Brexit 2020+

Just look at the register of interests for the ones honest enough to declare their bribes interests

Add to that all the money channeled thru third parties and the nod and wink arrangements of you look after us now and we will look after you later

the corruption at Westminster is horrendous

Check out such people as Ashcroft, Steven Brine, Mark Simmonds.

Hancock relentless promotes a outfit called Babylon who ( under a differnt name) were given huge NHS contracts that failed and now Hancock wants to give them more

for more details look at
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/contents1921.htm

Liz Truss, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Kwasi Kwarteng, and Chris Skidmore wrote a document calling for 2/3 of the NHS to be privatised

Rees Mogg has extensive private health interests ( hidden and disguised) and has openly called for full scale privatisation

Look in kaiser Healthcare – a predatory american healthcare company with an incredibly bad reputation and look at the links with the tory party

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18255016.revealed-links-tory-mps-private-healthcare/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/03/healthcare-companies-links-tories-nhs-contracts

Check. Change. Go.

So there you have a great example of what I was talking about. Do one thing, talk as if doing the opposite. Make it harder to move goods and people… but have a three word catch phrase that ends in a nice dynamic Go to sound progressive and as if opening up opportunities to move you or your products.

Citation needed? Look at the people posting. TJ and Binners are… emotive but dannyh has been a rational voice of reason for as long as I can remember on this forum.

They know full-well that Brexit on top of Covid will deliver an economic collapse that will make the banking crisis look like a minor hiccup.

Eh, it’s more insidious than that.

They’re faced with a global pandemic and it’s played into their hands. Just when it seemed like brexit was about to have an excrement / air conditioning interface, all this broke and now they get to ignore it for a year before going “yeah, coronavirus” when it all goes to custard.

have a three word catch phrase that ends in a nice dynamic

It’s not like they don’t have previous.

red white and blue brexit
brexit means brexit
no deal is better than a bad deal
get brexit done

And many, many more.

Let’s get going!

…as they apply the brakes.

Cougar – yes I am emotive about this but that does not alter the truth – the tory corruption ( and in other parties to a lessor extent) is huge and hidden in plain sight

I am emotive because this causes huge suffering

Let’s get going on spending £93 million on telling everyone to get ready.

yes I am emotive about this but that does not alter the truth

Have to agree. Here is a past Conservative PM being emotive about the truth… and the people now calling the shots…

“The NHS is about as safe with them as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/05/john-major-nhs-risk-brexit-pythons-johnson-and-gove

but dannyh has been a rational voice of reason for as long as I can remember on this forum

<Blushes>

I’ve had my ranty moments too, but I like to think they have been OTT in terms of language rather than hyperbole in content.

In any case, I still haven’t really come to terms with how many people were swayed by populist bullshit to vote massively against their own interests in 2016. I still, almost literally, cannot believe it.

This disbelief, though, is outweighed by the realisation that was immediately apparent in 2016. Horrible, petty, nationalist, racist and xenophobic attitudes that I hoped had been mostly irradicated in all but a few nasty pieces of work, were in fact just below the surface in millions of people in this country. It still gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

That Leave harnessed these feeling to their own ends by manipulation of social media should come as no surprise. What surprised and dismayed me was the number of people who held hidden prejudices that were able to be exploited so easily.

We, as a country, are going to get tossed about like driftwood after 31st Dec. There are going to be casualties aplenty, but not amongst the architects of this disaster.

Brexit, for the few, is the heist of a lifetime.

^^^^^

And, I should mention, it is now too late to do anything about it.

Deadlines have passed, patience in europe is at an end.

Too late now.

And, I should mention, it is now too late to do anything about it.

Played for and got. C19 just enabled them a bit.

Pretty much everything about the current administration stinks. I’m constantly amazed that either (a) loads of people can’t see what’s going on in plain sight, or (b) they can see but don’t care, think it won’t affect them, or even think it’s a reasonable way to ‘run’ a country.

Were so far down the Trumpian rabbit hole…

EHIC going away, and roaming charges coming back.

Both were previously promised not to be impacted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-uk-travellers-eu-passport-insurance-pets-a9615276.html

What DannyH said (again)

Colournoise, there’s a massive swathe of people who can see what’s going on, or are at least willing to listen and look when it’s pointed out to them, but are powerless to do anything about it.

Let’s be honest – there’s f all we can do about this shower of ba5tards for the next 4 years. I wouldn’t be all that surprised if enough former Labour voters doubled down in the next election and they get another 5. 😟

Does anyone envisage the EU hardening its position after a no-deal?

I ask as my eldest will hopefully be starting uni in the autumn. She’s an Irish passport holder so I had casually always thought that would make working in the EU a non issue. I’m a little concerned that the EU may change the rules to residence rather than citizenship given the large numbers of UK residents applying for Irish and other EU passports.

Mulling if she would be better studying at an Irish or UK university.

No – holding an irish passport will mean you get treated as an irish citizen

Cheers TJ.

She’s an Irish passport holder so I had casually always thought that would make working in the EU a non issue

Mulling if she would be better studying at an Irish or UK university.

Is she looking at working outside the UK as part of a year abroad coordinated by the Uni? If so, in practical terms (having asked a few people involved in organising this stuff for Unis), far more is open to Irish Unis for the 2020/21 year, never mind in future, so she’d probably be better off there.

She’s an Irish passport holder so I had casually always thought that would make working in the EU a non issue.

Working may be fine but it may be concern that reciprocal health care is normal country of residence based so Irish citizenship won’t help on that.

Having both passports will help her employment wise though… in many ways she’ll have an advantage employment wise that she didn’t have before (or looking at it the other way around, that we all had before, but she isn’t losing) if looking to work somewhere other than Europe.

Oh, Christ! Gove is babbling away in parliament. We’ve got yet another 3 word Brexit slogan

Let’s get going!

I wish he ****ing would!

To summarise what he’s saying:

Everything we promised you definitely wouldn’t be happening, now is. Everything we promised you would continue uninterrupted and unchanged, now isn’t.

Clear?

Makes you wonder why Boris would come out with something controversial and headline grabbing about face masks on such an important day in the evolution of Brexit. Surely he’d want that triumph given the full attention of the national media and not have it sidelined by an argument over what to wear in Waitrose?

Arguing with someone on the internet who said he voted for Brexit so we could have control over our interest rates and laws, when challenged he admitted we did have control over our own interest rates and laws but we had to fight to get them. Also he seems to think that the EU are going to offer us a better import/export trade deal than we have now.
I know don’t argue with people but I honestly don’t get the level of denial and stupidity inherent in almost every leave voter.

Mandatory reading of 1984 by everyone over 60 …

Let’s get going… in Newspeak means… we’re doing everything we can to stop you going… including all the things we said we wouldn’t… you’d better act quick to minimise the disruption to you… we don’t know what that action could be… ask a customs facilitator, insurance company, vet… and don’t count how many times the word “may” still appears in any document we issue… we keep them in to taunt the previous PM, and her talk of frictionless trade and reciprocal deals on health and security… we want to see her squirm as we burn down everything.

Prepare for your irony filter to explode.

Brexiteer Tory Damian Green, MP for a constituency that voted massively for Brexit is complaining that all the new, previously unneccessary, border infrastructure now being added in his constituency will turn it into a lorry park

'It's unfair to Ashford… it will be hugely disruptive for everyone in the area'@DamianGreen speaks out against the government's plan for #Brexit holding centre catering for thousands of lorries

Read more: https://t.co/4qpe3TRHdG pic.twitter.com/ZMRLXinHWW

— Kentish Express (@KentishExpress) July 11, 2020

You really couldn’t make it up

Richard Tice on Radio4 talking up British kids picking fruit and veg… because they won’t have to pay the farmers to live on site the pay will effectively be more… jobs for thousands of young people who can’t get work… but where does he think they all live… ?

In 4 years time, none of the present Tory cabinet will still be ministers.

If this goes the way I think it will, I wouldn’t bet on >50% of them still living in the UK. And none of their nest eggs will be anywhere near the reach of any UK financial jurisdiction.

The money’s gone and there is no way they will risk any of their ill-gotten gains being taxed to pay for all the covid handouts.

The heist of a lifetime.

Richard Tice on Radio4 talking up British kids picking fruit and veg

I’ve just heard that. The detachment from reality of these clowns is so total, its terrifying.

He seriously thinks that all the people who’ve lost their jobs in all the industries that have been devastated by Covid are all just going to go and pick fruit in Norfolk instead

Unbelievable! No logistics issues you can envisage there then, Richard?

binners

He seriously thinks that all the people who’ve lost their jobs in all the industries that have been devastated by Covid are all just going to go and pick fruit in Norfolk instead

Unbelievable! No logistics issues you can envisage there then, Richard?

Maybe this is the real reason they dualled the A11 from the Barton Mills roundabout a few years back!? It was forward planning for the streams of British work for British Kids in Brexit Britain! #makesyouthink

Considering there had just been an article on about all the thousands of redundancies expected for staff serving the airline industry in Luton.

I take it he’ll be ‘doing a Tebbit’ advising them to ‘get on their bikes’. Luton to Norfolk really isn’t that far, is it? And like you said… with the A11 now being duel carriageway. Is there a cycle lane?

It wouldn’t surprise me if this time next year they’re doing exactly that. Telling unemployed people to move to Norfolk to pick fruit or lose their benefits

Richard Tice on Radio4 talking up British kids picking fruit and veg… because they won’t have to pay the farmers to live on site the pay will effectively be more… jobs for thousands of young people who can’t get work… but where does he think they all live… ?

Dotted around the villages of Lincolnshire of course, brexit supporting* mums n dads will love getting up at 3.30am and navigating the narrow country roads to drop their little uns off for their 5am start. It’s what take back control is all about. And only has to last a week as the kids will soon get bored (sorry for the lazy generational stereotyping)

*Statistically more likely

They could all camp. It’d be like a sort of festival. They’d love it

They could all camp. It’d be like a sort of festival. They’d love it

Foodstock

Glastonberry

Monsters of Rocket

Cabbage Patch Kids.

Also heard Tice on R4 blathering on about fruit picking.
When asked about the impact of Patel’s statement on the care sector he was completely incapable of commenting rationally; attempting to draw comparisons with 150 years of industrialisation – wtf?
This will be much more economically destructive than any of us could have imagined.
I hope someone is keeping a record of all the statements, promises and commitments made by johnson and the clown circus for comparison with the actuality; to include anticipated/forecast costs and the real out-turn.
Would hate to be in first half of my life staring into the economic abyss which I would have to endure for decades to come.
UK is a fading ex-colonial power but still had considerable soft power influence; are becoming the US’ poodle.
Now…no influence, no status, increasingly seen as a non-entity in most regards with intelligence gathering being a notable exception.

“Let’s get going”

Means “when you have to work yourself to a standstill to get your employer out of the shit post-covid (and your oppo has been made redundant but there is still as much work to do) then get used to it because it will have to continue indefinitely due to the totally unnecessary bollocks that is Brexit”.

“But I’m alright Jack because I’m being bonussed on this by my future employers”.

They’re going to use ‘getting the economy back on its feet post-covid’ as a catch-all for dismantling standards, protections and workers’ rights. Their hope is that the populace is too busy fighting like rats in a sack for the decreasing number of jobs to notice the actual ‘why’ of that is happening.