(alu) Santa Cruz Heckler or Bronson?
I have an alu Bronson. However, I started out wanting a Heckler do demoed that and also a SOLO at same time. I was so impressed by the VPP over the single pivot that I ended up opting for the bronson purely as it offered more travel for an upcoming lake garda trip.
Personally I find the VPP excellent compared to single pivot, which was also very good. I have pikes on front and fox ctd FIT kash on the back.
Honourablegeorge – do you have a link to that group test you mention?Posted 3 years ago
you won’t have either long enough to tell….
Completely different bikes (based on riding 2 x 26″ hecklers and 26″ LTc) the ride under VPP is just different, feels like the back is glued to the floor and getting it off the ground is a different approach. I find the VPP version a lot more efficient and much better for getting out the saddle and cranking/sprinting.
They are also 2 bikes you can turn up and demo at SC demo days. So before parting with cash go and ride both. I did a nomad and Blur back to back in the lakes a few years back thanks to Jungle and the nice guys at Biketreks (free cake too)Posted 3 years ago
The alu bronson is excellent IMHO. Although haven’t yet ridden the carbon version, there is only 1.5lbs of difference in frame weight. OH gets his carbon one this week hopefully so that may be the catalyst for me to sell the alu frame and get a carbon. Initially I didn’t get a carbon because I was worried about breaking it in falls (currently sporting a broken elbow from a crash 12 days ago). Apparently very strong except if specific hits all concentrated in one place. Kinda convinced myself being stupid on that front since my carbon bars stand up to all sorts and not a mark on them.
On the VPP v single pivot, OH has a Five. Night and day between the pedalling efficiency for that versus VPP. would also say the same about giant maestro platform. My previous bike was a giant trance x1, an okay bike with great spec for the money; pedalled well but shit on descents with really steep head angle. On technical climbs didn’t find it as well balanced as the bronson, back wheel would often spin out and front end lifted a lot. I found it impossible to fully weight both wheels at the same time although don’t have this problem at all with the bronson.Posted 3 years ago
Hmmm..interesting point. There has been a CCDBA CS sitting in my front room for the last two weeks awaiting fixture to a bronson…..unfortunately not my bronson, but the impending carbon one.
The orange five we have has the 2014 fox float 34 CTD FIT with trail adjust, kashmina coating etc. Massive difference between that and the VPP. I’m not sure a decent shock would make enough difference. I think the key thing about the VPP is that the centre of gravity moves, unlike a single pivot where all the forces go through the same place, hence the pedal bob or inefficiency.Posted 3 years ago
Thaat’s kind of my point – traction/pedal efficiency are all things that shocks like the CCDBA claim to deliver. Wondering how close to Bronson performance you can get on a Heckler with a shock upgrade.
Why not put a CCDBA CS on a VPP and have it all and more?Posted 3 years ago
That’s what i’m looking at doing with my TB Ltc.ChipbuttySubscriber
I recently bought an Alloy Solo frame. Had a Orange 5 and a Heckler previously. The VPP I find so much better on the technical climbs, seems to keep the rear wheel planted on the rough stuff. Just been riding round Torridon today, and the Solo climbed sections the Heckler and 5 used to struggle on cleaning without slipping and taking a dab.
If you can afford the extra for VPP, I would defo go for Bronson.
Cheeky little pick from this morn 😉
Posted 3 years ago
Why not put a CCDBA CS on a VPP and have it all and more?
There is probably a point where it’s not adding much. The rear Fox CTD lost it’s C/T/D on my LT, apart from the properly locked out climbing mode it was hard to tell when riding as it didn’t really need it.
Where the CCDB may make a big difference in a bike that needs a great shock to work well the return may be a lot less on other frames and just relegate you to the “I would have been so much better if I had put another click of low speed unicorn damping on before that section”Posted 3 years ago
JCL do the 4 bar links etc out there work as VPP with the wheel movement etc?
As far as I know and can find this morning the only “true” vpp users are SC & Intense. The others may be similar but are not VPP.
the real suggestion though is before going on about compromised by marketing is to go and try both these bikes are they are some of the easiest to demo in the UK that I found.Posted 3 years agoJCLMember
Yeah anything that has an axle path that doesn’t follow a single point arc (single pivot) is technically considered a VPP.
The difference is SC and Intense use counter rotating links which do alter axle path trajectories more than the bikes I mentioned. Whether that’s a good or bad thing is up for debate!
Ultimately you’re right. Riding is the best test.Posted 3 years ago
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