[Closed] Guess the damage - VAG TDI Cambelt

Based on my experiences with an Alfa I'd go with £3000.

£2690.

Is there a prize?

What warranty came with the recent garage work? You'd expect at least parts, although were they VW or pattern parts?

And £1850+vat.

If it is cam belt slippage, something along the lines of:
Bent valves
Damaged pistons
Cylinder head damage
Interesting chat with your dealer and inspection of the tensioner etc etc, ducking and diving to follow.

Thats very spendy.... if its not warranted at the garage that did the work. Was it a main dealer or independent?

[i]Is there a prize? [/i]

I hope so.

The lack of tension is killing me.

7. Cambelt/tensioner/water pump replaced by above garage 3000miles/3months ago.

You need a lawyer, AA provide them as part of membership.

In a 12yo car, more than it's worth?

Cost to you should be zero as the garage should repair that under warranty .

I wonder how much recon units go for???

Free (hopefully)

Common problem apparently

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=98555

i guess this is part of the reason why timing belts are so pricy to get done for how not hugely difficult they are ....

price of failure is high though..

Be interesting to know the brand of tensioner -waterpumps and tensioners i always try to use dealer issued genuine parts. Having had a failure also on a vw engine ..... 2001 golf. water pump failure = terminal head and piston damage.

When I spoke to a garage about having my cam belt done on a 2.0 TDI they mentioned a common fault where the tensioner strips the thread on removal. They always re-tap before fitting a new tensioner.

Does the PD engine have an interference head on it?

I think the op needs to tighten his belt & cut the garage some slack.

You've got a great claim against the garage who performed the earlier work - VAG or independent

Ensure that you get lots of pictures when you get an independent party to dismantle the cambelt case

I'll play, £2117 inc VAT.
No tea whilst you wait, no biscuits either, a rough smirk from the receptionist, and the yoof in the corner of the garage sniffing gives you his cold.

2005 2.0TDI PD engine in Audi A6

Don't you know where you are man?
2005 vehicles have been banished to the scrapyards, shirley! 😀

Time for a trip to the dealership for one of those cheap pay monhtly 2017 plates.
Garage didg'ya a favour.

[i]Looks like tensioner failure[/i]

Sadly, this may be through no fault of the garage which carried out the work. It really could come down to how honest the garage is and how much good will they show if they can't prove it wasn't them.

Assuming a meeting of pistons and valves and subsequent head damage. A recon engine may be the most economical repair.

But of a nightmare situation TBH. You just have to hope the garage take it on the chin and at least offer a very healthy contribution. But, sadly even correctly maintained motors go pop sometimes.

Has sir requested lube after he holds the bench in both hands?

£2749.66 inc VAT and environmental charge (no lube) £50 extra for lube

2. drove another 500m until safe place to stop, engine down on power.

3. Idle sounding pretty bad and jumping around 700-1000rpm at this point.

Wow, I'm surprised your car went at all after it jumped, when mine went all I got was a series of bangs, the dash lighting up like a christmas tree and ominous silence at 70mph (in the outside lane of the M1). I put dents in the pistons and bent every valve.

Mine was an old renault megane, and I think it came to about £700 in parts, no labour as me and my Dad did the work, fortunately he's a mechanic.

Parts were only a reconditioned head/belt/tensioner/sundries, as we did it on the cheap, had a bit of a knock on the bottom end, but put another 10000 miles on it (at 100 miles a day commute) before it got traded in and became somebody else's problem.

£50 extra for lube

that is a [b]lot[/b] of lube... 😯

Rachel

New cambelt in my car, same engine is £349 without water pump I think from VW.

If you've knackered valves though, I dunno.

Chap at work had exactly the same thing happen to an 07 A6 2.0 TDI, think it was 15k miles (ish) after Audi did the cambelt.

He had similar symptoms too and didnt do any damage to the engine, I was very surprised, you may be lucky too.

IIRC Audi knocked a substantial amount off the cost of the new belt and tensioner and whatever else was required. I can ask for you if you like?

Pretty much Engine write off..I'm going for 4k, which includes complimentary lube..

That's fine sobriety but no garage would put that together for a customer on a probably split liability warranty job.

You did what I would do at home for me or my mates but that's not what you do for customers.

That's fine sobriety but no garage would put that together for a customer on a probably split liability warranty job.

'Twas just an example of what can be done, car was dead otherwise as I could've bought a couple of running ones for the cost of a garage repair. The cause of the failure was the belt tensioner failing on the aux belt, the aux belt failing becase of this, goign into the main belt and jumping it. The tensioner should've been changed, but the deal I got it from didn't as I suspect he was cutting corners, lasted 7 months before failure, he gave a 6 month warranty the lucky git!

Equally another avenue is probably coulda got a new engine for 100 quid

French engines are fairly cheap.

Although the fuel pump/immobiliser coding might have been a hassle dependant on engine.

The tensioner on our old Mazda 323 went, amazingly the OH managed (somehow) to coax it another 2 miles to her mothers.
The cost? £40 to me to replace the tensioner, belt and water pump, and 2 evenings work to do the work.
Non interference engine thank god.

Is the 2.0tdi PD a twin cam? I doubt the car would justify the cost of a recon engine. I'd say you'd still be looking at £2k for a scrap yard sourced engine and fitting.

a very nice bike.

Equally another avenue is probably coulda got a new engine for 100 quid

Yup, looked into that but didn't for the reasons above, especially as most breakers don't do returns!

Had to get 3 different reconditioned heads to get the right one, as despite ordering the correct one for the engine number, it wasn't.

Is the 2.0tdi PD a twin cam?

Some are, some aren't afaik but that one probably is.

wwaswas - Member
I hope so.

The lack of tension is killing me.

That's what killed the engine too.

Obviously we are accepting that the garage did actually change the tensioner when they did the belt - when in actual fact they may not have done so at all.
Now's the time that having work done by a dealer seems like a better idea as you'd probably get a better warranty.

Indeed, saving £200 by going to an independent seemed like a good idea at the time.

Phoned garage today (albeit fairly late), the owner was out but didn't return my call.

I imagine he was busy sourcing me a brand new engine, or maybe even a new car. Probably the 3.0tdi s-line Quattro.

You need a nice 525d Touring. Will look the dogs after I get the EBay front wings on.

Mate of mine in Budleigh had £££s (I think £7k!) work done for free by Audi Exeter after an Independent-fitted belt etc failed as it was all Audi branded parts. It was a fairly mature 2.5 V6. So there is hope.

Single Cam , but cam operates HP injectors inside the head so more load than a std OHC engine .
Its front end rebuild for a cambelt swap on the A6 . IC out , Rad out ,lots of pipes moving , grill off , bumper off so a big job.
Beyond economical repair , It will be £1620 plus VAT.
But they will caveat that with it might be £2200 if the head needs skimming , new pistons,new valves, new vlave stem oil seals, belts , gaskets , oil , antifreeze and labour.
3000 miles though, I would be expecting alot of goodwill. Best deal all round would be a newer model from dealer stock at a discount price.

Ah, so we don't actually know the cost.. right.

Well if it didn't give an almighty bang and continued to run, it's probably not knackered I'd guess. Probably just slipped a tooth, might have damaged some valves might not. You might be lucky.

Hence "guess the damage".

Hopefully there won't be any significant cost for me.

You might have been right till Mr aa man brought his experience to the table and banjod it

think it will be a ' what new car thread' soon

Hopefully there won't be any significant cost for me.

I bet the owner will be out for a very long time...

trail_rat - Member

You might have been right till Mr aa man brought his experience to the table and banjod it

Mate of mine has the same thing happen to his Octavia vRS.
Tensioner failed while driving it back from the Halfords service place he'd just had the cambelt done at.
He called the AA out to recover the car & the first thing the bloke said was to turn it over so he could see what's up - even after my mate told him it occurred while being driven back from having the cambelt changed. Nuts.

You might have been right till Mr aa man brought his experience to the table and banjod it

You might have been right till Mr aa man brought his experience to the table and banjod it

One would assume that the AA will be assuming liability then?

And the answer is...

Cause:
Tensioner stud pulled out of engine block (probably due to 3rd or 4th timing belt going on the car (216,000miles)

Damage:
Garage said engine seems fine, start,runs and revs well. Compression good, no smoke etc.

Resolution:
Helicoil engine block for to fit new tensioner stud.
New timing belt and tensioner

Cost:
Missing NYD blast around local loop.

Losing Maxle on my Lyrics in the transfer of bike between various cars during the recovery process.

Win!

*thumb*

Name and fame the garage? That's decent service I reckon. Unless they actually screwed it up and are making nice - but even so, that's not bad.

stumpy01 - Member

He called the AA out to recover the car & the first thing the bloke said was to turn it over so he could see what's up - even after my mate told him it occurred while being driven back from having the cambelt changed. Nuts.

Really, what are the odds that the car had a belt issue while driving and was completely unscathed- and then turning it over for the AA man killed it?

Damage:
Garage said engine seems fine, start,runs and revs well. Compression good, no smoke etc.

Oh yes, I bet they did 😉

Really, what are the odds that the car had a belt issue while driving and was completely unscathed- and then turning it over for the AA man killed it?

Really, what are the odds that the car had a belt issue while driving and was completely unscathed- and then turning it over for the AA man killed it?

Well, it could have been held in some precarious position then when the engine stopped it became dislodged further, or another tooth slipped or something. Plausible, if not especially likely is my uninformed guess. But sounds like the OP got away with it.

Excellent luck there OP.
Buy a lottery ticket.

I didn't understand the "cost" resolution .. what's NYD ?

And sadly not bendyovertakeitupthebottomwithoutlube resolution we were all betting on.

Is dissapoint.

Same outcome as my colleague's A6. His has been fine since, the tensioner fail doesn't seem to banjax the engine every time.

lotto tickets ahoy.

good outcome.

NYD = New Year Day.

I think the fact it was still running when I turned it off probably saved the engine. The belt looked like it was about to fall off the top cam gear thing when the AA man undid the belt cover, so I think I was seconds away from total disaster...

had a similar thing happen on my last car...a nissan almera. driving home on the motorway...i heard a large crack and bang as something came off at 70mph. managed to drive the remaining 6 miles home tentatively. phoned Green Flag who sent an independent recovery guy to the house. luckily he didnt ask me to start the engine straight away. he had a look under the bonnet and told me that the belts had come off but that was due to the main pulley wheel shearing off its mounting plate. he did start the engine after that to check it was running fine. towed to the garage to get it replaced and all was good again.

the fact it was still running when I turned it off probably saved the engine

Eh, surely an engine has to be running for you to be able to turn it off?

Ticket bought... not that lucky it would seem.

Used up all your 2017 luck 😉

[quote=mikeyd ]I think the fact it was still running when I turned it off probably saved the engine.

So it could have been killed by turning it over on AA man's advice? Good outcome though 😀

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The garage also dodged a bullet there.

It was completely out of their control and nothing to do with the work they did.

Most would have them strung up if the outcome was worse and they refused repair.

This is what all the fuss was about
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And a bottle of Wainright to boot. Lovely beer