[Closed] WTF - Naked rambler jailed for 5 months?

wonder what happened to his girlfriend? exposure?

Are prisons in Scotland cold?

Perth; the Windsor group hotel he has been in for the last 5 years is roasting hot,however it stinks of poo and cabbage.

wonder what happened to his girlfriend?

Also from Teh Grauniad article:

He returned to Roberts's native Bournemouth with court dates that meant he would have to go back to Scotland, and with a relationship that, away from the unique atmosphere of the walk, was no longer working. "She sensed the cause meant more to me than her," Gough says.

"It was very sad," Roberts recalls. "Steve knew he would be going to prison for a long time. We finished the relationship before he got on the plane. I worried for him, but I knew he'd suffer if he didn't follow what he feels is true and right."

As stated at the start of the thread this has been going on for years. The justice system has painted itself into a corner, he doesn't care and they cannot back down.

The "near the kids playground" is not relevant and indeed IMO shows journalistic licence trying to make the story more interesting.

This whole thing is an epic waste of time and money, our money as tax payers.

My 2.5yo daughter sees me and the missus naked pretty much every day and I'd have absolutely no problem with her seeing anybody else naked in a non-sexual context. I'm quite happy to take her into the gents if I have to for instance.

I never really understood this; that society deems it necessary to have segregated bathroom facilities but bringing opposite sex kids in is perfectly acceptable. Not that I'm overly fussed about it, but if I'm in a situation where I have to get my knob out in the presence of females then I'd probably be more comfortable with a mature audience than one comprised of curious three year olds.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but if a parent and child of differing sex need to use the facilities, it makes more sense to me for them to use the room which matches the gender of the child (who's going to be the one using it) rather than the parent. But people don't do that, because we're all so bloody repressed and hung up about bodies that we can't actually bring ourselves to walk into the opposing bathroom. Madness.

To be honest Cougar I'd always much rather take her to the Ladies, as if nothing else it tends to have slightly less pish on the floor and toilet seats.

Given the choice I usually take her into the disabled loo.

Genuine question to Graham - if you bring your littleun into the gents changing room, do you expect the other occupants to modify their behaviour or carry on as they were? Not talking about wind milling here as you would normally save that for the comfort of your own living room (you all do that don't you 😉 ) but unselfconscious moving around with knackers in full view.

It's probably the teacher in me trained to desperately try and avoid the potential of putting myself in a position from which I could be accused but if a dad and girl combo pitch up on the bench right next to me I feel the pervometer needle flicker if I don't contort myself in the opposite direction. My anxiety in this regard increased after I watched a kid brought into the changing room by her dad stumble and face planted a bystander's groin. Dad could have laughed it off or maybe even apologised but instead looked at the poor old boy like he had just propositioned his daughter for some oral gratification.

can they not just waterboard him till he begs for mercy? Then suggest that it would be a good idea to put some kit on. we'ed soon find out how commited he was. Alternatively could they not drop him off on Mingalay with a tent, he could live happily naked there.

Genuine question to Graham - if you bring your littleun into the gents changing room, do you expect the other occupants to modify their behaviour or carry on as they were?

Nah, carry on regardless. I'd rather you/they didn't swear in front of her obviously, but naked-wise I'm honestly not bothered and she wouldn't be either.

I accept I may be more relaxed about this than some though.

face planted a bystander's groin

That, however, would cause even me to blush a little 😀

Haven't read through all of this (so this may already have been mentioned) but the law is different in Scotland which is why he keeps ending up in prison there. I don't believe that 'just being naked' in England & Wales is a criminal offence as such.

So, my question is, being as he's resident in England then why does he spend so much time being naked in Scotland?

On at least one occasion, he's had to return to scotland for court dates, which has resulted in him being arrested again. "Oy, naked bloke, come here" "OK" "Aargh, a naked bloke! Arrest him for being here!"

Yeah, up here BoP is a criminal offence not a civil one.

So, my question is, being as he's resident in England then why does he spend so much time being naked in Scotland?

Kinda hard to do a LEJoG without visiting Scotland at some point.

Also challenging the law is part of his cause.

(He has been arrested twice in England by the way)

he's had to return to scotland for court dates, which has resulted in him being arrested again.

And he has been released, walked out naked, and been arrested again immediately. 😆

Yup- think this is covered earlier in the thread, but apparently in England, you need to have a complaint from a member of the public to have committed BoP, whereas in Scotland you don't.

I agree with those saying that the school angle is irrelevant and designed to manipulate.

If his actions are designed to show up the absurdities of modern life, then he's succeeded imo.

He is just partaking in a favourite bootneck pastime. If its not naked roll mat fighting, it's naked rambling. If its not naked rambling, it's naked bar. We bootnecks will find any old excuse to get naked.

[b]Cougar[/b]I never really understood this; that society deems it necessary to have segregated bathroom facilities

did I get the 100?

@zimbo - may I thank you. Until the Rosa Parks I was an unnoticed person it the doctors waiting room. Afterwards I am the object of dozens of beady pensioner stares for having the temerity to burst into fits of giggles.

Back on topic, seeing more naked bodies in all their variety might just readjust the view of a normal physique. I have no problem with nudity, we are naked under the clothes. As long as there is no intention to harm others the leave him be.

Quite common to have mixed bathrooms in France for example, urinals and stalls as it were.

Last time I was in France we were in a pub where the loo was just at the end of the bar and had a saloon style door, so you could still chat to people sat at the bar whilst you were taking a piss.

We really are ridiculously uptight in this country sometimes.

it nudity nothing more ..the only thing that offend me about naked bodies is when they are ugly or flabby; for this reason I have never proposed a STW naked ride

If you think it is sexual have a word with yourself not him

That said he doe seem to court controversy for whatever reason.

FWIW my kids would probably point at his winky and then laugh

maybe the stupid git should grow up and put some clothes on?

[quote=psling ]So, my question is, being as he's resident in England then why does he spend so much time being naked in Scotland?
Because he is trying to make a point. This isn't about him liking being naked, it's about him protesting about his right to be naked. That's why he wore clothes to board a flight at Southampton and removed them before landing in Edinburgh.

The last time he was released (naked), the police just let him saunter off. They even gave him advice on where he might not want to go in order not to be arrested, but 3 days later he went there anyway.

Agree or disagree, society at the moment doesn't seem to want to see naked folk wandering around the streets "willy"-nilly. He knows this and is deliberately challenging folk/setting out to offend.

Does anyone on here really think that this is such a worthwhile cause that you'd give up any prospect of being with your own children?

give the guy a break..
people refusing to follow the common standard are what sets us apart
other than outraging public decency what has he done.. nothing.. stole nothing.. hurt nobody.. said nothing.. all he does is wear nothing..
sure he's taking the point further than most would be thats his choice.

hes not waving his tickle tackle at kids.. grandmas... or even smirking

perhaps if more people were more accepting and open minded to the differences between us all we might all live in a better place..

besides which its mid sept you can bet he wont be wanting to go very far naked at the mo.

A loin cloth to walk free, not much to ask of him is it? In my local town centre I have to wear a T-shirt, when in Rome... . It strikes me that the locals are pretty open-minded/accomodating/tolerant but he's being bloody-minded.

If you don't like wearing clothes then choose to live in a naturist village, [url= http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkim37_zone-interdite-cap-d-agde-1_news ]Link to Cap d'Agde which is on the limit of work safe[/url]if you are prudish in the extreme then I suggest Saudi.

Edukator - he has already been allowed to walk free, unclothed. He simply chose to take on society/the authorities again.

I reckon they will keep him locked up until 2015 and then deport him to England 🙂

In the end though he was jailed for a breach of the peace. Right or wrong I can think of loads if people who wouldn't want him walking past their kids naked. The police know this aswell, they also know someone might have more than a quite word with him. It seems they bent over backwards to prevent a BOTP but he refused to cooperate. Prison seems stupid, but how stupid would the authorites be if they had to lock someone up for assaulting him.

The guys clearly got a screw loose, the justice and prison system need to fire him over the border and let his native justice system deal with his mental issues. The fact he likes kicking about kids play areas with his knob out speaks volumes about him.

[i]The fact he likes kicking about kids play areas with his knob out speaks volumes about him.[/i]

The real actual fact is that you've chosen to make this up about him, and that speaks volumes about you.

The guys clearly got a screw loose

Yet he has cruised through every psych evaluation.

The fact he likes kicking about kids play areas with his knob out speaks volumes about him.

Reading Comprehension: D- 😀

Perhaps put the pitchfork down and actually read the thread?

The fact he likes kicking about kids play areas with his knob out speaks volumes about him.

I think he was probably flaccid though, so does that make him not a paedophile, or merely an impotent paedophile? Which volume is that in?

The former marine, from Eastleigh in Hampshire, was sentenced at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court, where he appeared naked in the dock.

Ha ha, that's funny. Core till the end.

sentenced at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court, where he appeared naked in the dock.

I've been to Kirkcaldy. That explains a lot. It's a random place.

A devilishly attractive and seemingly naturally bald(*) woman working in McD's asked me where I was from, as it appeared she'd never heard an English accent before. I told her and she replied, "oh, down south."

A Chinese bloke passed us in the street wearing a shockingly lurid pink puffa jacket. My mate Dave and I struggled to keep a straight face and avoid catching each other's eye for fear of losing it. As he passed, Dave said sotto voice, "bloody hell, it's Jacket Chan." I had to have a sit down.

Many, many more random events in the same vein. Odd place.

(* - on her head)

Not read all the posts, but I can't help wondering that he has got himself locked up again just as the weather starts to get chilly.....?

He's not as daft as some of us think.

Around my way we see a lot of naked female hikers. Shocking and the Police wont do anything about it. The officers simply reply that theyll observe the situation to ensure theres no breach of the peace. Simply disgusting.

The officers simply reply that theyll observe the situation

Can't say as I blame them.

Have you formed a one-man Neighbourhood Watch to observe them at close quarters hora?

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The fact he likes kicking about kids play areas with his knob out speaks volumes about him.

It really doesn't, mostly because that's not what he does.

Look; I realise that you take not only yourself but everything on the internet very seriously

As the owners of this forum keep reminding everyone, play nice or don't play at all. As I said - criticise the argument, not the poster. Or don't, but that's a pretty good way to demonstrate that you've already lost the argument.

You actually realise very little about me, but that's not the point.

And you don't actually(as usual,)have an argument I give a toss about.TBH I think they should let TJ back just for you to have somebody to play with.

So why bother at all then? Why negatively attack a poster if you have not a jot of care about what they say? Why not save your efforts for something more worthwhile in life, like cracking offensive jokes about male rape in prison, you like doing that don't you? 🙄

There have been a lot of wildlife camera traps set up round here lately, and apparently they have spotted a surprising amount of naked runners in the early hours.

Surprising. Right. They don't call them twitchers for nothing.

he wasn't 'hanging around' a kids playground though was he.
he was walking past one,
and not even that close.
now, for the people claiming that it is stupid, giving up your liberty to defend what you see is right, i ask you to consider our military personnel who are willing to give their lives for what WE think is right.
freedom is not free

And if you don't throw in your buck o'five, who will?

Seems like he was given three perfectly reasonable and understandable options to avoid what could have been a potentially nasty situation (some people could have mistaken the intentions of a man walking naked near a children's play area ?)

The police seemed to see that it could have been something that may have caused a problem and offered him a few alternatives, one of which was a lift past the area so he could carry on without potential issues.

He chose not to accept these, frankly perfectly reasonable, offers.

Seems a bit strange to me.

Yeah, personal freedom and all that.

But there does need to be a bit of common sense thrown in to the mix too sometimes surely !!

Yep when asked and given a reasonable alternative he refused. I also assume he was informed of the consequences.

Almost like a recent debate on the clearouts in here....

There is standing up for your rights, making a point and then there is being a prick about it.

There is standing up for your rights, making a point and then there is being a prick about it.

Avoiding making a fuss and backing down immediately is the best way to be heard.

I'm sure we'd still be having this exact thread if every time someone asked him to put some clothes on, he'd said [i]"Oh terribly sorry. Of course I will"[/i]

Yep when asked and given a reasonable alternative he refused. I also assume he was informed of the consequences.

It's the Critical Mass argument all over again, isn't it.

Avoiding making a fuss and backing down immediately is the best way to be heard.

Surely he would be reaching a reasonable compromise, rather than backing down ?

Then he could have carried on making whatever his point is, as I'm fairly sure that getting locked up for most of the last 6 years hasn't exactly made this point very effectively.

And what exactly is the point he is trying to make ? I'm genuinely not sure.

He seems to get described as an "activist" but I'm not really sure what his cause is.

I'm fairly sure that getting locked up for most of the last 6 years hasn't exactly made this point very effectively.

I think it has. We're talking about it right now.

And what exactly is the point he is trying to make ? I'm genuinely not sure.

Read his quote earlier. Or his website. Basically he believes there is nothing intrinsically wrong with being naked, that people are good and that having an in-built fear that we're not good, our own bodies should offend us and that we have to watch ourselves in case we let some kind of demon out is a pretty unhealthy way to be.

So he challenges that perception and the laws that uphold it.

Ultimately: the dude wants to be naked. The only harm he has ever caused is making a mockery of the law.

I'm fairly sure that getting locked up for most of the last 6 years hasn't exactly made this point very effectively.

I think it has. We're talking about it right now.

But you have just communicated his cause to me better than the notoriety he has gained from his time in prison has.

I've read a fair bit about him recently, but honestly didn't know what his cause was, simply that he was labelled an "activist"

So maybe, if he put some effort into staying out of prison, and communicating his message a bit better, he would get his message heard a bit more effectively ?

But you have just communicated his cause to me better than the notoriety he has gained from his time in prison has.

And I know what his cause is because...?

I've read a fair bit about him recently

Presumably not including [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/mar/23/naked-rambler-prison ]The Guardian interview with him I posted earlier[/url] that outlined it pretty clearly. Or [url= http://www.nakedwalk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=32 ]his website[/url].

Interesting that society chooses to lock up a guy with no clothes who is identifiable and clearly not carrying bombs or weapons but allows people completely covered from head to foot in baggy atire with just a slit for their eyes into school playygrounds and anyone who objects will get arrested for racism.

So the questuon is, is he impressive flaccid?

A shower or a grower?

Interesting that society chooses to lock up a guy with no clothes who is identifiable and clearly not carrying bombs or weapons but allows people completely covered from head to foot in baggy atire with just a slit for their eyes into school playygrounds and anyone who objects will get arrested for racism.

That would be because making the unqualified connection between traditional Muslim dress and terrorism is racist, or at the very least xenophobic.

A church mouse?

No it wouldn't, it's you that's made the unqualified connection that I was careful to avoid, Zokes. I did not use the words "Muslim" or "terrorism" but you did. I made an obsevation that you interpreted as xenophobic but certainly wasn't intended as such.

No it wouldn't, it's you that's made the unqualified connection that I was careful to avoid, Zokes. I did not use the words "Muslim" or "terrorism" but you did. I made an obsevation that you interpreted as xenophobic but certainly wasn't intended as such.

You described the clothing in question as:

baggy atire with just a slit for their eyes

The only clothing I am aware of that would normally be found in school playgrounds and that fits this description is traditional Muslim dress. You implied that the wearer might be choosing to hide weapons / bombs underneath said clothing by drawing the connection that the naked rambler clearly can't hide these items.

Not really sure why you brought it up to be honest

A hoodie with the hood pulled down and a scarf pulled up over the nose leaving a slit for the eyes is popular among one minority including those picking up kids from school.

I implied nothing, my comment about not having bombs/weapons is clearly in the clause about the naked rambler not in the clause about baggy clothes and a slit for the eyes.

I'm not sure why you brought up Islam and terrorism to be honest, Zokes.

Now you've brought up religion though, Zokes, the naked ramber is being persecuted by a legal system that is answerable to a christian authority that has a legal system loosly based on christian values as lais out in the Bible.

Seems like he was given three perfectly reasonable and understandable options to avoid what could have been a potentially nasty situation (some people could have mistaken the intentions of a man walking naked near a children's play area ?)

The police seemed to see that it could have been something that may have caused a problem and offered him a few alternatives, one of which was a lift past the area so he could carry on without potential issues.

It does seem a bit like victim blaming though. He wouldn't be the one causing the problems, it would be those who choose to react aggressively, antagonistically or with any other negative emotion or physical act. Common sense is all well and good, but too often it is used a way of providing an easy way out. It's the same logic as advising women not to walk through parks at night, when really the parks should be safe enough for women to walk through at any time without fear of being attacjed.

The problem when principled people meet practical people I suppose, although of course both of those adjectives are themselves subjective!

Zokes;As the owners of this forum keep reminding everyone, play nice or don't play at all. As I said - criticise the argument, not the poster. Or don't, but that's a pretty good way to demonstrate that you've already lost the argument.

Two things; 1) I am so sorry that the post below offended you so much and was taken as an "attack" on you.
2) I didn't realise that I was arguing about anything; could you remind me what it was,as I seemed to point out quite clearly I thought both Gough and the law were daft?

Fair point Binners,well made. A little bit indelicate use of the language...

Stop press; it would seem that zokes and zimbo DO want to see his cock!

Posted 19 hours ago #

Again sorry; I retract that fully; you DON'T want to see his knob;
Zimbo the jury is still out on.

As your attempts to tar the above poster as racist show,(gosh it is like the rugby thread all over again.)I would again suggest you take yourself,and arguing on the internet, a little bit seriously.

As you were;
We now have religion in the mix? I will give it till noon. 😕

I'm not sure why you brought up Islam and terrorism to be honest, Zokes.

So, perhaps you have another reason why a person, in Muslim dress or a hoody, would want to carry "bombs or weapons" into "school playygrounds"?

I guess you might also want to consider under what circumstances "racism" would come into it if the "baggy atire with just a slit for their eyes" was just a hoody and a scarf. Not normally attire you would associate with an entire race...

Now you've brought up religion though, Zokes, the naked ramber is being persecuted by a legal system that is answerable to a christian authority that has a legal system loosly based on christian values as lais out in the Bible.

Agreed. I think we can agree that it's the law at fault here, and by reduction, the religious values upon which a lot of it is based.

I would again suggest you take yourself,and arguing on the internet, a little bit seriously.

Perhaps, but I'm pretty confident that's an improvement over continually trolling and cracking offensive jokes about male rape.

Whilst not particularly giving a monkeys about nakedness or otherwise it does seem that if he wants to make a point, he could vary his tactic a touch to avoid having to compromise his time on earth quite so much. There are other avenues of challenging the system.

I presume he takes advantage of all the tolerances and convenience of society vs living alone in a forest? If so then as a herd species he has to accept the occasional compromises to remain part of the herd. Im in full support of challenging society where it represses people's freedom and rights but I think there are smarter and maybe more effective methods..

Still, midges? Fair play.

My point was about objective and perceived danger, Zokes. The naked man is not an objective threat but can't even walk past a playground. Someone that can't be identified is allowed in.

You can only wear tight fitting trunks in my local swimming pool. The official reason is for hygiene. The unofficial but real reason is that some young males were hiding knives in their surf shorts to use in the regular incidents of civil unrest they provoked. Given the prudish nature of the young males concerned the insistence on close fitting trunks meant they stayed away from the pool. Peaceful swimming thanks to revealing trunks.

I really dont understand the French [ or your] obsession with the Burka.
In what objective sense are they a danger?

FWIW complete strangers [ unidentified individuals]can turn up at any school and get in [ well the gates if not the school] and they are equally "unknown" but you seem to be unconcerned by this just the Muslim ones.

What zokes says

When someone walks around in baggy clothes with their face covered you have no idead of their sex, age or corpulence. Security in modern society is based on surveillance systems that are designed to identify people using facial recognition techniques. Anyone wishing to commit a crime or be anti-social can beat all this sophisticated tehnology that benefits everybody simply by covering their face.

You have to take off a motorcycle helmet before you go into a bank or public building, hoodies and covered faces have been banned in various places. Hiding your face is generally considered unacceptable and threatening.

Security in modern society is based on surveillance systems that are designed to identify people using facial recognition techniques

How many threats has it caught?

continually trolling

Brilliant,coming from somebody who spent 4 pages arguing with TJ,despite everybody else using the thread begging you both to stop.:roll:
Again; I don't really think you want to see Mr Gough's bits;honest I was joking.

FWIW complete strangers [ unidentified individuals]can turn up at any school and get in [ well the gates if not the school]

And are then asked what their business is,surely? Schools aren't public sites,no entry except on school business and all that?

Brilliant

Still not addressing the issue of your offensive jokes though, are we?

You do seem to be prosecuting my posts on here remarkably diligently for someone who apparently "doesn't give a toss" about their content, nor is someone who by his own admission doesn't take the internet very seriously 😕

Turning Edukator's slightly xenophobic sounding statement around a little:

Assuming that someone in a Burqa (or Niqab) is some kind of terrorist is exactly the same sort of presumptuous, bigoted, intolerant and wrong-headed thinking that assumes a guy with no clothes on is some kind of sex pest.

Which kind of links nicely back to the Naked Ramblers point really.

And are then asked what their business is,surely? Schools aren't public sites,no entry except on school business and all that?

Not sure what your point is - I assume we both agree "unknown" people turn up at schools from time to time.
I assume they would all be asked/challenged whether they were a builder, in a suit or in a Burkha

You are trolling /certainly trying to get a reaction- and I am not sure why

five years??? regardless on the morality, justification of what he is doing, that is a ****ing joke. really depressing.

Ok, zokes you have worn me down, I give in. Again I apologise for saying you might want to see Mr Goughs knob, and am sorry that you are offended.

Junkyard my statement was that a stranger with their features covered would be asked what their business was far quicker than a delivery driver if they turned up in a playground, as the common perception would be that they were more of a "danger" than the man in the UPS uniform carrying a box.
And....People might(and it would appear did) have viewed a naked middle-aged man walking past a park in the same light.

Ok, zokes you have worn me down, I give in. Again I apologise for saying you might want to see Mr Goughs knob, and am sorry that you are offended.

Hint:

It was this bit that was a pretty thinly veiled offensive joke:

Still,look on the bright side; no prison issue clothes will be damaged or torn if his cell mate "gets lonely" one night.

For the record, I couldn't give a monkey's whether you think I want to see his knob or not. Jokes about male rape on the other hand, are quite a different matter.

Common perception = prejudice?

Surely he is safer as he is pretty visible and has nothing concealed on him 😉

A serial offender, who's refused mental health assessment.
The only option is to lock him up.

Ok zokes;Somebody else has taken issue with that,so I apologise for that,it was made with the background knowledge that he a)had been in solitary,and refused a move to the local open prison and b)wore clothes when exercising.It was still tasteless,but was made with the idea of a man who refuses clothing going to a place with a stereotye of what goes on.However you accused me of attacking the poster;which is why I assumed you were getting bent out of shape over my suggestion about you enjoying...well you now the rest.

Common perception = prejudice?

Surely he is safer as he is pretty visible and has nothing concealed on him

I would rather have the hood and scarf coming up to fight Tam in Y4 TBH. dealing with nudity in schoolgrounds is way out of my job description 😀

Aye more a Xmas do kind of thing innit 😉

last one I went to three teachers had a scrap with each other and it was in a public pub in the town we worked 😯

A serial offender, who's refused mental health assessment.

Refused the [b]latest[/b] mental health assessment, as he reportedly passed all the previous ones with no issues and is probably a little bit annoyed at continued attempts to portray him as a mentally unwell.

Someone not doing what the state tells them to do is not necessarily mentally unstable.

A serial offender, who's refused mental health assessment.
The only option is to lock him up.

Why? What harm is he actually doing? How much has this whole farce cost the Scottish government?

Video has been dropped in French schools following protests but the first thing the police/gendarme do when there is a serious crime is go around every shop, filling station, bank and traffic control centre and get all the video footage, and yes it has been used to bring many criminals to justice.

I think it is quite reasonable to ask the naked rambler to wear a loin cloth and equally reasonable for people to be recognisable in public. If the argument for jailing the naked rambler is that he poses some kind of threat then making people show their faces is far more important.

As Zokes has brought terrorism into the argument then Google brings up no cases of naked suicide bombers but a number with covered faces, including the type of dress Zokes and Junkyard refer to but I have been careful to avoid naming.