Brexit 2020+

Citation needed? Look at the people posting. TJ and Binners are... emotive but dannyh has been a rational voice of reason for as long as I can remember on this forum.

They know full-well that Brexit on top of Covid will deliver an economic collapse that will make the banking crisis look like a minor hiccup.

Eh, it's more insidious than that.

They're faced with a global pandemic and it's played into their hands. Just when it seemed like brexit was about to have an excrement / air conditioning interface, all this broke and now they get to ignore it for a year before going "yeah, coronavirus" when it all goes to custard.

have a three word catch phrase that ends in a nice dynamic

It's not like they don't have previous.

red white and blue brexit
brexit means brexit
no deal is better than a bad deal
get brexit done

And many, many more.

Let’s get going!

…as they apply the brakes.

Cougar - yes I am emotive about this but that does not alter the truth - the tory corruption ( and in other parties to a lessor extent) is huge and hidden in plain sight

I am emotive because this causes huge suffering

Let's get going on spending £93 million on telling everyone to get ready.

yes I am emotive about this but that does not alter the truth

Have to agree. Here is a past Conservative PM being emotive about the truth… and the people now calling the shots…

“The NHS is about as safe with them as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/05/john-major-nhs-risk-brexit-pythons-johnson-and-gove

but dannyh has been a rational voice of reason for as long as I can remember on this forum

<Blushes>

I've had my ranty moments too, but I like to think they have been OTT in terms of language rather than hyperbole in content.

In any case, I still haven't really come to terms with how many people were swayed by populist bullshit to vote massively against their own interests in 2016. I still, almost literally, cannot believe it.

This disbelief, though, is outweighed by the realisation that was immediately apparent in 2016. Horrible, petty, nationalist, racist and xenophobic attitudes that I hoped had been mostly irradicated in all but a few nasty pieces of work, were in fact just below the surface in millions of people in this country. It still gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

That Leave harnessed these feeling to their own ends by manipulation of social media should come as no surprise. What surprised and dismayed me was the number of people who held hidden prejudices that were able to be exploited so easily.

We, as a country, are going to get tossed about like driftwood after 31st Dec. There are going to be casualties aplenty, but not amongst the architects of this disaster.

Brexit, for the few, is the heist of a lifetime.

^^^^^

And, I should mention, it is now too late to do anything about it.

Deadlines have passed, patience in europe is at an end.

Too late now.

And, I should mention, it is now too late to do anything about it.

Played for and got. C19 just enabled them a bit.

Pretty much everything about the current administration stinks. I'm constantly amazed that either (a) loads of people can't see what's going on in plain sight, or (b) they can see but don't care, think it won't affect them, or even think it's a reasonable way to 'run' a country.

Were so far down the Trumpian rabbit hole...

EHIC going away, and roaming charges coming back.

Both were previously promised not to be impacted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-uk-travellers-eu-passport-insurance-pets-a9615276.html

What DannyH said (again)

Colournoise, there's a massive swathe of people who can see what's going on, or are at least willing to listen and look when it's pointed out to them, but are powerless to do anything about it.

Let's be honest - there's f all we can do about this shower of ba5tards for the next 4 years. I wouldn't be all that surprised if enough former Labour voters doubled down in the next election and they get another 5. 😟

Does anyone envisage the EU hardening its position after a no-deal?

I ask as my eldest will hopefully be starting uni in the autumn. She's an Irish passport holder so I had casually always thought that would make working in the EU a non issue. I'm a little concerned that the EU may change the rules to residence rather than citizenship given the large numbers of UK residents applying for Irish and other EU passports.

Mulling if she would be better studying at an Irish or UK university.

No - holding an irish passport will mean you get treated as an irish citizen

Cheers TJ.

She’s an Irish passport holder so I had casually always thought that would make working in the EU a non issue

Mulling if she would be better studying at an Irish or UK university.

Is she looking at working outside the UK as part of a year abroad coordinated by the Uni? If so, in practical terms (having asked a few people involved in organising this stuff for Unis), far more is open to Irish Unis for the 2020/21 year, never mind in future, so she’d probably be better off there.

She’s an Irish passport holder so I had casually always thought that would make working in the EU a non issue.

Working may be fine but it may be concern that reciprocal health care is normal country of residence based so Irish citizenship won’t help on that.

Having both passports will help her employment wise though… in many ways she’ll have an advantage employment wise that she didn’t have before (or looking at it the other way around, that we all had before, but she isn’t losing) if looking to work somewhere other than Europe.

Oh, Christ! Gove is babbling away in parliament. We've got yet another 3 word Brexit slogan

Let's get going!

I wish he ****ing would!

To summarise what he's saying:

Everything we promised you definitely wouldn't be happening, now is. Everything we promised you would continue uninterrupted and unchanged, now isn't.

Clear?

Makes you wonder why Boris would come out with something controversial and headline grabbing about face masks on such an important day in the evolution of Brexit. Surely he'd want that triumph given the full attention of the national media and not have it sidelined by an argument over what to wear in Waitrose?

Arguing with someone on the internet who said he voted for Brexit so we could have control over our interest rates and laws, when challenged he admitted we did have control over our own interest rates and laws but we had to fight to get them. Also he seems to think that the EU are going to offer us a better import/export trade deal than we have now.
I know don't argue with people but I honestly don't get the level of denial and stupidity inherent in almost every leave voter.

Mandatory reading of 1984 by everyone over 60 …

Let’s get going… in Newspeak means… we’re doing everything we can to stop you going… including all the things we said we wouldn’t… you’d better act quick to minimise the disruption to you… we don’t know what that action could be… ask a customs facilitator, insurance company, vet… and don’t count how many times the word “may” still appears in any document we issue… we keep them in to taunt the previous PM, and her talk of frictionless trade and reciprocal deals on health and security… we want to see her squirm as we burn down everything.

Prepare for your irony filter to explode.

Brexiteer Tory Damian Green, MP for a constituency that voted massively for Brexit is complaining that all the new, previously unneccessary, border infrastructure now being added in his constituency will turn it into a lorry park

https://twitter.com/KentishExpress/status/1281913410960138240?s=20

You really couldn't make it up

Richard Tice on Radio4 talking up British kids picking fruit and veg... because they won't have to pay the farmers to live on site the pay will effectively be more... jobs for thousands of young people who can't get work... but where does he think they all live... ?

In 4 years time, none of the present Tory cabinet will still be ministers.

If this goes the way I think it will, I wouldn't bet on >50% of them still living in the UK. And none of their nest eggs will be anywhere near the reach of any UK financial jurisdiction.

The money's gone and there is no way they will risk any of their ill-gotten gains being taxed to pay for all the covid handouts.

The heist of a lifetime.

Richard Tice on Radio4 talking up British kids picking fruit and veg

I've just heard that. The detachment from reality of these clowns is so total, its terrifying.

He seriously thinks that all the people who've lost their jobs in all the industries that have been devastated by Covid are all just going to go and pick fruit in Norfolk instead

Unbelievable! No logistics issues you can envisage there then, Richard?

binners

He seriously thinks that all the people who’ve lost their jobs in all the industries that have been devastated by Covid are all just going to go and pick fruit in Norfolk instead

Unbelievable! No logistics issues you can envisage there then, Richard?

Maybe this is the real reason they dualled the A11 from the Barton Mills roundabout a few years back!? It was forward planning for the streams of British work for British Kids in Brexit Britain! #makesyouthink

Considering there had just been an article on about all the thousands of redundancies expected for staff serving the airline industry in Luton.

I take it he'll be 'doing a Tebbit' advising them to 'get on their bikes'. Luton to Norfolk really isn't that far, is it? And like you said... with the A11 now being duel carriageway. Is there a cycle lane?

It wouldn't surprise me if this time next year they're doing exactly that. Telling unemployed people to move to Norfolk to pick fruit or lose their benefits

Richard Tice on Radio4 talking up British kids picking fruit and veg… because they won’t have to pay the farmers to live on site the pay will effectively be more… jobs for thousands of young people who can’t get work… but where does he think they all live… ?

Dotted around the villages of Lincolnshire of course, brexit supporting* mums n dads will love getting up at 3.30am and navigating the narrow country roads to drop their little uns off for their 5am start. It's what take back control is all about. And only has to last a week as the kids will soon get bored (sorry for the lazy generational stereotyping)

*Statistically more likely

They could all camp. It'd be like a sort of festival. They'd love it

They could all camp. It’d be like a sort of festival. They’d love it

Foodstock

Glastonberry

Monsters of Rocket

Cabbage Patch Kids.

Also heard Tice on R4 blathering on about fruit picking.
When asked about the impact of Patel's statement on the care sector he was completely incapable of commenting rationally; attempting to draw comparisons with 150 years of industrialisation - wtf?
This will be much more economically destructive than any of us could have imagined.
I hope someone is keeping a record of all the statements, promises and commitments made by johnson and the clown circus for comparison with the actuality; to include anticipated/forecast costs and the real out-turn.
Would hate to be in first half of my life staring into the economic abyss which I would have to endure for decades to come.
UK is a fading ex-colonial power but still had considerable soft power influence; are becoming the US' poodle.
Now...no influence, no status, increasingly seen as a non-entity in most regards with intelligence gathering being a notable exception.

"Let's get going"

Means "when you have to work yourself to a standstill to get your employer out of the shit post-covid (and your oppo has been made redundant but there is still as much work to do) then get used to it because it will have to continue indefinitely due to the totally unnecessary bollocks that is Brexit".

"But I'm alright Jack because I'm being bonussed on this by my future employers".

They're going to use 'getting the economy back on its feet post-covid' as a catch-all for dismantling standards, protections and workers' rights. Their hope is that the populace is too busy fighting like rats in a sack for the decreasing number of jobs to notice the actual 'why' of that is happening.

UK is a fading ex-colonial power but still had considerable soft power influence

Yep, and the key to it was to insulate ourselves from full-world market influences by being in 'clubs' like the EU - seeking to keep standards up and avoid a race to the bottom against countries that have populations who will work for far less because they have to.

Does anyone envisage the EU hardening its position after a no-deal?

Yes, after much provocation, they'll have to.

Remember that after 31st Dec this bunch of clowns have less and less room for manoeuvre, so they will start to take the piss. I reckon they'll use the Irish Republic like Khrushchev bragged about using West Berlin as the 'testicles' of the west. "When I want something I just squeeze" type of thing.

There'll be issues all over, smuggling, chaos at ports and they're going to try to make out that EU intransigence is to blame.

Eventually the rabble will make us so impossible to deal with that the EU will just say "oh just piss off then".

Barnier is constantly ratcheting up his willingness to publicly show disdain for the UK. He has to, he has to look after the interests of the EU. We're the ones who kicked our friends in the balls.

The EU will now begin to treat the UK like a piece of shit on the sole of their shoe; something to get rid of quickly and without ceremony but the smell will linger for a while.

Does anyone envisage the EU hardening its position after a no-deal?

It’s already happening. They’ve had enough of our shit. And who can blame them.

They know that this lot want to establish the UK as a tax haven off the shores of the EU and drive down costs by jettisoning all EU. legislation to create a filthy, polluting, unregulated sweatshop to undercut its neighbours

Why the hell should they help us do that?

There will be zero concessions from the EU

The only hope we’ve got is that Boris, spineless bastard that he is, will bottle it (again) and fold (again) at the eleventh hour and accept regulatory alignment (while letting him call it something else) as a price for access to the single market

Otherwise we are well and truly ****ed!

The only hope we’ve got is that Boris, spineless bastard that he is, will bottle it (again) and fold (again) at the eleventh hour and accept regulatory alignment (while letting him call it something else) as a price for access to the single market

That's not what the sharks are paying them to deliver, though.

Any hint of regulatory alignment and bang go their post-politics lives of luxury.

I know it’s probably wishful thinking on my behalf but what might save us is Johnson’s ridiculous vanity and narcissism.

He’s never believed in Brexit. It was just a means to an end. He knows what damage a no deal Brexit will do.

Does he want to go down as the PM who totally ****ed the UK economy? Seeing as he imagines himself as Winston Churchill?

So his vanity and egotism is, somewhat ironically (as it’s what got us into this mess in the first place), our only hope.

The only hope we’ve got is that Boris, spineless bastard that he is, will bottle it (again) and fold (again) at the eleventh hour and accept regulatory alignment (while letting him call it something else) as a price for access to the single market

Brexit is now set in law, only a parliamentary reprieve will call it off and Boris, because he's so spineless, will never do that.

I remained hopeful that he'd call for an extension due to Covid but actually Covid and the associated wrecking of the economy in advance of Brexit (as well as the complete distraction that it's provided) has actually given added impetus to it all.

Anyway, Boris isn't in charge, it's Dominic Cummings and the Russian paymasters.

Does he want to go down as the PM who totally ****ed the UK economy? Seeing as he imagines himself as Winston Churchill?

Any and all damage to the economy can be blamed on Covid. Also the "bounceback" and the "rebuild" can be used as an excuse to rip up all the environmental protections, workers rights and checks/balances in the name of getting the economy going again.

Bonfire of red tape.

https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1282707248406581254

When Boris said “**** business!” He really did mean it, didn’t he?

The whole of Kent is just going to be one enormous lorry park on January 1st

Absolutely. This is my favourite though, 'customs declarations are complicated'.

How we have fallen from 'easiest deal in history'.

https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1282764371869958146

I know it’s probably wishful thinking on my behalf but what might save us is Johnson’s ridiculous vanity and narcissism.

He’s never believed in Brexit. It was just a means to an end. He knows what damage a no deal Brexit will do.

Does he want to go down as the PM who totally ****ed the UK economy? Seeing as he imagines himself as Winston Churchill?

So his vanity and egotism is, somewhat ironically (as it’s what got us into this mess in the first place), our only hope.

He signed the contract. He knows what is up for grabs. It is too late.

Johnson, fat, oafish, ****less, lazy pillock that he is, didn't expect to bloody win. The muppet.

He wanted a narrow loss, so he could get the leadership as a 'People's Champion' who could bang the nationalist drum with a safety net of not actually having to do anything.

But he will have known who he was getting into bed with. Winning the referendum wasn't what he wanted, but there are no actual consequences for him anyway, so well.......who gives a shit?

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He signed the contract.

To be fair though, this is Boris Johnson, unless it was signed in his own blood on the skin of Dominic Cummings it doesn't count for a thing

To be fair though, this is Boris Johnson, unless it was signed in his own blood on the skin of Dominic Cummings it doesn’t count for a thing

Serious people a layer or two down, though.

It is the same throughout history when it comes to organised wrongdoing. Don't focus on the functionaries, don't focus on the ones who go around doing the enforcing. Concentrate on the ones raking in the cash.

When even a Brexiteer dimwit like Liz Truss is saying ‘hang on a minute chaps, this ‘no deal’ thing might actually not be that great an idea’ you know that we really are ****ed

Dom will now sack her for pointing out the emperors new clothes, obviously

https://twitter.com/richardgcorbett/status/1282072960170364929?s=21

[strong]binners[/strong] wrote:

The whole of Kent is just going to be one enormous lorry park on January 1st

currently trending on Twitter as #FarageGarage 🙂

Make them own it.