[Closed] Yesterdays shooting & todays protest.

It's bound to happen.
The 'race card' will always be played by all sides to some extent.

To see a similar non racial community response, look at the Brian Deneke case.
His murderer's defence was basically 'He's one of us, a nice boy'.
[url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Deneke ]Link.[/url]
Communities close ranks.
It's what people do and have always done.
Criminals lie to defend their own, regardless of race.

I didn't know him but I was talking to one of his 'best friends' the other day.

Essel, i can't imagine your chat was in a 'social setting'; sounds more like work - yours, not his with him talking through the cell door.

I live within 15 miles of huddersfield and know a senior copper who works in huddersfield-halifax area.

They can't/won't comment publicly about specific case but have said, off the record, that families of ****stani and bangladeshi origin run the drugs trade in the area and have strong ethnic links to bradford and firearms are being used almost with impunity.
Parents are invariably in denial when son - always a son - is accused of or proven to be nasty piece of work.....he was a good boy, loved his family, went to mosque, said his prayers.

Robust policing is appropriate in some situations and this, to me, looks like one of those.
Yes, i know, nothing proven - yet.

My view would be exactly the same if the 'victim' had 1000 years of anglo-saxon lineage.

families of ****stani and bangladeshi origin run the drugs trade in the area

In manchester its white working class folk who run it and largely form the gangs
As is the case in Liverpool

I am not sure why we are being harsh in parents who were hoodwinked by their child and were unaware they were gun toting drug dealers. All it shows is that the parents were decent people with no involvement in criminality nor knowledge of that community and their son lied to them.

Its quite unlikely one will ever say well the dirty criminal bastard had it coming to him didn't he whatever the skin colour

Not really sure what the point is in making this a race issue

I don't see that anyone is making this a race issue.
Some are intent on seeing racial overtones in posts where none exist.
As for robust policing where appropriate - we need more of it.

It's pretty much as per the best line in the film "layer Cake":

"That's where playing at being a gangster gets you" uttered whilst leaning over dead body in a freezer.........

Frankly, our police and laws are so handicapped by having to be PC etc it's amazing our police are even allowed guns at all. Think about it for a sec. How do YOU fancy walking up to a car, with occupants you know nothing about, where there is a strong possibility and previous hard evidence of them being armed. Seriously, think about it. What do YOU do for a job? What are your chances of being killed every day at work? Loads of people can be all gung-ho whilst sat at home in front of the TV typing on the internet, but faced with the reality of the situation i'm going to suggest it'd be a very different situation.......

Seriously though, bravo everyone on talking this much b*** on something nobody knows anything about

STW is Champions League standard at this 😆

I used to be acquainted with a lad who sounds very much like this chap. My ex's mate was his 'kept woman', away from his traditional family, so I ended up in his company every so often.

Based in West Yorks, same deal going on as he ran a posh car hire business during the day and used to go about in some lovely motors. The open secret was he was one of the leading dealers in town though and I heard more than once that he had heavy involvement in a well publicized axe murder. I obviously have no proof but neither was it well hidden.

To be fair, if you met him without knowing any other details he came across as a very nice bloke. Full of himself for sure but pleasant company and very personable. I imagine his parents would justifiably say the same if he met a similar end.

our police and laws are so handicapped by having to be PC etc it's amazing our police are even allowed guns at all

Seems to me you are sounding off where you have no real expertise moaning iat others sounding off with no real expertise

what sort of danger do you face daily at work then Arnie?

West Yorks Police recruitment for new officers opened for the first time in a good while this week....

I don't see that anyone is making this a race issue.
Some are intent on seeing racial overtones in posts where none exist.
As for robust policing where appropriate - we need more of it.

"Robust Policing" covers quite a wide range - from the Guardia Civil to Rodrigo "I throw drug dealers from helicopters" Duterte.

What do we mean, by robust policing?

Ernie do you follow the news, aside from the mini riot more than one local Muslim group raised the issue. The guy was an armed drug dealer cocky enough to post pictures of himself with his Lambo. As above "playing" at being a gangster isn't a strategy for a long life,

Junkyard issues of political correctness and concerns about being branded racists massively handicapped the police in Rotherham and Oxfordshire. 1400 children abused in Rotherham alone. Such political correctness is a masive problem.

^^^^Like

you cite the same things endlessly to explain how massive a problem PC is- they are all you cite when asked- have you any more issues to show its rampant and hindering th epolice with say drug dealers after all that is what we are discussing

Plenty of white folk praised Moaty and DUggan the cop killer
I fail to recall you denigrating white folks in that case

more than one local Muslim group raised the issue

I am not sure why i am bothering to discuss this with our race card playing xenophobe who flirts ,powell like, with racist terminology whilst staying with the rules on here

I wonder what you say in private when you dont have to be PC?

It doesn't look like 'PC' stopped the police actually doing their job, though.

Gun toting violent criminal gets comeuppance. Pretty much a non-story. The sooner the obligatory investigation exonerates the coppers concerned and they get back to protecting law abiding people the better.

Bugger all to do with race/colour/creed, everything to do with a bad person carrying the means to kill innocent people.

jambalaya - Member

Ernie do you follow the news, aside from the mini riot more than one local Muslim group raised the issue. The guy was an armed drug dealer cocky enough to post pictures of himself with his Lambo. As above "playing" at being a gangster isn't a strategy for a long life,

Interesting comment, but what exactly has [i]"The guy was an armed drug dealer cocky enough to post pictures of himself with his Lambo"[/i] or [i]""playing" at being a gangster isn't a strategy for a long life"[/i] got to with your bizarre claim that the race card has been played "repeatedly"? The only person who keeps going on about race, repeatedly, appears to be you.

And your equally bizarre claim that this incident proves that, quote, [i]"political correctness has made police work very difficult".[/i] I asked you to explain how shooting and killing him could have been made easier without "political correctness".

Well?

And BTW I have expressed no opinion whatsoever concerning Mohammed Yassar Yaqub, so I have no idea at all why you are telling that he was cocky or that he had a poor strategy for a long life.

Nor have I expressed any opinion whatsoever concerning whether the police action was correct. I am perfectly prepared to wait for the conclusions of the Independent Police Complaints Commission. I am particularly interested in knowing why apparently no police officers were wearing body cameras since it presumably would have made the job of the IPCC so much easier.

Just for the record, that "like" was for the post two above regarding taking on new officers.

Vexed!

Tom, stop being silly; my comment about 'robust policing' clearly refers to the uk and not the philipines.
Your attempt to make a connection with duterte doesn't deserve a response.

Ernie, it was a general comment about the environment the police are having to work in. Immediately after the shooting you have the mini riot and the local Muslim groups commenting. The other remarks weren't aimed specifically at you just general comments/responce to the thread. So apologies if they came across as aimed at you. The situation in Rotherham should be a major wake up call to us all regarding political correctness and convern about being branded racist, applies to the Police, social services and local politicians all who failed catastrophically.

Junkyard the BBC. I am sure the groups concerned have facebook and Twitter feeds and you can go to direct the source.

frankconway - Member

Tom, stop being silly; my comment about 'robust policing' clearly refers to the uk and not the philipines.
Your attempt to make a connection with duterte doesn't deserve a response.

To be fair he asked you what you meant by 'robust policing' and he gave you an extreme range to make the point that robust policing can mean different things to different people.

So what do you mean by robust policing? You say you want "more" of it, what does that mean - more shootings and less arrests?

It's difficult to understand your point if you don't explain it clearly 💡

Yep - more extra judicial killings please, especially if they are left wing virtue signalling w*****rs.

So what do you mean by robust policing? You say you want "more" of it, what does that mean - more shootings and less arrests?

To be fair it would up the deterrent level and fix the prison staffing issues. We could just have the nice criminals in prison then.

I couldn't find anything on BBC or Google via google search of Muslim groups saying the shooting was racist , the guardian reported a community leader saying some young men on the street were concerned it was which is not the same at all .
Interesting that the image on Khan's solicitors website suggests the copper fired passed the Audi driver to shoot his passenger , the gun was in the passenger footwell so either a targeted assassination of the passenger in an unnecessarily complicated way or the passenger did something to draw the coppers attention and make him think he needed to deploy lethal force . Obviously all speculation based on minimal information.

To be fair it would up the deterrent level

How do you know it would up the deterrent level? It could just mean that criminals might be more likely to shoot at police officers before they shot at them.

When the Great Train Robbers got 30 years despite not having any firearms many people thought it would act as a deterrent. What actually happened was that criminals committing robberies became more likely to have firearms, since firstly you don't get much more than 30 years for murder, and secondly spending 30 years in prison wasn't much more desirable than being shot dead.

So as a consequent of these "deterrent sentences" criminals in the UK became more violent.

Yup bring back hanging for the violent

bainbrge - Member
Yep - more extra judicial killings please, especially if they are left wing virtue signalling w*****rs.

Would you like to take on that responsibility? Or do you prefer others getting their hands dirty on your behalf?

Extra-judicial is just fancy pants speak for illegal isn't it? So the people doing the killings are criminals, so someone needs to kill them, and someone needs to kill the second killer and so on, until there are no internet hardmen left 😥

Recent Police shootings. I don't recall any "Community" unrest or anti-Racism groups getting involved

November 2016: Lewis Skelton, 31, was Tasered and shot dead by Humberside Police in Hull, amid reports he was "running around with an axe".
November 2016: Josh Pitt, 24, died after being shot by a firearms officer in Luton as Bedfordshire Police responded to reports that a woman had been assaulted.
May 2016: William Smith, 36, was shot dead in Goudhurst, Kent, while on bail in connection with the death of 73-year-old Roy Blackman.
March 2016: James Wilson, 24, died in hospital after being shot by Northumbria Police in South Shields after police responded to reports a man was holding a handgun.

Have a read of this, it has plenty of references race issues which is not surprising as its primarily a Muslim community racial justice group. Looks like the race card being played to me.

http://justyorkshire.org.uk/2017/01/06/justs-letter-to-the-ipcc-after-the-fatal-shooting-of-mohammed-yassar-yaqub/

His funeral was very well attended given he was a drug dealer, my belief is the mourners are there to support "the community" against a perceived racially motivated shooting.

His funeral was very well attended given he was a drug dealer, [b]my belief [/b]is the mourners are there to support "the community" against a perceived racially motivated shooting.

jambalaya - Member

Have a read of this, it has plenty of references race issues

No it hasn't. There is just one reference to race, namely that [i]"race is not discounted in this investigatory process".[/i] Which sounds like a perfectly fair comment to me, I certainly wouldn't get worked up about it - not unless I was a Daily Mail reading racist, I probably would then.

His funeral was very well attended given he was a drug dealer

Are the funerals of drug dealers usually noted for their poor attendance?

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EDIT : You really are determined to get maximum mileage out of the fact that this guy was a Muslim, aren't you jambalaya ?

One of my clients had a massive funeral the police even blocked traffic for the horse drawn hearse and massive cortege. He was just a Hanoi burglar and possibly branching into supply when he died . Also he was white and mildly racist.
Many communities are close knit.

Just as my actual experience is not conclusive evidence your feelings don't really assist in forming a judgement.

Junkyard the BBC. I am sure the groups concerned have facebook and Twitter feeds and you can go to direct the source.

Googling your increasingly ludicrous claims is something that no one will ever try to do- I wish you would fact check your BS before posting as then we would just get punctuation in your posts

Please stop just lying and making stuff up whilst playing the race card as it makes you look like one of those knuckle dragging EDL who talks about Islamification of Britain and wants Britain to be about Britain

Jambalaya earlier I assume One of his more lucid moments

my belief is [s]the mourners are there to support "the community" against a perceived racially motivated shooting.[/s] at odds with the facts, totally unsubstantiated by reality and motivated by my deeply held , that some folk perceive as racist, dislike of all things Islamic

FTFY Mr robinson

So they want it investigating with a human rights slant ? last time I checked dealing drugs and carrying a firearm wasn't a human right ,

D'oh!

White crims always slip away from this mortal coil unnoticed and in shame..

Lenny McLean, The Krays, Ronnie Biggs and more recently Jamie Daniels, David Byrne

What planet do you live on jamba?

Junkyard - lazarus

Junkyard the BBC. I am sure the groups concerned have facebook and Twitter feeds and you can go to direct the source.

Its really basic stuff to be able to point to the stuff you are claiming were said otherwise you look like a potentially racist BS who is making things up - what sort of person would want to look like that ?

It's equally basic stuff to actually search google yourself in which case you would see that there was truth to what he was saying. The imam at his funeral called the police vigilantes and/or killers and if you care to go down a rabbit hole you'll find plenty of support for him on twitter - Black Lives Matter UK being a notably conspicuous one.

We should all be able to see that the "community" themselves made this a race issue when a group off hoods took to the streets, blocked traffic and attacked the police. The news broadcast I watched actually said "reminiscent of black lives matter in the states". Obviously that's lazy sensationalist journalism but that was the effect the group desired. If that hadn't happened there's no story other than a violent man meeting a violent end.

Removed.

If someone set up a group called white lives matter UK there would be a shit storm within 5 minutes, all that's apparent is people segregate themselves into groups with this BS then try to stake some sort of claim.

Rusty Spanner - Member

Planet [b]Racist[/b] it would appear

Junkyard
you look like a potentially racist BS who is making things up - what sort of person would want to look like that ?

That word isn't a magic spell which will make opinions you disagree with disappear, nor will it make the people who hold them vanish. It has been bandied about by regressive leftist ideologues so much that it has lost any and all substance. God help you if you ever meet a real racist.

Rusty Spanner
My point would appear to be self evident.

You have no point.

I've met quite a few, thanks.

I don't use the word lightly, but can find no other to express my opinion of Jambers current train of thought.

His bias and prejudice are obvious.
He refuses to engage in debate yet continues to repeat the same allegations.

Sorry, but there we are.

Calling the police vigilantes is in no way playing the race card Google what the Inman said I don't agree with him 100% but he spoke a lot about the values of British justice and not once said the police shot him because he was not white.
The dead man is from an Asian community he was shot and killed in a pre planned action when he did not get off a shot . The people most concerned about that will be those closest to him who will be Asian the people most likely to be spokesman asking questions for his family and community will be Asian those facts don't add up to " playing the race cards ."

It has been bandied about by regressive leftist ideologues so much that it has lost any and all substance.

^^This.

Jamba politics seem to be right wing, which the left wing hand wringers constantly scream "racist" at.

Not that I agree with much of what he posts, he's far from being a racist.

God help you if you ever meet a true racist.

crankboy
The dead man is from an Asian community he was shot and killed in a pre planned action when he did not get off a shot .

What's the standard number of shots you allow a suspect to "get off" before you return fire?

Pre-planned operation doesn't mean pre-planned killing.

Bottom line for me is - who would be happy living next door to Mr Yaqub?

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the shooting, it just sounds like he was a common criminal if the various stories that have appeared in the media are to be believed

I don't care what race or religion lives in my street but the thought of living next to an individual who may have made his money out of the misery of others isn't a pleasant one

philxx1975 - Member

So they want it investigating with a human rights slant ? last time I checked dealing drugs and carrying a firearm wasn't a human right ,

Well you don't seemed to have checked the contents of Jamba's link. As I said, there is just one reference to race, namely that [i]"race is not discounted in this investigatory process",[/i] a perfectly reasonable comment to make. Why don't you read the link?

And just to remind you, in case you've forgotten, the police have been known for being hampered by racism during operations. In fact the Macpherson Report famously went as far as saying that the Met police were "institutionally" racist.

And as recently as 18 months ago the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police said that the Met might still be [i]institutionally[/i] racist :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11655358/Met-chief-accepts-force-may-be-institutionally-racist.html ]Met chief accepts force may be 'institutionally racist'[/url]

But perhaps you think that West Yorkshire Police are paragons of virtue and that it is inconceivable that any hint of racism might exist within it. In which case the perfectly reasonable suggestion that "race is not discounted in this investigatory process" will pose no problem at all.

Black lives matter uk have tweeted a grand total of twice on the subject once calling for justice and once saying they offer support to the family in the investigation process . Not exactly inflammatory.