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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14150800
Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, has been jailed for 16 months for a rampage at a student fees protest in central London.
Rather embarrassingly, not only a fellow alumnus of my [i]alma mater[/i] but also from the same college.
16 months is a pretty hefty stretch for pretty boy though.
Having had the privilege of the finest private education money can buy, I'm sure the nocturnal demands of his cellmate will be just like old times for him
albeit a well deserved hefty stretch.
"You have shown disrespect to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, to those who fell defending this country."
Not to mention, his Dad. 🙁
16 months? Rather OTT is it not?
What happened to that idiot who threw a fire extinguisher off the roof at police?
edit; just read the report, good sentence - he [and a number of others] won't be doing that again.
If this guy got 16 months, then I assume they shot that guy into the space.
...agree with TJ. Seems very harsh.
What happened to that idiot who threw a fire extinguisher off the roof at police?
*pedant mode* He didn't allegedly throw it, he allegedly dropped it, *pedant mode*
close, jamie.
He was given 2yrs 8m inside
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581
A student who admitted throwing a fire extinguisher from the roof of a central London building during the student fees protests has been jailed.Edward Woollard, 18, from Hampshire, was among protesters who broke into the Tory party headquarters and emerged on the roof on 10 November.
He was jailed for two years and eight months after admitting at an earlier hearing to committing violent disorder.
Seems very harsh.
probably not for messing with a 'Royal' convoy. I presume he was made an example of.
The most shocking thing about this whole case is the fact that he was swinging off a Union flag placed on an enormous marble plinth with the names of lots of dead people solemnly engraved on it, surrounded by poppy reathes. Yet he claimed he was unaware it was a cenetaph
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions as to what that says about the ludicrously expensive private education he received
sentences should never be used to make an example of someone or to deter others they should reflect what he did not what others may do.
Seems harsh for throwing a bin, sitting on a car and smashing a window tbh.
I am sure every weekend drunks do similar without getting sent down.
binners
Gilmour claimed he had not realised the significance of the memorial - an excuse the judge rejected."For a young man of your intelligence and education and background to profess to not know what the Cenotaph represents defies belief," he said.
He's either stupid for not knowing what the cenotaph was, or stupid for thinking anyone would believe that level of ignorance
Dumbed if he does, dumbed if he doesnt. 🙂
yes can we give that defence a name for STW purposes?
the "Girton" defence?
Or the "Pigs over Battersea" defence?
Dear Dad,
Wish You Were Here
Love
Charlie
He's [s]either[/s] stupid [s]for not knowing what the cenotaph was, or stupid for thinking anyone would believe that level of ignorance [/s]
FTFY. In reality he just said what he was told to say by his council.
sentences should never be used to make an example of someone or to deter others
Maybe, but in some cases (like this) it probably works.
There's no point comparing it to Woollard's sentence. 2 years and 7 months of that was for his haircut.
Gilmour, 21, was accused of throwing a bin at a convoy of cars containing Prince Charles, sitting on a protection officer's car and smashing a window.
Why is relevant to the sentence or the story that Prince Charles was in the convoy ? Is his safety more important than all the other unnamed people in the convoy ? I bet it had an impact on the sentence though.
Kingston Crown Court heard he had taken LSD and valium before the incident.
Anyone else thinking that this is a) un unusual cocktail of gear, b) a really odd cocktail of gear to go out on a demo on.
OTT sentence or not, if he doesn't his sentence he shouldn't have behaved criminally in the first place....
As for setting an example of him (or them), I think that is justified in the 'grater good' sense if it makes students think twice about causing carnage when they get pissed in London next time....
you should be sentenced for what you do not what others may do.
I suspect off his head on LSD and valium the sentence regulations were not part of his main thought process. [ yes odd choice unless he did the later afterwards to sleep it off]
The fact he did the crime also suggests that deterrents dont always work. Lets not get OT just yet on deterrents.
Presumably his sentence lies somewhere between the minimum and maximum penalty for the offences of which he was convicted. They don't just make this stuff up on the fly to "make an example" of someone cos they had a go at Charlie.
He'll only do half of it anyway.
It'd be more unbelievable if, just for example, his dad had been instrumental in recording a seminal album which drew attention to the war dead
Oh... hang on a minute....
Having had the privilege of the finest private education money can buy, I'm sure the nocturnal demands of his cellmate will be just like old times for him
mmm a bit of rough eh? might be a bit of win win there
They don't just make this stuff up on the fly to "make an example" of someone cos they had a go at Charlie.
If there was any 'example making' carried out I don't think it had 'that much' to do with charlie (they didn't even know he was going to be there). Probably aimed more at the thousands of students who might fancy another go sometime - you can guarantee that the sentence will be talked about in the SU bar.
Anyone else thinking that this is a) un unusual cocktail of gear, b) a really odd cocktail of gear to go out on a demo on.
I'd guess the valium is to calm any acid-induced panic attacks. Still, odd, but points added for inventiveness.
hed have been far better just running over a cyclist
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Trail Monkey wrote:
Kingston Crown Court heard he had taken LSD and valium before the incident.
Anyone else thinking that this is a) un unusual cocktail of gear, b) a really odd cocktail of gear to go out on a demo on.
Yeah - valium is used to take the edge of heavy LSD trips if they get a bit too much to handle. Perhaps he'd been having a bit of a rough ride! 😕
Don't know if this lot is correct, but if it is it seems fair:
You only have to take a look at the sentencing history for “Violent Disorder”, coupled with Mr Gilmour’s nature in court (allegedly giggling at scenes of his actions), tempered by the fact he pleaded guilty and apologised for certain (but not all) actions.Attacking a police officer by throwing bottles – 10 months
Encouraging others to KILL police officers – 12 months
Revenge attack on property, with “attack” of person, person of good character – 18 months
Taking part in a riot, repetitive attacks on riot police with state of mind to “re-arm” with projectiles, second offence – 3 years16 months, given that Charlie doesn’t exactly seem remorseful of the main elements of the charge (which is the threat, as little as it was in reality, he put members of family of the head of state under, and the encouragement for others to break the law), seems pretty much bang on all things considered, doesn’t it?
Now, perhaps the sentencing range (maximum 5 years) for this offence is too harsh, that’d be a fair stance to take.
But to call this sentencing “political” or “outrageous” is to just not have bothered to check what is normal in sentencing this kind of offence, as it stands in law.
Can't say I'm that bothered either way really.
Charlie Gilmour, quelle singe de bite!
sentences should never be used to make an example of someone or to deter others they should reflect what he did not what others may do.
Personally I think jail SHOULD be used as a deterrent rather than just as a punishment.
It should also be harsh enough that the threat of imprisonment is something to be really feared.
That said the there should also be real incentives in prison to rehabilitate and re-educated / retrain inmates so they leave as valuable members of society. If they don't want to do that then fine 23hrs a day in a cell 1 hour exercise. No luxuries.
Poor little rich kid.
Nothing OTT about sentence at all he pleaded guilty to violent disorder .... next step riot!!
Personally I think jail SHOULD be used as a deterrent rather than just as a punishment.
Punishing the innocent has a similar deterrent effect. Lets use them to prevent others after all the sentence is to deter others not punish the offenders!
On face value this looks like a silly argument but the logic is faultless. Same effect of the sentence ie you deter others which is the main aim of the sentence.
Personally i dont think deterrents work for two main reasons
1. Most criminals are not thinking logically or they are crimes of passion or due to loosing your cool - violence, drunk etc
2. With most planned crime the perpetrators hopes to get away with it.
The royal car was deliberately driven through the protests, and they were allowed to clamber all over the cenotaph in order to create the images and media moral outrage that you muppets just lap up, the fact that there was a drugged up son of a celebrity there was just a bonus. The whole cosy relationship between government, police and media has been inescapable for weeks and still you can't see when you are being manipulated.
The inequality in access to education is a bigger insult to the memories of those who have died in service than the defacement of stone and brass.
The inequality in access to education is a bigger insult to the memories of those who have died in service than the defacement of stone and brass.
He does have a point you know...
The royal car was deliberately driven through the protests, and they were allowed to clamber all over the cenotaph in order to create the images and media moral outrage that you muppets just lap up,
How do you know this 🙂
the lizzard king told him did you not get the e-mail?
that means you dont survive the floods 😯
double post
I saw the images of ranks of policemen standing idly by while a small number of agitators caused damage under the noses of large numbers of camera crews, unfortunately the reports didn't match the images.
Close protection squad and police escort, in what is probably the worlds most monitored city "accidentally" drives into the middle of a protest that has been kettled by the police.
If you believe the official line, then your more likely to believe in lizard men than I.
😆
Nice reply. Your view is not without merit I honestly dont know enough here to comment.
Yes yes yes, but how do you know it was deliberately driven though ? You must have some proof.
it does seem slightly suspicious that in this age of satellite surveillance and CCTV etc that a convoy of cars carrying the prince of Wales drives STRAIGHT into a group of protesters. Does it not? I mean really, does it not seem even a trifle implausible, a tad unusual?
Police cockup or some kind of dastardly masterplan from unknown powers upon high determined to stir up public resentment against the protestors by throwing Chaz and Wassername to the wolves ?
Occam's Razor innit 🙂
Well it does seem like an almighty cockup from the old bill. Mind you they haven't had the best couple if weeks what with NI, G20 etc.
Shame
1) he was a ****.
2) he had zero respect for those hundreds of thousands of people who died for the freedom he so roundly abused.
3) he was off his face on drink and drugs
4) he could afford the finest legal counsel to support his case that money could buy.
5) he deserves every single bit of the law thrown at him.
Points 1,3,4 and 5 don't count for diddly in my eyes, but he can hang for disrespecting the cenotaph, the menin gate, and every war grave or memorial from here to australia. Dick.
Anyone else thinking that this is a) un unusual cocktail of gear, b) a really odd cocktail of gear to go out on a demo on.
no no no..! It's a [i]bloody stupid[/i] cocktail of gear to go rioting on cos it's such a pokey one.. even without booze it's a recipe for drunken antics but with an altered beast power up (x3)..
It opens the channels and lowers inhibitions so can start mellow and consciousness expanding under the right conditions.. but if you've an inkling of a busy head on it's a riot in the making.. even if you're alone and miles from anywhere.. with added giggles.. and soiling yourself..
he either knew what he was doing.. true berserker stylee.. or else his dad helped him with his mitigating circumstances.. otherwise he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did..
that's just a guess from what I've heard like..
16 months for being a stupid mouthy teenage gobshite arsehole is a bit much I reckon. do him for criminal damage if he's smashed stuff up, but aren't we allowed to mouth off, rant and wibble in public? the guy sounds like a dickhied, but who hasn't been a knob when they were younger.
His bum will be comfortably numb.
Singletrack world. The only forum where you're not allowed to moan that an RAF flight your catching is late, but can see the funny side in a spot of buggery.
Madness.
1) he was a ****.
2) he had zero respect for those hundreds of thousands of people who died for the freedom he so roundly abused.
3) he was off his face on drink and drugs
4) he could afford the finest legal counsel to support his case that money could buy.5) he deserves every single bit of the law thrown at him.
Points 1,3,4 and 5 don't count for diddly in my eyes, but he can hang for disrespecting the cenotaph, the menin gate, and every war grave or memorial from here to australia. Dick.
What freedoms did he abuse, he broke the law and got punished, if its a crime then its not a freedom, your just repeating soundbites you don't even understand, and your solution to honour the deaths of servicemen is to kill people who damage property?
repeating soundbites? eh?
Admittedly maybe hanging's a bit strong but I think it's good that he's had a 'harsh' sentence doled out.
Singletrack world. The only forum where you're not allowed to moan that an RAF flight your catching is late, but can see the funny side in a spot of buggery.
Yes, it's OUTSTANDING! You can even "adopt a persona" and be someone else... 😆
Ain't THAT the truth!
The royal car was deliberately driven through the protests, and they were allowed to clamber all over the cenotaph in order to create the images and media moral outrage that you muppets just lap up, the fact that there was a drugged up son of a celebrity there was just a bonus. The whole cosy relationship between government, police and media has been inescapable for weeks and still you can't see when you are being manipulated.The inequality in access to education is a bigger insult to the memories of those who have died in service than the defacement of stone and brass.
He does have a point you know...
He does. And a bloody good one....
1) he was a ****.
2) he had zero respect for those hundreds of thousands of people who died for the freedom he so roundly abused.
3) he was off his face on drink and drugs
4) he could afford the finest legal counsel to support his case that money could buy.5) he deserves every single bit of the law thrown at him.
Points 1,3,4 and 5 don't count for diddly in my eyes, but he can hang for disrespecting the cenotaph, the menin gate, and every war grave or memorial from here to australia. Dick.
Sensationalist knee-jerk Daily Fail claptrap. Get a grip ffs.
You're not gonna like this... but I think he was a daft young lad, with no real ideas about "reality", our reality, a bit cocooned maybe? probably pissed and just thought "ooh! a flag, I hate flags!" or something. just showing off, attention getting for the dad that abandoned and never loved him? just cos he has money and fame(?) in his family doesn't mean he isn't a human being with emotions and problems. I thought the jail sentence was harsh myself.
Judge clearly made an 'example' of him and it's all media-hysteria led knee-jerk bollocks. Can't really see where Justice is in all this; wooduv bin far more suitable punishment to make him clean graffiti off vandalised memorials or something. Sweep up the streets after demonstrations. Repair any damage he caused.
And publicly humiliate him, make him wear brightly coloured clothes whilst doing his penance. Make him do something of value to society.
Instead, we're all paying for him to be in jail. Where he'll be for a few weeks only, as his spensive lawyers will undoubtedly get him out under some appeal or something.
And what if he's so embittered and angered by being jailed, that he gets all twisted and goes on a murdering spree on his release?
Won't seem such a good idea to jail him then, will it?
And what if he's so embittered and angered by being jailed, that he gets all twisted and goes on a murdering spree on his release?
And you say I'm being sensationalist! Ha!
Don't you think that the biggest act of disrespect to our war dead is to fight illegal wars based on phoney information?
Not really. I think it is a greater disrespect to the current fighting force who are being treated like expedtionary pirates rather than national defenders.
Don't you think that the biggest act of disrespect to our war dead is to fight illegal wars based on phoney information?
no. i think the biggest disrespect to our war dead, especially those of wwi, is to pretend that they died for freedom and liberty.
Not really. I think it is a greater disrespect to the current fighting force who are being treated like expedtionary pirates rather than national defenders.
who by Stoner?
Seems harsh to me, I agree with earlier sentiment that a spot of street cleanign with a yellow jacket and a dickhead sign would do the trick, esp considering the stuff that gets treated leniently.
As regards the disrespect to the war dead, I don't see why anyone should show respect to the war dead, I choose too, but if others don't want to then I respect that freedom too. They boy was not alive during the war and cannot/should not be held responsible for the terrible things that happened then.
who are [s]being treated like[/s] expedtionary pirates rather than national defenders.
FTFY
no. i think the biggest disrespect to our war dead, especially those of wwi, is to pretend that they died for freedom and liberty
OK, I'll bite. Would a policy of appeasement been a better approach rather than getting involved in WW2?
Totally agree that prison should be harsh, should be a deterrent and that our war memorials, etc, should be observed and treated with the utmost respect, BUT this stinks.
A large number of protesters seem to be getting disproportionately long sentences in prison for what seem to be fairly minor public disturbances. In contrast, steal cars, sell stolen parts, drive without licence and insurance, sell drugs, etc. and expect a suspended sentence.
It's big brother moving in on us all. Unjust cuts, fees and tax increases are forced on the public. The public objects- the government and law move in and crush this objection. We will see a lot more protesters brought to court as further cctv footage is processed through the system.
Isn't this just a way to deter the public from airing their views?
A threat to the innocent and peaceful objectors to keep their heads down and to keep quiet?
OK, I'll bite. Would a policy of appeasement been a better approach rather than getting involved in WW2?
i didn't mention wwii as that [b]was[/b] arguably a case of (the uk) fighting for liberty and freedom.
as for appeasement, correct me if i'm wrong but i thought that was the policy that we did adopt ? as it was, revisionist approaches now consider appeasement to have actually enabled us to fight hitler when we did. it's really easy with hindsight to pour scorn on appeasement but at the time not many in this country had the stomach for war after the horrors of 14-18 and as alluded to above, we were in less of a position to oppose hitler 33-38 than we were in 1940.
but this is rather getting away from the statement that i actually made. if you want to provide some evidence that britain fought wwi to defend its liberty and freedom then i'd be happy to engage.
Stanley has got it I reckon.
As regards the disrespect to the war dead, I don't see why anyone should show respect to the war dead, I choose too, but if others don't want to then I respect that freedom too.
Well, exactly - the biggest disrespect is surely to deny people the freedom to hold and express unpopular opinions that the war dead gave their lives to protect?
Kingston Crown Court heard he had taken LSD and valium before the incident.
Bizarre. Must have raided his dad's stash.