That cold treatment that Mark Webber had looked like fun 😯

cryogenic chamber therapy - I belive
I can't see it being available to folks with normal sized wallets mind

cryo therapy is fairly available actually. i would have thought protein, either dietry or supplementry, lots of rest/ sleep and massages would have been your best bet. there's not actually a lot you can do to speed this up.

zipvit muscle/recovery drink.

Open your freezer door and climb in 🙂

the one thing that always healed my muscles faster (assuming it's muscle damage and not ligament damage) was protein shakes - cut my recovery times from 2-3 days to 1 day when I was really struggling with the usual aches from weights or cycling.

Right - off to nutrition shop to get kitted up!

Stop pulling up on the bars for a bit. Let it rest by doing a bit of road cycling.
I would imagine thats what will help it heal quickest.

barnaby, go the the shop and buy a big bag of manup!

Second the Protein Drink suggestion, I use Reflex Instant Whey a couple of times a day. Protein is needed in the repair and recovery of muscles, I use it so I can maintain a high volume of riding.

Buy protein etc from somewhere like bulkpowders.co.uk and you'll save yourself a fortune - and you won't pay for the additives and sugars either. I don't work there - just buy their 80% protein cos it is cheap and good.

LOL! I'll see what i can find.

your body is continually restructuring itself so I'd say no change was necessary unless you are malnourished

and why are people saying a protein shake ? Why not a fat shake or a carb shake or a lettuce shake ? About 50% of your body mass must alreay be protein so it's not as if you're short of it...

So you don't accept that certain dietary supplements can aid in the repair of tissues?

So you don't accept that certain dietary supplements can aid in the repair of tissues?

it's all bollocks :o)
however it may work through placebo effect, if you're prepared to believe it

SFB - Explain and provide evidence?

Explain and provide evidence?

I don't need to - is there any evidence that eating expensive nonsense provides any benefit ? Our bodies came about (or were created) in the absence of food science and are already optimised to exploit normal foostuffs

Don't let him spoil another thread.

How on earth is he spoiling it?
Try putting you fingers in your ears & singing lalalalala loudly

Don't let him spoil another thread.

so we should all just agree with any old claptrap anyone spouts without thinking ?

I think you will find there is more evidence it works than it doesn't...

What you are saying is along the lines of Iron is a great metal, no need to add anything to it to improve its properties or make it more useful depending on how you want to use it!!!

What you are saying is along the lines of Iron is a great metal, no need to add anything

I reject your misinterpretation

I think you will find there is more evidence it works than it doesn't...

made up by people who want to sell you something, or at least protract their careers

Most westerners eat far more protein than their body needs. Unless you are malnourished there is no need for extra protein

Plenty of evidence that westerners eat too much protein and too much protein can lead to many diseases including an increased cancer risk.
Just because someone is disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are spoiling the thread.

Bushwacked - the simple answer is rest.

bushwacked, the best thing for it is to go to corby and air the hip a few times and you'll forget about it 🙂

I can't wait to get back on that hip!!! Freak accidents involving 10p coins suck!!!

I am resting but going do everything I can to heal it up as I want to get back on my bike. I'm looking for positive advice here, it may not work, but any suggestions on what may help are useful, someone saying its bollocks isn't constructive (may be true, may not)

[b]aleigh[/b] informs me that she has

magic hands that heal muscles very well

By the way, I'm not looking to eat a ridiculous amount of protein for the rest of my life, just increase the amount of protein and any other building materials available until I am back to normal.

My comments come from about a years worth of experience of struggling to be back up and running for the next days competitive commute then having protein shake suggested to me by my GP - it was an almost overnight improvement, it shocked me.

Sure we all come from a balanced background where food science was not thought of, but likewise maybe we could have excelled better if we HAD had protein shake 2000 years ago. I mean it's not as if we are the "perfect" form is it, improvements must be possible.

Now I know SFB is becoming the smee of the boards now that place has been vacated, but really, honestly you have to try it to believe it and it really does work. You wouldnt have a fat shake as no-one needs excess fat, you DO get carb shakes and most athletes carb-load to aid performance and lettuice shake would do nothing for you at all so why would you. Protein shakes are designed to flood your body with amino acids, this makes it easier for your body to re-form muscle tissue which requires large quantities of aminos. No-one is saying it wouldnt heal without it, but that it speeds it up nicely.

Coffee king- what is the mechanism? I can see none. That does not mean there is not a mechanism for using the excess protein but I would like to know what it is.

someone saying its bollocks isn't constructive

rather than waste time eating overpriced stuff that has no effect concentrate of feeling positive about yourself and encourage your body to mend itself 🙂 Of course, such thoughts may have no effect either but they're much cheaper!

Do you honestly think promoting superstition is constructive ??

I'm not sure TJ - I did have it explained to me by the doc and it made sense at the time but I dont think I could remember sufficient detail to make my repeating it valid. There is evidence to show that excess protein causes increased levels of the hormone that causes cell proliferation which is believed to be linked to cancer (naturally, as cancer is faulty re-production of cells) but over short stints for recovery I'd imagine the risk is minimal - the studies are carried out on long-term "users".

Do you honestly think promoting superstition is constructive ??

What proof do you have that it doesnt work? What reason do you have to suggest it doesn't work in any case? I presume you must seriously know your stuff in biological terms in order to be able to pass it off as snake-oil so forcefully?

Protein shakes are designed to flood your body with amino acids

but biology reveals that most of our cells are continually being broken down and rebuilt and indeed our bloodstream is always flooded with amino acids, so adding a bit more makes no difference unless you are malnourished

a thought and i may be wrong, is it the nature of the proteins and how easily they can be absorbed by the body that is the issue with supplements? So you may be eating enough protein normally but the body is not processing them as quickly as it might with other less complex proteins?

protein shakes work (why else would they be so popular with bodybuilders/athletes?), just add 30g or so extra to your daily food intake and it should be enough unless your bodybuilding. Max recomended intake is usualy 1g per lb of bodyweight and you'll get about 50-100g in your normal diet (milk on cereal = 10g, 150g of meat is another ~30-40g, etc).

Creatin (sp?) may help as amongst other things it make muscles swell up with water, thus reducing damage from using them. It also speeds up the conversion of protein into muscle tissue and generaly boots energy levels as its used in the creation of ATP.

but biology reveals that most of our cells are continually being broken down and rebuilt and indeed our bloodstream is always flooded with amino acids

Source?

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/96/3/951

"Compared with placebo and control groups, the protein-supplemented group had an average of 33% fewer total medical visits, 28% fewer visits due to bacterial/viral infections, 37% fewer visits due to muscle/joint problems, and 83% fewer visits due to heat exhaustion. "

And this is in a bunch of US Marines who I suspect are not malnourished.

Is it me or do the posts from SFB seem like they are touching the envelope of truth just to get a reaction from people.

this is not a spoon. reflexology and homeopathy are popular but that is no evidence they work. The same applies to protein shakes. If you are going to go down this road buy bulk whey protein - its the main constituent of protein shakes and much cheaper

Good reference coffeking. Best evidence I have seen - but this is the crucial bit "suggesting a potential therapeutic approach for the prevention of health problems in [i]severely stressed exercising[/i] populations." My italics.

IMO this is anther thing that may be of use in elite atheletes and the like but I can see no use for the majority of the population.

Still - it can do no harm and placebo effect is always good.

Injury is classed as "stressing" the body, many of the treatments used for elite athletes are applied to injured/convalescing individuals, such as increased calorie intake while the body repairs itself. For Joe Public in the street I'm sure it makes no odds, but if you're churning out serious miles a day and need faster recovery or are injured you need all the help you can get.

Source?

see 'cell biology'

Is it me or do the posts from SFB seem like they are touching the envelope of truth just to get a reaction from people.

I express routine scepticism for unsubstantiated claims

[i]just to get a reaction from people[/i]

Who, SFB? Never...

Ignore him, he'll hopefully go back under his bridge.

you need all the help you can get.

ie shamans, magic amulets, magnets, copper bracelets, prayer, ground up parts of endangered species, crystals etc ??

More evidence, this time done in non-excercising/stressed people...

http://tinyurl.com/cmjexe

"Postexercise protein intake enhances whole-body and leg protein accretion in humans".....

"
Results: Compared to NO, SUPP did not alter leg or whole-body protein homeostasis during the recovery period. In contrast, SUPP+PRO increased plasma essential amino acids 33%, leg fractional extraction of phenylalanine 4-fold, leg uptake of glucose 3.5-fold, and leg and whole-body protein synthesis 6-fold and 15%, respectively. Whereas postexercise intake of either NO or SUPP resulted in a net leg release of essential amino acids and net loss of whole-body and leg protein, SUPP+PRO resulted in a net leg uptake of essential amino acids and net whole-body and leg protein gain.

Conclusions: These findings suggest that the availability of amino acids is more important than the availability of energy for postexercise repair and synthesis of muscle proteins."

SFB - you-re clearly just trolling now. Cells are not continuously broken down and re-made in the sense you suggest - cells die and are broken down and the waste removed, but cell creation is not by a mechanism re-using the old dead cells, it requires fresh protein intake of the right kind.

Soon you'll be telling me to believe we were all created and there's no evidence of evolution.

Must get some work done now, might catch you all later.

Coffeeking - thanks for your input - very interesting.

whole-body and leg protein

in my imagination my leg is part of my whole body...
or are we to believe there are special leg proteins ?

Cells are not continuously broken down and re-made in the sense you suggest

this is exactly my understanding and I apologise if I'm wrong

sfb - yes quoting out of context you can make it look silly. Paraphrased it is simply looking at the effect of protein on creation of muscle fibres in a) the legs and b) the whole body. Much like an investigation to see if you can spot-lose fat, this is an investigation to see if you get area-specific muscle fibre deposits - not that proteins are different from one place to another. I know you're smart enough to read this correctly so I can only assume you're taking the P, but it'd be nice if you could admit that for the sake of helping the OP.

Various cells last varying lengths - bone cells last around 22 years before being replaced IIRC, brain cells 30-50. On a day to day basis some will die, some are made in a cycle, but if you are injured or exercise hard lots (same effect) it has been shown that extra protein helps to make up the deficit.

I can only assume you're taking the P

about leg proteins yes :o)

I was interested to read about bone and brain cells lasting longer, but it's obviously different for muscles as you can easily see them atrophy if you stop exercising, and I'm sure this is just the normal rate of destruction/replacement - without the replacement bit, which is triggered by demand.

On a day to day basis some will die

the rate quoted on wiki was equivalent to replacing the whole body mass once a year. It would be highly wasteful if the amino acids in dismantled cells were just metabolised, and it's always been my understanding that they are reused

Is it me or do the posts from SFB seem like they are touching the envelope of truth just to get a reaction from people.

Nail, head.

He is an irritant. He spoils good threads.

there's scepticism, then theres just disagreement with a point for the sake of it.

Me any my housemate both go to the gym regularly (5+ times a week) he eats/drinks protein mix/shakes/bars/solutions, I don't (although I am partial to (a lot of) steak (regularly), and drink probably over a pint of milk a day so i guess i'ma lready getting an above average ammount fo protein. Now unless the placebo effect can somehow account for the fact his arms are about the 2x the diameter of mine, then IMO the protein is having an impact.

Try swapping his protein powder for talc or dried cheese and see what happens!

He will choke? 😀

He spoils good threads.

what was good about it ? Junk science dressed up as knowledge ?

then IMO the protein is having an impact.

never mind science give us anecdote :o)

[i]aleigh informs me that she has

magic hands that heal muscles very well

Now THAT I can relate to :o) [/i]

😉