before all shops (etc) are open 24/7 ?

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  • Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Premier Icon Drac
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    Premier Icon kimbers
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    who wants to buy a car at 3am?

    some king size rizla, a bottle of iron bru and some malteezers however…..

    warton
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    never, as the cost of staffing will vastly outweigh the purchases made at 4am, in a pet shop, or an estate agents.

    crikey
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    It takes about 6 nurses to staff one ITU bed for a year.

    So all those places would need to increase their staff by a considerable number, which would mean wages would have to be paid, which means the business would have to make more money.

    Never, basically.

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    No, most people on here seem to hate bricks and motor shops, you can still buy stuff at 3am pissed up on the internet.

    robinlaidlaw
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    never, as the cost of staffing will vastly outweigh the purchases made at 4am, in a pet shop, or an estate agents.

    This. The supermarkets only do it as they have staff in overnight anyway stocking up, so a couple more who can work the tills isn’t a problem.

    iolo
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    In Austria most shops (including supermarkets) close at 6.
    Sunday nothing is open apart from a few bakery’s.
    All your shopping is done based on this ie food for Sunday bought Saturday and it’s no problem.

    nealglover
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    Another “never” here.

    Bloody stupid concept that will never happen.

    unfitgeezer
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    By this I mean anything from car dealers to estate agents to pet shops to doctors/dentists open all week all year no bank holidays no closing for xmas/easter etc

    Im being a little futuristic I guess…

    I give it 10 to 15 years…

    Premier Icon andyfla
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    when I set up my benevolent dictatorship all shops will shut on sat lunchtime and open monday morning.
    One weekend a month the internet and tv will be shut-down on Friday night until Monday morning.

    konabunny
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    All shops will never happen but I can see estate agents etc opening much later.

    plyphon
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    I’ve often thought why do a lot of places both opening 8/9am to 5pm Monday – Friday.

    Surly makes more send to open 12 midday to 8 in the evening so people who can work can still get down and spend their money.

    I work to 6pm and it’s impossible to get anything done in the week as everywhere is closed at 6!

    mrmo
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    24×7 Never, but i wonder how long until we see shops opening in the morning, shut for a LONG lunch, then reopen 5-10pm. It will depend on the nature of the business and who the customer is. I am always confused that a large proportion of people work 9-5 so shops open 9-5.

    The good thing about shift work is you can shop when the shops are open.

    Premier Icon zippykona
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    Shut all the shops one Sunday a month. Get back to socialising.

    Junkyard
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    Never going to happen and the open 24 hours supermarkets have a night shift anyway that are stacking stuff so it is no real loss to them to open
    the open 6-10 one day a week seems like a good idea for towns so workers can get out

    bikebouy
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    Dear God.. ever tried getting breakfast between 8-11 on a Sunday in that Lunjon? impossible unless it’s CrackDonnalds.. 😥

    bencooper
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    I struggle to manage 10-5 opening…

    DT78
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    24×7 doesn’t really make sense, but for a lot of shops and services opening late morning staying open till early evening makes a lot more sense.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    Ben Cooper wrote:

    I struggle to manage 10-5 opening…

    That’s just because you run a bike shop and are therefore so rich you’ve no incentive.

    Mackem
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    More likely that there wont be any shops apart from on-line ones. Apart from pubs, cafes, restaurants.

    bencooper
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    That’s just because you run a bike shop and are therefore so rich you’ve no incentive.

    😆

    Alcopop
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    10-15 years there wont much left on the high street

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    a 24 hr day is 3 shifts. A 365 day year is 1095 shifts. A working week is 5 days and a working year includes 20 – 25 days of holidays. So one person only works somewhere in the region of 240 shifts a year.

    So opening 24hrs rather than 9-5 mon to fri makes it appear that you need nearly 5 times as many staff. But staff need breaks through the working shift and if its a front line roll those breaks need staff to cover. In some cases like the police it can take nearer to 10 or even 15 staff per role to operate 24/7 once you allow for sickness and maternity cover, court time and all sorts of other factors.

    Commercially here are benefits to longer opening hours if you get the hours right. I used to work in a museum – open 6 days a week. 4 evenings a week we stayed open til 8. Across the year over a third of our visitors came between 5 and 8 on those 4 evenings. That was a third of our business happening in a fifth of our staffing costs

    To save money it was decided on those evenings we closed an hour earlier, 7pm, saving 4 hours across the week. We lost all of those extra visits as a result. We saved a 16th of our staffing bill and lost a 3rd of the audience.

    Most convenient for me would be if shops closed around 10-11pm. Don’t know how that would work out for retailers who need to balance making a living with having a life but purely for convenience later evening opening would be great for me to be able to pop out after eating and get anything i might want.

    Overall, it’s not really something that bothers me, I wouldn’t even mind if they brought back half day closing on a Wednesday. We’d all adjust and work around it and there’d be a nice quiet afternoon in the middle of the week.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    Never. I can see more late openings/shifted hours but 24/7 will always be a minority.

    avdave2
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    never, as the cost of staffing will vastly outweigh the purchases made at 4am, in a pet shop

    Now I reckon 4am would be prime time for selling say a very expensive tiger to passing trade on an impulse.

    butcher
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    I was thinking about this the other week. Not 24/7 opening times, but opening times that fit in with modern life. I work 9 to 5. Most people I know work 9 to 5. Shops are open 9 to 5. And weekends are for riding bikes. So the only stores I ever go to are the big supermarkets. Can’t even go to the LBS because that’s shut by the time I get home.

    The only things open in my hometown when I’m around are McDonald’s and a plethora of Public Houses. So unless you want to take your missus on a burger date, or get plastered, there’s no incentive to venture out. The place is dead. Until Friday night…

    Given that both sexes in the British household generally work nowadays, many of whom work 9 to 5, is it not reasonable to say that 9 to 5 is the worst time for stores to open? The odd time I do venture into the highstreet it is 99% persons of retired age.

    Say, if they were to open 2pm to 10pm – the employees might hate their lives – but they’d do better business surely, and the highstreets would come to life again?

    bencooper
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    Say, if they were to open 2pm to 10pm – the employees might hate their lives – but they’d do better business surely, and the highstreets would come to life again?

    I’d love to work 2pm-10pm or similar – I probably would if it wasn’t for courier companies.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    More likely that there wont be any shops apart from on-line ones. Apart from pubs, cafes, Fast food restaurants.

    FTFY

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    Say, if they were to open 2pm to 10pm – the employees might hate their lives – but they’d do better business surely

    The thing is – theres only a finite amount of business. People buy as much as they want/can afford. If the whole high st moved to those hours the difference in the bottom line for all those businesses would be zero.

    jambourgie
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    Interesting this. I always wonder why this culture is stuck in the 9-5 rut. It’s not like we all work on the land and need to rise with the sun. As others have pointed out, it’s also ludicrous that all the shops, banks etc also operate during these hours.

    Until the obsession with the 9-5 changes I doubt it makes much financial sense to stay open late. Look at when the pubs got the chance to stay open 24h, how many did? Shame, as 11pm closing is just infuriating.

    Look at when the pubs got the chance to stay open 24h, how many did? Shame, as 11pm closing is just infuriating.

    I was thinking about this the other week. Not 24/7 opening times, but opening times that fit in with modern life. I work 9 to 5. Most people I know work 9 to 5. Shops are open 9 to 5. And weekends are for riding bikes. So the only stores I ever go to are the big supermarkets. Can’t even go to the LBS because that’s shut by the time I get home.

    It’s not really though is it? They obviously decided that it wasn’t worth the hastle of opening late for the hardcore weeknight drinkers.

    LBS? Keeps busy with repairs mid week and selling stuff at the weekend.

    Estate Agents? They’re an office just like any other, presumably there’s a lot of admin work done 9-4, and I’ve always managed to get viewings in the evenings, so they already do evening hours.

    Banks? Presumably do more business with shops, which are also open 9-5, than individual customers. If a shops daily takings are comparable to an individuals monthly wages, who woudl you base your opening hours arround?

    I can see an advantage for some businesses (particularly retail) in opening in the mornings/evenings, but as someone said, there’s only a finite ammount of money to be spent (arguably too much already seeing the debts people are in), if all that can be spent on a Saturday/Sunday then why bother opening other days at all? The reason is the same as why supermarkets started opening 24h, because the corner shops did, and people only need 1 bottle of milk a week, if they can get it from the corner shop at 11pm then the supermarket loses out at 9am the next day. And people are creatures of habit, once they start shoping somewhere they’ll stick with it, so they lose the milk/egg/bread money too.

    Premier Icon D0NK
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    nah 24/7 is daft and too labour intensive, being a bit smarter with opening hours would be welcome tho. Everywhere is open 9-5 mon-fri when most people are working, of the 2 days at the end of the week when the majority of people are free, plenty of shops don’t even open for one. Later opening and closing times a few week days, closed a couple of weekdays and 2 full days open at weekend – whichever works for your business.

    like maccruiskeen’s example, you can benefit if you think about these things (or screw up too of course)

    Premier Icon teamhurtmore
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    Shops in 15 years time – how quaint?!?

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    Interesting this. I always wonder why this culture is stuck in the 9-5 rut. It’s not like we all work on the land and need to rise with the sun. As others have pointed out, it’s also ludicrous that all the shops, banks etc also operate during these hours.

    The ‘rut’ is to do with households rather than individuals. If you work 9-5 in an office then it would convenient for you if the shops/library/doctors were open 5 – 9 instead. But if your an office worker and your husband/wife is a shop keeper/librarian/doctor then thats less ideal. At the same time if those people working this customer friendly backshift have school age children then thats pretty crap also.

    My dad once described me as having been ‘neglected by two working parents’ he had a pretty long commute so was out of the house 8am to 7pm and my mum worked nights so she was she left the house at 7.30pm and got home at 7.30am. It was shift work as well so there was only one week in 4 that we got a whole weekend together. Not everybody’s idea of a work/life balance.

    hooli
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    I think it will go the other way, more done online with less shops and the ones that remain will reduce hours to meet the modern working patterns.

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