Different Steed but Strangely Familiar Arguments

molgrips – Member

On the basis of very little experience with horses.

Ok then – your opinion is noted and filed

Similarly with your grasp of basic comprehension. 🙂

Until a year ago,I lived in a rural village with several livery stables within a couple of miles.In 15 years the only riders having problems controlling their horses,had had a close encounter with an irresponsible car driver.Oh,and yes I do drive a car,and am very happy to slow down for horses on public roads.Just like learner drivers really.

Nope, same as I think dogs should always be on a lead.

I’m not sure that picture will be of any comfort to the 200,000+ people who are bitten by dogs each year andy.

I get the feeling you’re not really much of an animal person sbob 😆

That’s a flawed argument unless you can directly link number of attacks with dogs on or off leads and the actual cause being that the dog was off the lead and not some other factor which is over-riding.

How about we ban cars from roads as the 2013 figures are:

1,713 killed, 21,657 seriously injured, 160,300 injured and those are the lowest since records began.

the 1998 figures were: 3,421, 41,000 & 281,000

why dont we eat all the animals, then thnis wouldfn’t be a problem

How about we ban cars from roads as the 2013 figures are:

Fewer injured than by dogs?

Not the best argument you could put across andy.

GrahamS – Member

I get the feeling you’re not really much of an animal person sbob

Is it the repeated use of the phrase “perverse inter-species relationship” that gives it away? 😆

I’ve little against most animals, but I do think owners of pets should be responsible in their keeping.
Like keeping dogs on leads for example.
Again, this is a simplified view.
There are fenced areas near me for the specific purpose of letting dogs run about freely, which I have no problem with.

why dont we eat all the animals, then thnis wouldfn’t be a problem

I’ve been doing my best to achieve this for years.

But I can’t do it on my own, some of you aren’t pulling your weight !

Yeah, no horses on the roads. Or walkers. Or children. Or tractors. Or buses. Or livestock. Or wild animals. Or cyclists. Or… anything that makes me drive with care, attention and restricted speed.

If you see someone riding a horse on the road, slow down, pass wide, don’t be a dick.

By the parking?

Genius. Hurty laughing.

It’s sudden movements and unexpected noises that spook horses (and riders)

This is largely true. In all the years I’ve been out on public highways on bikes and in cars, I’ve only witnessed horses out of control twice.
And one of those occasions the culprit was me, and the horse wasn’t actually out of control itself, I came up behind the horse and called out “hello, is it ok to come past?”, at which point the horse shied, but was back under control very quickly.
I apologised, but the rider said, no, no need to do that, it was her fault, she’d been miles away, and I’d made her jump! In doing so she’d jerked the reins, and made the horse react.
The second occasion was on the Sustrans path from Chippenham to Calne, which the Council has allowed horses to use. One evening I saw a horse in front react badly to a low-flying Chinook, and it took off at a gallop, narrowly missing a couple of youngsters on bikes, with the rider clearly barely able to stay on board, let alone control the animal.
He only stopped when he got to the road and the horse couldn’t go any further due to the fence and gate.

don’t be a dick.

A lesson for all of life not just passing horses…

I view it as a long game, a very long game based on simple sustainability.

Cars will inevitably cease to be the default mode of transport for the dribbling masses eventually, switch em’ to the lectrickery, make them driverless, sooner or later the dwindling resources to make and fuel the bastard things and the resounding lack of joy in sitting in such shite boxes will be enough to marginalise persistent users.

Thats when those with (currently) “alternative” tastes in road transport will be able to laud it over the clarksonites…

Until then just smile, nod and post pictures of Audis parked in houses…

please odnt post pics of my car and house

As it happens, roads were NOT actually built for cars…

Roads were not built for cars

MP Sir Ernest Soares told parliament in 1903: “Motorists are in the position of statutary trespassers on the road … roads were never made for motor-cars. Those who designed them and laid them out never thought of motor-cars.”

and to be honest, we’d all be a whole lot better off if we all drove a lot less…

Ironically enough I passed a horse and trap this morning. The handler was on foot, getting it turned around at the side of the road, leading the horse by the bit.

Car in front of me passed it way too close, horse got a little spooked but the guy kept good hold of it.

I irritated the driver behind me (a meter from my back bumper) by braking and going into the other lane to go wide and slow past it. 😀
Wasn’t too hard. Added maybe fifteen seconds to our journey time.

Wasn’t too hard. Added maybe fifteen seconds to our journey time.

Pretty meaningless statement, for all we know you could drive like molgrips. 😆

Added maybe fifteen seconds to our journey time.

that’s a lifetime for some though

edit: was a learner driver for me. because I was 3 cars back, and holding back from the 2 cars in front that were –><– that far way from a 3 car shunt, apparently it was me that was holding up the traffic. he might have been 1 whole traffic light phase late for work.

Yeah I never understand that mentality.

Big line of traffic pootling along in front, clearly nowhere to go, but the driver behind still insists on rubbing bumpers. Presumably they are encouraging me to teleport out of the way?

Leaving a proper safe gap. Another good reason for periodic re-tests.

its the same mentality that makes people pull crazy overtaking manoeuvres on cyclists so that they can then slam on the brakes 30ft later for the red light 😕

Everybody seems to be in a hurry to get to the end of a queue (more urban than rural I accept). I guess that’s a life of making progress. 🙂

Big line of traffic pootling along in front, clearly nowhere to go, but the driver behind still insists on rubbing bumpers. Presumably they are encouraging me to teleport out of the way?

*honks horn*

Get outta da way!

Yeah I suspect that being a cyclist opens your eyes a bit to these things.

I had a nasty mechanical in the car last night: rear passenger-side suspension spring snapped (ooft!)

So I crawled it the mile or so back to the car park at 15mph (on a 40mph road) with my hazards on, carefully avoiding bumps and waving people past.
Ended up with a lorry behind me, obviously annoyed and sat right on my bumper. When I turned off (after he was “stuck” behind me for maybe a minute) he was tooting his horn and giving me the coffee beans. 🙄

at least you did limp it back, have noticed a disturbing trend over recent years of people having breakdowns and just stopping their car where it is, sticking the hazards on and calling the recovery service, no attempt to push or limp to a safer/less in the way location 😕

has anybody read this since they past their test?

free to read via this link
https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/highway-code
I’m seriously considering riding one these soon

then see how many people complain about the “lack of road tax”

has anybody read this since they past their test?

I think most people regard it as some archaic purely theoretical thing that they had to learn for their test, but which doesn’t really apply to real driving.

have noticed a disturbing trend over recent years of people having breakdowns and just stopping their car where it is,

for minor bumps too, mid morning commute roads absolutely rammed and a couple of drivers having a chat in the middle of traffic.

I could see the point of getting a couple of snaps of the cars in situ before pulling over but these people always just seem to be exchanging details in the middle of rush hour traffic