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I dunno how my swift power translates to real world power but the speeds seem about right for the terrain.
A rolling group ride for me with other quick lads would be about 22+ mph which seems to tie in. I'm probably working a bit harder on the turbo as there's no junctions/traffic etc.
Racing wise I'm a positively mid pack [url= https://www.rootsandrain.com/rider59627/kai-barrett/results/ ]Enduroist[/url]
See I don’t think I’m a fair comparison out of Zwift. I’ve got the numbers but lack any skills/ group confidence/ trust/ arrogance? To ultilise them fully. 😆
Sometimes can’t help but think “what if jesper hadn’t blocked me...” but that’s a conversation for the other thread / keeps my racing curiosity high.
Back to Zwift, hoping to do the KISS tomorrow eve. Anyone joining??
I more meant that your real life speed matches your Cat A status Nath. Jesper couldn't believe you had a 29mph solo lap at your disposal 😆
Scaled- I'd say that fully supports your A category level performance. Well over 4w/kg (4.5?).
I see on FB that ZP are going even further on cheating with an investigation process with a ZP suspension and everything. That led me to wonder about how, if somebody challenged you, you'd set about justifying your level.
I don't think there is an easy answer if you don't possess a PM??
Corsshair, I'm not sure I could have kept that up for much more than one lap! 😆
Working from home tomorrow so going to see what's on during the day and have another go at racing, probably the 0805 WBR 4 lap. Dunno if I should enter as an A or B though 😕
If you'd held it for 5mins longer, that would have made your calculated ftp about 380. @ 82kg that's a good 4.5w/kg so definitely an A 😉
Apologies if I remembered the data wrong, can't remember which race it was now.
You could always pick a mixed Cat race and see where you end up 🙂
Having just done one. I can see why some struggle with structured workouts on Zwift.
Elaborate?
Not exactly the most engaging experience to be found on Zwift. Watts up, watts down, and that’s about it. Whereas racing has the element of not knowing what’s coming to a degree.
Although I can see the benefits of structured sessions, I’m yawning whilst acknowledging those benefits. Not that it’ll stop me using them.
Fair call... whilst i've never done a workout, that's my perception of how it would be too. Sure, you have intensity of effort... but it's just against a given output decided by the training, it's not "Oh crap they've gone at the front, get after them...." or "Right, what's in the tank, can i try to make a break on this guy"....
Ahh I see CH.
Re Zwift workouts you’ve just got to be long termist about them. Same with any training plan to be honest, but at least with Zwift you’re getting a high quality uninterrupted session (no road obstacles).
I do prefer zone 1/2 workouts on Zwift as oppose to outside though for two reasons; one I can actually stick in those zones, and two I can watch netflix/prime/youtube to pass the time... I can’t even manage to stick to Z2 commuting 😆
long termist
Hopefully, I’ve started a 12 week plan 😆
😥
Another one lost.... Sheesh.. dropping like flies..
it's OK weeksy - you'll be the only one actually racing soon. You'll clean up !
scaredypants - Member
it's OK weeksy - you'll be the only one actually racing soon. You'll clean up !
Only from here. !
I did notice when checking a few people in the other days race they're all coming back.... Last races were March... then Nov... so all the superstars and fast guys who've spent all summer racing outside are now Zwifting again.
I honestly don't mind, as long as i get a bit of fun out of it... I would love to know where the extra 20w has gone from my best form though that's for sure. However, i'll live with that 🙂
[url= https://whatsonzwift.com/workouts/8wk-race-day-prep ]It's here mate ![/url] 😀
Another one lost.... Sheesh.. dropping like flies..
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Still planning on at least 1 race a week plan or no plan. They’re part of the motivation, cut them out and I wouldn’t bother with the plan.
Weeksy- Perhaps when countless people say "if you race too much your fitness will plateau and eventually decline" and "don't race on the 5:2 diet as it will kill your ability to recover effectively" and so on they were actually trying to be helpful ??? 😆
Outdoor racing had the same effect on me don't forget. My FTP dropped from 318 to 296 after a summer of racing and that was with recovery and rest days.
I've not been doing the 5-2 for ages now... Although i may need to start it to kick-start the weight loss.
I'll keep racing though whether it's working or not for me... as we know it's as much about the fun/endorphins/enjoyment as anything else.
I do need some Z2 work though in the next 6 weeks as i need to get the miles up or the KMs up anyway to hit 8000km for the year, which unless i up the actual distances i don't think i'll make...
One point I would add about the structured training available on Zwift is that it is very wishy washy. There's not much overriding guidance.
The key thing about the interval sessions is that they are calibrated by your FTP. So that is your number one priority, week one, workout one- rest for a good couple of days and then do an FTP test.
What I've found on Trainerroad is that the intervals are then devilishly perfect. Like a well practiced interrogator, Coach Chad brings you close enough to hell for you to see death but leaves just enough life for him to beat the crap out of you again tomorrow.
I could easily swap one session a week for a race but I don't want to as I know I will go too deep and spoil tomorrow's workout.
If that weekly race is the inspiration to keep going then just fudge your plan around it- put a shorter or easier session in the day before and a rest day after.
I feel bad even counting my miles given how much Zwift inflates them.
Hours are key and mine are shit- barely enough to be a Cat 4 according to Friel and oh, there's a surprise, I'm still a Cat 4 😆
crosshair - Member
I feel bad even counting my miles given how much Zwift inflates them.
Hours are key and mine are shit- barely enough to be a Cat 4 according to Friel and oh, there's a surprise, I'm still a Cat 4
I think at the last check i'm on 290 hours for 2017. I can't realistically see how i can increase that without either lowering the intensity to save fatigue, or without actually impacting my life/family time too dramatically.
I'm on 315 so likely to be around 360 for the year which is the lower end for Cat 4.
500-700 is the guide for Cat 3 😮
500-700 is the guide for Cat 3
Wow... well that quickly answers any aspirations from my side anyway.
Actually, that’s less than I thought.
When fit I used to do more than that fell running on a regular basis. The weekly long day out used to account for a lot tbf.
Great, I’m basically a lazy under achiever 😡
I can't imagine for a second for example how i could double my hourly output for the year.. it's just incomprehensible to me. I'd be exhausted for a start !
How much of that increase is steady effort and not eyeballs out racing?
piemonster - Member
How much of that increase is steady effort and not eyeballs out racing?
From my own perspective and assuming i had the time/dedication, it would have to be a LOT of it being non-racing to get to that sort of figure.
But for me to do that i'd have to do a lot of outdoor stuff, i certainly couldn't do the majority of it on Zwift for example.
Bloody hell... after a couple of days wait the ZHR tea race made it onto Zwiftrankings and i got +20 !
I'm pretty sure that's my highest points in a race. That puts me from an all-time low of 883 about 4 weeks back after a DNF race, to an almost respectable 918.
Even weirder is that it's now showing me as 5th as all the others over the limit have been bumped..
Which is strange as they were showing as "result has been configured to allow it to stand" before.
http://www.zwiftrankings.com/vcr/client/result/14725/40591/2017r11/all/7/1/0/0/1/1
I feel a little better with the world now ....
Local pro who races Conti level is on 720 hours for the year.
I assume Friel is referring to US rankings and don't they go to CAT 5. So CAT 4 is our CAT 3 and the US CAT 3 is likely to be upper end of CAT 2 here.
Well ish. I think they upgrade automatically after 10 Cat 5 races nowadays so I reckon the level is pretty comparable after that. It's also Road racing in general isn't it so for <1hr Crits, you probably don't need quite as many hours.
Yep, the difference will largely be made up of Z2 no doubt but still, it's an endurance sport after all.
Well another 2 laps of London loop done on MGCC ride so should be a little closer to completing Everest challenge (74% complete). It was a good race as i talk to a member of the club so he lets me know who to look out for. I was actually the first person to the top of box hill on lap 1 (7:27) with 2 others in tow. We decided for the next lap to keep the pace high to see if we could hold off the A group but i think we tired a little as next box hill segment was slower by a fair bit (7:55). We then got caught by the A group in the subway section and tried to stick with them for the last mile but it was too quick for me so dropped off by a few secs. I ended up with BRONZE in B group and 5th overall in the race due to lack of A riders.
I am hoping to complete everest challenge this year but its looking unlikely now but i should hit level 25 next week i think.
Nice work!
Actually i am 76% complete on Everest so i reckon another 20 times up the mountain should do it!
What level gets you the heads up display?
That’s just someone doing a workout isn’t it?
You know you don’t get the tron bike at 8851m, you have to do 50,000 to get that
7k per day over xmas/new year holiday then back to work for a rest 🙂you have to do 50,000 to get that
You know you don’t get the tron bike at 8851m, you have to do 50,000 to get that
Do you have to be on the Everest challenge for the ascent to count?
Asking for a friend
Yep!!
Damn you California
Zwift newbie looking for some racing advice. I've just signed up and done a couple of rides just to get the lay of the land. I'd like to do an FTP test soon when rested enough but from my first two rides I estimate/hope my FTP will be around 2.6 W/kg, so just on the cusp of group C. Should I enter a race in group C and just drop back if too much or should I enter as group D and just let things take their course?
Also, I've watched a few races on YouTube but usually that's group A/B riders and was wondering how you can tell your position further back in relation to group C/D riders? Not everyone seems to edit their rider name to include the group.
Forza - when you are in a race the group rider list on your right shows you who is around you and they will have a coloured disc on their info which shows what cat they are. At the top of this list you will see a white box which should indicate your position i.e 7th out of 24 which indicates your position in just your category, sometimes though this doesnt work so dont rely on it. Some riders forget/dont change there names which doesnt affect results but its kind of etiquette to do it so others are aware you are in the race.
Pretty sad that zwift aren't creating new instances for races anyway. Suggests they've gone wrong somewhere with their server architecture/scaling. Still surprises me that people are willing to pay a monthly sub for something that imo is still a long way from a finished product (when compared to other games)its kind of etiquette to do it so others are aware you are in the race.
Edit: I should add that i'm also baffled by the growing trend of gamers paying full price to play games that are still basically alpha test candidates with full release dates 12+ months into the future.
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got home at 16:01 and made the 1 lap wbr with 24s to start, went crazy! pinned it everywhere and realised me and 1 guy had the win here!
As we know, its more 1.5 laps and i held wit 2 As and a B, along with our C guy. Held on up the hill and clawed back 11m gap they pulled.
To the line the other C pinned it at 10+ i left him to it and cruised for 2nd in the last 200m.
Destroyed!
https://www.zwiftpower.com/race.php?id=14831
May even be a win.... i'm lucky that short hard like that is about spot on with a group for me to be right on the cat limit with some good drafting.
Thanks for the info blader. I hadn't noticed the group discs in the rider list.