Great result but I don't understand the numbers. How can you have an average power of 3.4 W/kg yet 95% of your 20 minute power puts you at 2.7 W/kg?

This is not meant as a dig, I would just like to understand how Zwift Power works these things out.

It's bonkers when you look.

2 races in past few weeks it shows me at 2.8w/kg average... then it shows your 20 min power... 1 was 304w, the other 270w.... Well how can they have the same average/FTP if the powers are different ? lol

Dunno, but for me to average 3.4w/kg I'd need to be up around 380w. If only that were true

This coming Jan and Feb though, it's all about rule 9

I've cracked 🙁

Last night riding down dark slushy roads into a freezing sleety headwind wasn't that much fun. Also my power meter on my training bike has died, I don't think it liked the cold and wet much either! Today it's wet, windy and cold. I shall be zwifting. Might even do WBR at half one.

lol already ?

lol already ?

Not done too badly so far this winter, had some pretty grim rides 🙂

And if I didn't want to do some specific power stuff today, which I now can't do outdoors until I faff around changing power meters over, I might just have gone out.

Just looking back at a race I did last Friday Zwift Power seems to have changed all the results as well. I've now been demoted from 7th to 13th and some riders who I think were previously in Group B have now shuffled down to Group C.

How can you trust any of the Zwift Power data at the moment?

forzafkawi - Member
Just looking back at a race I did last Friday Zwift Power seems to have changed all the results as well. I've now been demoted from 7th to 13th and some riders who I think were previously in Group B have now shuffled down to Group C.

How can you trust any of the Zwift Power data at the moment?

You can't.

A few weeks ago i won 5 C races on the bounce, along with a silver.. .they now range from 1 win, to a 15th... WTF... LOL. It's all over the place really. But i try not to worry too much.

To answer the question of the difference between average power and the 20min avg. Apparently as my race was under 20mins ZP uses a modifier percentage based on the time of effort. No idea what any of that means but that's what it does.

I'm happy with 1st place so I'm not going to check again as ignorance is bliss

muggomagic - Member
I'm happy with 1st place so I'm not going to check again as ignorance is bliss

It does have a habit at times of depressing you with some results, then perking you back up with others does Zwiftpower/CVR.... I wonder sometimes if i'm the only person who cares in the whole world...

Then happily i come here and some of you care too 🙂

If i'm not alone, then i'm not quite insane 🙂

Weeksy, you do care too much about Zwiftpower and CVR points.

I can say that because I have more points than you.

I can say that because I have more points than you

Most people have more than me 🙂

It was only a 15minute race so I assume as someone else above has said they make a calculation to come up with the 20min.
If I lose a kg I'll be a B. I might have to eat well over Xmas to maintain my C status :0)

Can you now win races with "ZP". I didn't think you could but I came second to a guy on ZwiftPower who had it next to his ride?

https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=31772

finally got to do a hilly race which is where I do ok in real life. Loved it. Wish there were more but I guess for most it is nt so much fun and no weight checks would make cheating rife.

Not according to their FAQ! Haven't actually used raced or used ZP though since they changed so no idea what's going on these days!

Does it depend on the race promoters T&Cs?

Also don't say much as it was a Russian race "won" by a Russian ;0)

One of the reasons ZHQ have been slow to adopt racing was slipped out during a Zwiftcast once where Jon Mayfield basically said that it's so flakey that it's not worthy of being called a fair race. What's going on on your screen could be different than on the guy you are racing againsts screen even!

Similarly, when guys have run two Avatars/log ins on two separate machines from the same power source, the two racers ended up in completely different parts of the bunch! That shows the pack dynamics are highly randomised too.

Just the other week, Eric Minn said that despite the eCrit success, Zwift racing was so far away from being an Esport because 'there's no skill in it!'

So by all means race your hearts out. Enjoy those moments when you go Mano v Mano up a climb and get the same rush as in a real race and keep an amusing eye on your CVR/ZP/finishing screen results but with the new CVR algorithm coming soon and all the problems that have beset Zwift racing in reaching this point- I would keep a healthy dose of scepticism in hand for when you start to get sucked in!

The Zwift effect is real though- I would never have raced a real life Crit without it that's for certain.

Similarly, when guys have run two Avatars/log ins on two separate machines from the same power source, the two racers ended up in completely different parts of the bunch! That shows the pack dynamics are highly randomised too

I've had weirdness with dropouts once or twice but otherwise I'm certain that the biggest variable is riders' reported weights (or maybe other cleverer fiddles)

I started on a dumb Tacx Turbo that wasn't on Zwifts list so I picked the one that seemed to match by comparing online power curves.
Funniest day was when my son had been around during warmup and clicked the resistance setting up without me noticing. I got dropped in no time 😆
When I realised, I literally just clicked it back down to 1 on the lever and caught up at like 350w before clicking it back to setting 4 😆

Same with my first Kickr Snap. It was momentarily losing braking (as the fault developed it was obvious but initially it was very subtle) especially during sprints. This over-run would cause the acceleration effect part of the algorithm to think I was Cav and I remember Nathan Guerra going nuts over a 2000w sprint I 'did' 😆

Later, I smashed a mountain race, cruising past B riders as the tiny braking dropouts inflated my average power.

I guess what I'm saying is, don't read to much into any of it! Until the day you reach a live final or find yourself outdoors alongside them, it's fun but not an exact science yet 😉 🙂

I've got a mate who has a Tacx Booster trainer and a Kinetic Rock & Roller. Zwift recommends using the Tacx on resistance level 2 but he knows that it is way too easy on that setting compared to the fluid resistance Kinetic and he runs it on level 3.

Relatively easy I would say for people with a magnetic resistance trainer to either fiddle or just legitamately get it wrong.

I tried to up my cadence a bit today in a hilly 4 lapper. Got my average up to 69rpm and was pretty much bob on my FTP over the race (it hurt, real bad)

I really need to work on my 1min/5min power so i can stay with a break up a hill. Main problem with that is my BeerHawk advent calendar and commuting.

8th again though, still the fattest A by at least 7KG 😉

Woo just noticed my TT race I did the other week is showing on Zwiftpower now 🙂

https://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=27660

Not sure on that average power though 😆

I'd always assume that the reality of what you see on the screen could be wrong. But my evidence of finishing positions would appear to be right. Guy in front of me on the last race was there and just catching him up at the line and there were 2 behind catching me. Couldn't be 100% sure they are the exact same names behind but the results and times reflect this. As did my previous 2 other races. That's not to say it's always going to be right but so far my experience of it is accurate (enough).

Now do a Strava flyby and all three are ahead of me for the entire race and finish before me. But that's flakey in real life rides.

Yeah, I think they have improved it a lot. Previously, Zwift Power's 'watchers' were deemed more accurate than the Zwift results screen - hence why KISS races had them turned off. They basically got fed up of people asking why there was a discrepancy.

Then Zwift re-jigged things and I believe ZP use the same data now.

I just think investing too much emotional energy into the results/rankings as they stand isn't worth it.

There's a new Zwiftcast out and Frank Garcia was on there.
He sees a business in amongst his CVR plans somewhere. They've already set up paid training plans with Hunter Allen and Peaks Coaching group but I don't quite see where a racing revenue is coming from? Zwift would never allow an entry fee to be levied surely? And he seems not to have any sponsors on board?

There's also some controversy over whether him creating a business from Zwift based activity at all violates the end user agreement?

He said that he sees his race as more of a Road Racing series than Zwifts own ECrit series hence the route choices.

Interestingly too, Simon referred to the ECrit as the 'Zwift-Kiss' ECrit. I may be reading too much into it but it hinted at a more formal partnership between the two.

Im nursing both a bloody sore hand after the weekend along with a bit of a hangover too from last night, so i'm going to have a gentle one today... Cat D type social cruise at 10.40am.

So by all means race your hearts out. Enjoy those moments when you go Mano v Mano up a climb and get the same rush as in a real race and keep an amusing eye on your CVR/ZP/finishing screen results but with the new CVR algorithm coming soon and all the problems that have beset Zwift racing in reaching this point- I would keep a healthy dose of scepticism in hand for when you start to get sucked in!

Well said. It is easy to get sucked in though. I really pushed harder than I could do on a dumb trainer. Following moves, counter attacking and spinning like fury on the way down.

I'm waiting for the Grand tour series where you have individual race wins, leaders jerseys, sprinters jerseys, climbers jerseys, team leaders spceialists and the like over a series of races. It will happen one day...

I like to think that [i]most[/I] riders on Zwift aren't knowingly cheating (bar maybe a bit of mild weight-doping which I don't have a problem with!) You don't actually see too many people on non-smart trainers now either. Either way it doesn't bother me, as my opponents being faster merely pushes me to try harder!!

Obviously at the top level where money, etc is involved they're going to have to come up with ways of tightening things up (more from an accuracy of results POV, obviously there's ZADA to hopefully prevent people from outright cheating!)

I like to think that most riders on Zwift aren't knowingly cheating

You have to treat it as a bit of fun and not a sport with a level playing field as you have no idea about anyone else's setup.

I can be 10 watts quicker or slower depending on whether i take the measurement from the crank or from the hub. I can be a quicker for longer if I use two big fans instead of one. Power depends on position, do people ride in one that is turbo power making optimised, or one that is representative of a decent position for going fast on road. I can make more power if I turn off the FCE control and ride without the variability. And most probably have no idea of the accuracy of their power measurement unless they have many PM's that they can compare or have had it properly calibrated.

bar maybe a bit of mild weight-doping which I don't have a problem with

I doubt many hop on a set of scales before a race and enter that weight into Zwift, which would probably be the right thing to do to account for hydration. But then I wonder how much you lose over the course of a sweaty race. And how accurate are those bathroom scales? Probably not very accurate given some of the bike weights people quote having measured on their bathroom scales 😉

You have to treat it as a bit of fun and not a sport with a level playing field as you have no idea about anyone else's setup.

I have some of those Withings wifi scales, you can link it to Zwift so it automatically updates your rider weight whenever you step on it! (Not actually bothered to do that yet though!) But as you say, even that doesn't guarantee accuracy.

I just think investing too much emotional energy into the results/rankings as they stand isn't worth it.

You're not stopping me telling EVERYONE I know I WON a race ;0)

Ultimately it's a bit of fun and good training, as long as you put interval stuff in too ;0) but long term aim is to do some more closed circuit crit races next year to get up to CAT3 and a couple of target MTB events.

I use my months average weight for Zwift. Typically recording it 6-10 times a month. It can fluctuate daily so I don't see that being realistic. If I'm a kilo lighter one day than the next my performance will no doubt be worse due to dehydration anyway.

There’s a new CVR algarythm?!

Best get reading 😆

I don't think it's out yet Nath but is imminent apparently.

ZP points seem to be a thing now too but without a ranking number as such. I haven't seen word of the system behind them either?

Of course you get to tell them you won a race Tomlevell! You then get to quietly say 'Well, yeah that's true' as they pick holes in it 😆

I haven't found anyone who tried it that doesn't 'get' the buzz from a close Zwift race but for the many reasons mentioned, it's not worth sweating over results unless you're vying for a live final place in a series.
Its probably discussed up there somewhere ^^ but Quentin Lafaye was several KG heavier when he turned up to a live CVR race 😮 Still doesn't make him a deliberate cheat.....

chrisa87 - Member

Just joined the stw strava group after getting a good kick up the arse whilst having a mid interval dip. Cheers Keith Allen if you’re reading this!

Ha ha....bit late seeing this, but no problem!

Currently doing the FTP builder training which has loads of warm-up/rest bits in it (bit too much, perhaps) so I end up fiddling about with the mobile link app while resting & giving people ride ons etc....

Currently doing the FTP builder training which has loads of warm-up/rest bits in it (bit too much, perhaps) so I end up fiddling about with the mobile link app while resting & giving people ride ons etc....

Binned off the 4wk FTP builder yesterday (at start of week 3) - too many days off due to lurgi means I wouldn't get finished by Christmas, when I'll not be Zwifting (much!) for a couple of weeks probably. Plus I had got itchy legs & wanted to do a race yesterday 🙂

Still, I think it did me some good, so will possibly revisit in the new year (although not while/if I do the CVR league thing). Will certainly be adding a weekly interval workout sesh at the very least!

I just did the WBR 1-lapper of London. I kind of hope I am coming down with the lurgy, because that race was brutal.

scaredypants - Member

If that's the 4 week one, hold on tight for late wk 3 and wk 4

No, I'm doing the 10-12wk.
I skipped wk 1&2 as they suggested and am currently on wk 5. It's OK and will be interesting to see how much improvement there will be.
I might struggle to fit rides in over Christmas, but should be OK.

AWWWWW ^&^%%^%*%*%* $%&^*^**

1 lapper, finished raising a purchase order in work and got on with 1min 58 to race start, perfect for me.

Out with lead bunch in C as you'd now exepct. Up the hill first time and had to put in 5.+ which was OK so early on... Group of 15 went down to 8.... 7 fell off the back.

Over the line, onto full proper lap. Now a group of 8 including an old adversary ..GUTS, i know he's strong and i was giving him some banter on messages 🙂 HR was 155-160 which was fine..

About now, some geezer FLEW off the front with 6+... but he was on for a DQ so i told everyone to leave him anyway. But shouldn't have worried as by the time we hit Horseguards we'd picked him up again... Up the hill and i ended at the top in 4th of 8 i think.. On towards the line we'd strung out and took big efforts from me and 1 other to close on GUTS and someone else.... but around the roundabout we're in a bunch... I sat in 6th or so but the draft dragged me up with 350m to go, so i went for it.... I think the whole of the bunch did me before the line... I was about 650w... i think they were more than that but showing 8-9w/kg.... I was done...

Slightly disappointed, but i couldn't have done much more... Maybe next time i'll kick 1km out ! who know... we'll see.

stumpy01 - Member

scaredypants - Member

If that's the 4 week one, hold on tight for late wk 3 and wk 4

No, I'm doing the 10-12wk.
I skipped wk 1&2 as they suggested and am currently on wk 5. It's OK and will be interesting to see how much improvement there will be.
I might struggle to fit rides in over Christmas, but should be OK.

Are you using a smart trainer?
If so have you found the RPM gets ramped up towards the end of some of the sessions? Thought it was odd at first but is a recurring theme on some sessions in weeks 3-4.
More guidance from Zwift would be useful as your going in blind and not knowing what to expect and how much they want you to do around the 4 days a week. I'm doing the sessions when I can while doing other stuff on the other days of the week.

Well done hollow victory like mine as the winner in the power range failed to wear a HR monitor.
A wins a win ;0)

got on with 1min 58 to race start,

More guidance from Zwift would be useful as your going in blind and not knowing what to expect and how much they want you to do around the 4 days a week.

tomlevell - if you look on [url= https://whatsonzwift.com/workouts/ ]https://whatsonzwift.com/workouts/[/url] you can see any workout plan in its entirety, including the RPM required for each part. If you put in your FTP it'll show you the actual watts needed from you rather than the percentage

I'm as guilty of this as you most of the time, but have you ever tried racing with a proper warm up? Gave myself a good 20 mins before my last race (including a few sprints, etc) and felt a lot more comfortable during the subsequent effort, especially the early stages!

Many many times, sometimes 10 mins, sometimes 20 mins it doesn't seem to change much in honesty. It can take a few minutes where you HR and breathing are not quite in Sync, but after that i'm golden.

It was never going to be a killer race for me as with this sort of race, i'm generally cruising to keep inside the Cat limits as well as not kicking off the front in a futile attempt. So i was only sitting at 160bpm, where 180 is my top line HR.

Sadly, CVR has disappointed me again, if you recall, the race on Tues was split starts, 4 mins after the As, the Cs set off.... Well they ammended the result giving me +15 instead of -3 and showed me beating the Cs, the As were left out of the results.. But now the As are back in the results on CVR and i'm back to -3 points.
This is a massive flaw in the plan of course, you're never going to catch the group in front, they're not only 2 mins ahead of you, but they're also a cat above your limit. So what's the answer... I don't know. I'm happy joining an 'All In' type race, all Cats... I accept my position... But i do prefer battling with Cs.... but it's all pointless in CVR world if you're already starting in 40th place as they've left while you're still in the holding pen.

I don't know the answer.

I ended up in Zwiftpower today as the race winner, but as said above, a very hollow victory as they're only from DQs for exceeding cat limits. But i absolutely enjoyed the race and had fun... just got the tactics slightly wrong.

I've found that and it's handy but I'm being dim and haven't been able to see the RPM?
For example 5 x 8mins at that wattage is one thing but chuck in 120rpm at the end of the last 2 and it's hard.

But i absolutely enjoyed the race and had fun

First Zwift race in a while for me, been a lazy/injured summer. Did some Zwift workouts earlier in the week having ahem adjusted my weight up and knocked 50W off last springs FTP. Entered the WBR 1 lap at 6am. Due to weight/less power decided to demote myself to D. Only 4 of us, dropped 2 on the embankment then spent next 10 minutes playing cat and mouse with other chap. I went under the banner on Strand but was done with 200m to go. Winner got DQ so I got the win, wasn’t flat out but ended up bang on the D limit, Zwift also popped my FTP back up a chunk. So looks like I need to stick with C, this is fine for short races but no way can I currently hold that power for a hour race. Need to keep the momentum up now and get myself a bit fitter again. Might do the 3pm 1 lapper later.

I'm being dim and haven't been able to see the RPM?

Ah right.
Glad I wasn't being blind.

Some more guidance wouldn't go amiss from Zwift though. Or they may back away from it a bit now they're allowing trainerroad crossover.

mossimus - Member
First Zwift race in a while for me, been a lazy/injured summer. Did some Zwift workouts earlier in the week having ahem adjusted my weight up and knocked 50W off last springs FTP. Entered the WBR 1 lap at 6am. Due to weight/less power decided to demote myself to D. Only 4 of us, dropped 2 on the embankment then spent next 10 minutes playing cat and mouse with other chap. I went under the banner on Strand but was done with 200m to go. Winner got DQ so I got the win, wasn’t flat out but ended up bang on the D limit, Zwift also popped my FTP back up a chunk. So looks like I need to stick with C, this is fine for short races but no way can I currently hold that power for a hour race. Need to keep the momentum up now and get myself a bit fitter again. Might do the 3pm 1 lapper later.

Well done 🙂 keep it going !

I'm as guilty of this as you most of the time, but have you ever tried racing with a proper warm up? Gave myself a good 20 mins before my last race (including a few sprints, etc) and felt a lot more comfortable during the subsequent effort, especially the early stages!
Many many times, sometimes 10 mins, sometimes 20 mins it doesn't seem to change much in honesty. It can take a few minutes where you HR and breathing are not quite in Sync, but after that i'm golden.

It was never going to be a killer race for me as with this sort of race, i'm generally cruising to keep inside the Cat limits as well as not kicking off the front in a futile attempt. So i was only sitting at 160bpm, where 180 is my top line HR.

Sadly, CVR has disappointed me again, if you recall, the race on Tues was split starts, 4 mins after the As, the Cs set off.... Well they ammended the result giving me +15 instead of -3 and showed me beating the Cs, the As were left out of the results.. But now the As are back in the results on CVR and i'm back to -3 points.
This is a massive flaw in the plan of course, you're never going to catch the group in front, they're not only 2 mins ahead of you, but they're also a cat above your limit. So what's the answer... I don't know. I'm happy joining an 'All In' type race, all Cats... I accept my position... But i do prefer battling with Cs.... but it's all pointless in CVR world if you're already starting in 40th place as they've left while you're still in the holding pen.

I don't know the answer.

If you care about getting more points- beat better people. It's that simple.

So either do as Joe and I suggested and schedule in a higher profile C race or race B......

It's a ranking system. If you want a higher rank, you need to beat the folks above you. There's no prizes for just turning up and cruising a C win.

If you care about getting more points- beat better people. It's that simple.

So either do as Joe and I suggested and schedule in a high profile race or race B......

It's a ranking system. If you want a higher rank, you need to beat the folks above of you. There's no prizes for just turning up and cruising a C win.

You've totally missed my point. My point is, how can 'we' beat A riders if we're setting off 4 mins behind them ? That's the point. It's not about who i beat, or don't or how many point i do or do not get, it's about a level playing field. If i'm to be judged against A/B that's fine, but start the races at the same time.

But you can start in any pen you like above C!!! If you want the points, you need to follow the talent and beat the folks above you in the rankings.

CVR is aiming to create a racing based points system rather than an arbitrary one based on FTP. So by CVR standards, you are mis-categorising yourself.

Well yes, the alternative is i could just join A races.... However, that's never going to end well and never going to be a great deal of fun as i'm going to spend 50% or more of the race completely alone.

The fact that CVR point/rankings and ZP's systems are completely different, along with the ways points are given out after split races means that both systems are equally flawed, just in different ways.

Currently, the best place for me to enjoy racing is to ride in Cs. That way i get race-long battles and get to enjoy it, keeping the motivation high.

It's like me winning the Tour de Berkshire and moaning that British Cycling never gave me any points for it. If I want some of the Cat 4 points- I need to race the races where they are on offer. 😆

You could race B! Which if you did a proper FTP test is probably where you should be.

That's the other thing. Enforcement is already lenient- it's based on your race pace which is very rarely as good as you could achieve in a 20min ALL OUT effort to exhaustion. Where as Cats are your FTP.

If you want to enjoy spanking C riders then you need to accept it comes at a price.

If you raced B, you'd have a chance of getting CVR points and would probably learn more and get fitter.

If you want to enjoy spanking C riders then you need to accept it comes at a price.

LOL i don't spank anyone ! I got outsprinted into 6th...

B is coming, sooner or later... I'd imagine January will see me starting on the 1st of the month hitting B races.

crosshair - Member
It's like me winning the Tour de Berkshire and moaning that British Cycling never gave me any points for it. If I want some of the Cat 4 points- I need to race the races where they are on offer

You're just making stuff up now.

I'm not saying i should get more points for beating C riders, i'm saying i shouldn't lose points for starting 4 mins behind the As. Anyway, this isn't getting very far, so lets move on.

On that subject, I'm going to enter a 1 lap race in Cat B at the weekend or Monday to see how it goes. In the last couple of short races I've done I've been racing with the Bs and the people I've finished behind have all generally been upgraded to B. My weight means I am comfortably C but as I see it I need to make the step up to continue to progress.

Your NP was 320 for 16minutes today. Assuming you could have held that for four more mins, that puts your calculated FTP @ at least 304w!!

What do you weigh?

You're just illustrating how CVR works- it doesn't reward sandbagging. If you raced where you *should* be racing, you'd score points.

muggomagic - Member
On that subject, I'm going to enter a 1 lap race in Cat B at the weekend or Monday to see how it goes. In the last couple of short races I've done I've been racing with the Bs and the people I've finished behind have all generally been upgraded to B. My weight means I am comfortably C but as I see it I need to make the step up to continue to progress.

You'll do fine in shorter and flatter races within B mate, without a shadow of a doubt (As would i), it's only on the longer hillier stuff we're we'd both struggle. The bunch may have surges that you'll have issues with though, but you should be fine on a 1 lapper.

Stick a post up when you're decided on which event, I'll try and make it...I've got Sat daytime only really though as weekend is busy with my lads football and Star Wars 🙂

crosshair - Member
Your NP was 320 for 16minutes today. Assuming you could have held that for four more mins, that puts your calculated FTP @ at least 304w!!

What do you weigh?

You're just illustrating how CVR works- it doesn't reward sandbagging. If you raced where you *should* be racing, you'd score points.

Yes i could have held the pace for 4 more mins... It wouldn't have if i've done the sprint of course, but i could have stayed at the power for the majority of the race up for longer.

Weight 95-96kg currently.

Will do weeksy. Realistically it'll be Monday. I'm out on a xmas piss up tonight and taking the kids to see star wars tomorrow afternoon, then out on the mtb Sunday.

Monday works after 2 until 4.... or after 5pm.... Either of them is good for me 🙂

Currently no MTB here due to spannering my hand a bit.

You're not losing points for starting behind A's. You're just not beating anyone who statistically you should based on previous races.

So the same as I don't get points for smashing a charity fun ride, you don't get them for beating people with less points than you already.

Frank Garcia himself races A and he's only got about 3.5w/kg. Why? Because he's a big guy like us (and Zwift is kind to big riders) and that's where the points and potentially the prizes are.

So you can either race for C Cat glory or chase CVR points. Two different systems require two different approaches.

Righto, after 5 is good for me as I get in around 4ish.

Those gold cups do look nice though 🙂

So you can either race for C Cat glory

LOL i race Cs for fun and battles, not for the glory of the trophies.. 🙂
It's just enjoyable to have plenty of others to battle against.

I do get your point and i'll jump up Cat.

Yeah, so in all out 20min to exhaustion test you are at least 3.2 FTP/kg- probably a touch over.

You've been easily top ten in C for well over a month with the exception of the KISS race. So my original response still stands. Either race higher profile races with a better standard of C rider and try and nab their points or race B in the daytime races.....

Profile edited... I'm now 'officially' going to get battered by all the Bs on here like Scaredypants and Zilog !

I race C at the moment but would probably do OK bringing up the rear in B! Maybe I'll make the switch 🙂 Well up for a 1 lapper on Monday though!

I feel chastised by association of having a similar FTP. I'll race B from now on also. Not that I know or have a plan on when to race next.

Plus if I go up I should keep ahead of Weeksy on CVR ranking ;0)

going to get battered by all the Bs on here like Scaredypants and Zilog !

FFS, you're all running scared now ! Sheesh...

😉

damn right weeksy !
(Strava form is through the roof just now, mind. Not sure they have that quite right, really. Maybe I'll jump on and smash out a one-lapper just to see, followed by smashing out my innards alien-style through the incision 😀 )

I wasn't chastising Weeksy- I couldn't care less where he races but it ended up being ridiculously hard to explain to him why sandbagging in C wasn't getting him any points 😆

Race cats were originally created on an almost totally arbitrary basis to best cater for peoples desire for close racing. It doesn't actually work that well unless everybody weighed the same!
That's why CVR have developed rankings in the first place, to try and better categorise the racing based on race results not the 'finger in the air' Cat boundaries.

But the cats are ftp/kg NOT "0.95 x best race 20mins/kg" so the enforcement is already quite generous.

Under a points based system, Weeksy would have upgraded a while ago. He's chose to hang around in C so he's run out of points to grab under the CVR system.
You need to drill where the oil is 🙂

so he's run out of points to grab under the CVR system.
You need to drill where the oil is

I got 19 points for this mornings effort

🙂

FWIW, seeing how quick you were on the Compton group ride LAST year Weeksy, I'd be scared IRL now!
I'd do you on the kickers or drop you by accelerating hard every couple of minutes but a flat TT would be pretty close I think. 304w is a useful tool!!!

I got 19 points for this mornings effort

😯 Exactly- its mass start so plenty of oil!!