[Closed] Your lunch vs. MacD's med. big mac meal

its preety hard to tell it from the real stuff

Dont expect the same witht he cheeses

The mind boggles. Egg free mayo?

http://www.plamilfoods.co.uk/egg-free-mayo/

works for me anyway.

johnnie- there's been advancements in the cheese department. some very good ones available now. but then again, it's been 20 years since i've eaten actual cheese made from milk so i don't really have any reference point for a comparison...

Crackers with mayo and grated cheese followed by a soya yogurt.

I didn't want to eat the soya yogurt but I saw it advertised on the television, so I had no choice.

soup meal. 400cals, green on everything except salt (amber) and 2 of my 5 a day.

Two rashers of bacon, bought from local butcher who cures it himself, all traceable, from a farm near Marr, 4-5 miles away. Served with Sunday dinner leftovers refried, Spud, Carrot and Swede, Cabbage, all from farm six miles out of town in the opposite direction. Good squirt of HP, probably imported (to Yorkshire). Big mug of Yorkshire Tea, handpicked in Yorkshire, obviously. 😉

this melts really well for Pizza or nacho topping but tastes of absolutely nothing whatsoever but is my one of choice currently
I settlled for nice melty one and gave up expecting a nice tasting one

The cream in can is pretty good as well Soyatoo iirc soya or roce variations and both taste the same - non vegans say it is ok too
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Bacon, rocket, tomato, Morrocan style hummous, in a pitta.
Like a posh BLT.
What kind of slack jawed faggots know how many calories are in a meal, unless you're trying to beat a record?

WRT to snobbery and McD's, I don't eat there because the food tastes like shit. That's as far as the thought process needs to go.
🙂

Homemade fruit salad (pineapple, pink grapefruit, orange and pomegranate) and a Total 0% Greek yoghurt...bloody delicious!

Would guess at about 300 cals, mostly simple carbs and a bit of protein from the yoghurt. Not my usual lunch but it was easy to hand and I'm having a deliberately light day today cos I ate like a ****ing gannet last night.

The mind boggles as to why someone would choose to be a vegan and then search high and low for a fake alternative to cheese.

Do you not eat chesse then - dont find it useful on certain dishes

Why would I be any different?

I object to the source not the taste - same goes for meat

[i]WRT to snobbery and McD's, I don't eat there because the food tastes like shit.[/i]

See, you're wrong there too. Big Macs are goooooooood 🙂

I started this beacuse I was eating my lunch and looking at the "wheel of death" on the front of the sandwich and thinking about yesterday's thread and the presumtion that MacD's was responsible for obesity.

Given that people say fat gain is due to calories vs. calories burnt, I thought this was interesting info. I could just as easily pick up a sausage roll and a packet of biscuits to go with my Sainsbo's meal deal as I could ask for super size or an extra mcflurry at McD's.

The "snobbery" point comes from the fact it's apparently OK for Sby's to offer me, and me to choose what I buy there, but it's not OK for McD's to offer, and for people to choose what they buy there.

My choices, and the choices of people like me, are apparently superior than the choices of people who eat at McDonalds, even when they're very likely to result in the same calorific input.

Beans On.

Surely the way the op should be read is the other way around. Take the McDs as a datum for "not too healthy" as a [u]daily[/u] lunch. Then look at the alternative you have chosen because it's vaguely healthy. When it turns out your middle class alternative is not that much better as you had previously anticipated, it doesn't mean McDs is actually OK but rather you need to try harder and have been inadvertently "super-sized" without realising.

Shudder at the processed chemical products for the vegan crowd.

I had a relatively high fat lunch btw but very low GI.

You make a good point nedrapier. Lots of snobbery, not enough knowledge around the subject of fast food. I doubt for example that McDs have found a way to remove all the protein, vitamins and minerals from the beef they use.

Shudder at the processed chemical products for the vegan crowd.

I was trying to get a physique like yours 😉

All things in moderation I eat about one of the packs every 3 months I think i will still remain a racing whippet [ in looks not pace]

Ingredients
Water, palm oil, tofu, soy protein, stabilizer (carrageenan, guar and carob bean gum), maltodextrin, vinegar, corn starch, emulsifying salt (calcium phosphate, potassium phosphate), potato flakes, salt, adipic acid, soy lecithin, natural flavours, natural colours, preservative (potassium sorbate).
Nutritional Information
Typical values per 100g:
Energy 420kcal/1760kJ, Protein 10.5g, Carbohydrate 10.5g of which sugars 0.0g, Fat 31.5g, of which polyunsaturates 15.7g, of which saturates 15.8g, of which cholesterol 0.0g, Fibre 0.0g, Sodium 1.5g

Still be healthier than cheeses which i assume we must also consider to be highly processed and all food is made of chemicals

[i]The "snobbery" point comes from the fact it's apparently OK for Sby's to offer me, and me to choose what I buy there, but it's not OK for McD's to offer, and for people to choose what they buy there.

My choices, and the choices of people like me, are apparently superior than the choices of people who eat at McDonalds, even when they're very likely to result in the same calorific input. [/i]

Well said.

molly- tbh, no more "processed chemicals" than the non-vegan equivalents in most cases.

The mind boggles as to why someone would choose to be a vegan and then search high and low for a fake alternative to cheese

ah well, boggle away! i don't care what you choose to eat (or not), so there's that...

Palm oil, Junkyard? Look it up. Terrible stuff. Worse than meat...

I'm going to add one of these 🙂 because it might not be, but it's still pretty reprehensible.

Surely the way the op should be read is the other way around. Take the McDs as a datum for "not too healthy" as a daily lunch. Then look at the alternative you have chosen because it's vaguely healthy. When it turns out your middle class alternative is not that much better as you had previously anticipated, it doesn't mean McDs is actually OK but rather you need to try harder and have been inadvertently "super-sized" without realising

exactly.
i'm no fan of mcDs (for probably obvious reasons), but they do tend to get singled out for criticism unfairly when you look at the bigger picture (and their competitors).

Just finished a Jacket Spud & Mexican Mushroom Chilli.. No idea about calories but hazard at 550'ish??

Would have eaten when you lot did but meetings and more meetings 🙄

Palm oil, Junkyard? Look it up. Terrible stuff. Worse than meat...

I'm going to add one of these because it might not be, but it's still pretty reprehensible.

Please not BS herbiovore Bingo on this thread as well 😯

A fair point actually - i did not knwo the ingredients till i searched tbh I will see how ethically they source it

See, you're wrong there too. Big Macs are goooooooood

You see fortunately, as you think Big Macs taste goooooooood, your opinion is worthless and needs not to be considered. 😛

Hmmm.

Lunch was a sandwich made with Hovis of some description, 2 slices of pastrami & pickle accompanied by some Walkers Baked crisps.
Probably 400 cals, maybe 450 at at a push.

But have also eaten:
- 1/2 a chopped pepper & 1 chopped carrot
- tracker bar
- 10 cherry tomatoes
- banana
- activia prune yogurt.

I have a satsuma still to eat, but am tempted to venture to the vending machine. But...I am having sausages & cauliflower cheese for dinner so will refrain.

nedrapier- fwiw, the tofutti stuff that johnnie posted isn't that great an example (possibly cos it's an american brand and they shove palm oil or corn syrup in almost everything; both pretty unpleasant ingredients)- there's a couple of european brands making non-dairy cheeses out of nut bases that have way fewer ingredients and use essentially the same methods and principles as regular cheesemakers, and they are way way better too (vegusto being my particular favourite brand).

Palm oil, Junkyard? Look it up. Terrible stuff.

Milk a cow or decimate an entire ecosystem?
Tough choice.

And so the BS bingo begins

Iam out of this

herbivore will e-mail you re more ethical choices - tomorrow as today is ride night

Milk a cow or decimate an entire ecosystem?
Tough choice.

whilst i agree that it's a horrendous product (palm oil), do you think it's only used in the production of vegetarian/vegan food items?

and let's not get into the deforestation of vast swathes of south america to grow soya beans to make animal feed (97% of soya beans produced across the planet go to animal feed)...

Milk a cow or decimate an entire ecosystem?
Tough choice.

druidh - Member
Lorne sausage roll

You really are very Scottish aren't you. Didn't even know what these things are until recently.

I googled "Lawn Sausage" when I first heard of them.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lawn%20sausage

Didn't fancy it in a Sarnie

Nothing.

Lunch is for wimps 😉

Still be healthier than cheeses

Sure? Cheese is fatty but it's also pretty nutritous.

Milk a cow or decimate an entire ecosystem?

Cattle grazing has already decimated several ecosystems hasn't it?

whilst i agree that it's a horrendous product (palm oil), do you think it's only used in the production of vegetarian/vegan food items?

No idea on fat or calories or whatever else, because the wife made it last night and I had the leftovers reheated today.

There were three big, fat sausages in it. And lentils, butter beans, passata, carrots, onions, some red wine, herbs, broccoli, and probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting.

No idea how much there was altogether, but it went a good way towards filling a 1.4 litre tub, so there must have been near enough to a kilogram? It was lovely.

Mike, that sounds awesome. Well done Mrs. tually.

I have nothing against vegans/veggies/herbivores/whatever but I do think processed foods of all sorts should be avoided wherever possible - that includes meat pies with god knows what in them AS WELL AS all these fake-meat/cheese/etc abominations.

i agree, and i do.
hence why i'm a fan of the aforementioned vegusto; their "cheeses" are all entirely hand made and quite easy to replicate at home too, tbh.

When eating on the iDiet I tried to find recipies that didn't need cheese/bread/whatever, rather than just substitute them. Substituting was never satisfactory.

Remains of last nights spag bol, probably a bit more than a large portion just to finish it off. Plus 2 sainsbury's extra butter mince pies.

I've lost a stone in weight with no effort over the last 10 months.

And so the BS bingo begins

I was joking; I don't give a monkey's what people choose to eat, or not eat (I for instance do not eat fungus).

What I don't like though is the real bullshit of people using their choices to attempt to gain some sort of ethical or moral highground.

Our lifestyles are not ecologically sound, and I have met no-one who is prepared to return to a more basic way of living which is.

Who here is willing to give up their PCs/TVs/Cars/Bicycles/Mobiles/Cheap comfortable clothing?

No-one.

Unless you're prepared to do that, then it's bullshit and quite frankly you can cock off (not you personally, Junkyard! 😆 ).

Unless you're prepared to do that, then it's bullshit and quite frankly you can cock off

Nonsense. It's not all or nothing is it?

You can have consumer goods, or you can have consumer goods AND eat meat.

Which is better, do you think?

Still be healthier than cheeses which i assume we must also consider to be highly processed and all food is made of chemicals

Leftovers for me: chorizo, chickpeas and a pork chop. And a (full-fat) yoghurt. Tasty, although after 3 days eating chickpeas for lunch & dinner I'm beginning to get a bit bored of them.

Nonsense. It's not all or nothing is it?

Wow for once I agree with molgrips. I find it incredibly stupid this attitude that lots of people have where unless you lead a completely ethically pure lifestyle (is that even possible?) you have no right to care about anything.

BTW today's lunch was a triple sandwich from Sainsbury's on wholemeal and oatmeal bread - Egg Mayo, Prawn, and Ham and Mustard still came in under 500 calories despite being a triple, so the OP has picked a particularly lardy sandwich to try and make the point.

Yes lots of people kid themselves that regular sandwiches from a supermarket are healthy compared to fast food, but lots of people don't and buy relatively healthy stuff - whereas almost everyone who goes to McDonalds buys very fatty, sugary, salty stuff.

Do you not eat chesse then - dont find it useful on certain dishes

Why would I be any different?

This is why

Ingredients
Water, palm oil, tofu, soy protein, stabilizer (carrageenan, guar and carob bean gum), maltodextrin, vinegar, corn starch, emulsifying salt (calcium phosphate, potassium phosphate), potato flakes, salt, adipic acid, soy lecithin, natural flavours, natural colours, preservative (potassium sorbate).
Nutritional Information
Typical values per 100g:
Energy 420kcal/1760kJ, Protein 10.5g, Carbohydrate 10.5g of which sugars 0.0g, Fat 31.5g, of which polyunsaturates 15.7g, of which saturates 15.8g, of which cholesterol 0.0g, Fibre 0.0g, Sodium 1.5g

I can comprehend the motiviation behind not wanting your existance to have too much of an adverse impact on other living things but why go to all the trouble of not eating any animal products, and then go to a lot of trouble to recreate the taste, texture etc of an animal product by having a comparable impact on the enviroment, just in a different way.

Instead of a liverstock farm and a considerable impact on the environment you've chosen a palm oil plantation, a factory and crap loads of food miles, which also have a significant impact on the environment.

So while I can understand pizza needing cheese I can't understand why you can't accept that being a vegan means you can't eat dishes where the principal ingredient is an animal product.

To prempt the arguement that its OK to be a Vegan and have an iPhone because at least you are doing something, the cheese thing is different. This isn't opting out of one thing, it's substiting one thing for another.

I dont have your experience of being a cheesemaker earlier in my life to compare with but i am sur that is a process and they things in it are chemicals

MM at least it is not contaminated beef and obviously I would have no beef with you 😉

^^^ if you had bothered to quote the last line of the quote from me you would have your answer

I did not realise the ingredients and accept that ethical questions can be raised and I will look into it

I can't understand why you can't accept that being a vegan means you can't eat dishes where the principal ingredient is an animal product.

I really cannot be arsed it gets done to death on here

Sainbury's Meal Deal: New Yorker sarnie, Walkers Cheese n Onion and Coke Zero

Calories: 385, 173, 1.5 = 559.5

\o/ for £3 meals