[Closed] WTF? Drive a pony & trap into a lake?

Just read this one myself. The mind well and truly boggles.

some disturbed individuals about. Why would anyone do this ?

Why would anyone do this ?

Um, cheaper than disposing of sick ponies the legal way?

We have 'traveller's' ponies on land near us, not the most well looked after animals you have have seen. Just about every week the newspaper prints a letter from a concerned member of the public, but apparently nothing can be done (Yeah, righto. Probably more like 'nothing can be done with out an outcry from the PC brigade).

I can't remember, are we allowed to use the 'P' word on here still?

As usual it will be a fine and a order to stop them keeping ponies for a few years. Lock the bastards up or better still throw them into a lake with lead around their ankles and see if they can swim out.

I can't remember, are we allowed to use the 'P' word on here still?

Dunno, can you use it at work or in the pub? If you do then you shouldn't shrink from using it on here should you?

I can't remember, are we allowed to use the 'P' word on here still?

Police also think an attempt was made to push a second pony into the water. Officers and the RSPCA are trying to establish a motive.

this is the bit i wonder about, they tried the same with a second pony, and if you read on they were last seen taking it away when they failed.

Wouldn't surprise me if the second pony turns up dead, or maybe it won't after being turned into meat. Do have to wonder about some people.

sick individuals yes, but you've got to have a proper odd psyche to have a "group" do something like that.

And as for pikeys disposing of ponies, they dont throw away valuable traps at the same time. Im sure its much easier for them just to leave the pony somewhere on the verge far enough away from the site.

So what group of people did this? I need to know before making some sweeping generalisations.

You're an Irish fella aren't you DD? It was probably you or one your many brothers or cousins or something wasn't it?

are the culprits not just a bunch of semi-feral teenagers or something then..?
or is it more sinister than that..?

So what group of people did this?

well, that is the question indeed.

Sounds very much like someone had a score to settle, I expect there is more to this than is being reported.

whoever they are, I doubt they nicked three ponies with traps attached. To harness up takes a bit of knowledge...

meet Micky, my bro's trap pony:
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It's stories like this that remind me I'm right to be leaving my estate to the donkey sanctuary.

Here's the web page if anyone wants to make a donation.

http://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/

Watch this space for more donkey related charity fund raising ideas.

There is a large community of travellers in Yately where the individuals were reported to be headed after the incident. Heading there in the travellers second most preferred mode of transport, the pony and trap.

Entirely co-incidental of course.

Is it not possible that someone stole them from travellers..iirc the populace views them with suspicion and treats them with contempt..and then drove them into a lake. Why would a "pikey" do this. It is like firebombing your own car and I doubt they have insurance for a pony and trap.
So lets ease off the prejudices guess worl for a minute and lets all agree it is cruel before deciding with no evidence that it was pikeys wot done it.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/868877-gang-of-travellers-hunted-by-police-after-drowning-pony-in-lake

Like the stock "pony" image 🙂

Daily Wail on the case also 😉

http://www.****/news/article-2013181/Gypsy-gang-deliberately-drowned-elderly-pony-lake-horrified-families.html

yossarian, it's just as well oi'm in a good mood today, else you'd be destined for a bunch of foives ye big fat racist. 🙂

[i] Why would a "pikey" do this. It is like firebombing your own car and I doubt they have insurance for a pony and trap.[/i]

Assuming it's your own car..

aye fair point it may be the settling of a score.

Um, cheaper than disposing of sick ponies the legal way?

Hawley Lake is surrounded by 1000s of acres of land open to the public, if they just wanted rid of them they could have just released them and let someone else sort the problem out. This is plain cruelty.

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Hawley Lake is surrounded by 1000s of acres of land open to the public, if they just wanted rid of them they could have just released them and let someone else sort the problem out. This is plain cruelty.

Ah, wouldn't work if they were homing ponies see! 😆

So lets ease off the prejudices...

Um, did you mean lets ignore the reported facts and pretend it was someone else? Wow, now that really is PC.

Sadly it's not just Ponies people are cruel to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-14088144

Forty seven baby and two adult pipistrelle bats have been found dumped in a box in Wiltshire, the RSPCA said.

The protected bats were discovered in a box at the side of a polo pitch at Perham Down near Tidworth on Wednesday.

Two females bats, one with a fractured wing, and 47 babies were taken to the Wiltshire Wildlife Hospital.

The BBC link , which I based my comments on , does not mention Pikeys. The metro one does in the headline but not in the story.
Oddly, and totally out of character, the Daily Mail mentions travellers in the text
I get a feeling you are putting more weight on the Daily Mail report than the BBC one though. Is that unPC gone mad 😉

Pikeys eat bats so it wasn't them

We have 'traveller's' ponies on land near us, not the most well looked after animals you have have seen.

All the horses I've ever seen around my neck of the woods owned by pikey's (in Addington and Hackbridge) have always seemed to be extremely healthy to me. But then I am neither an expert on horses nor do I have innate prejudice against pikey's, so I could be wrong.

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Just about every week the newspaper prints a letter from a concerned member of the public, but apparently nothing can be done (Yeah, righto. Probably more like 'nothing can be done with out an outcry from the PC brigade).

I've never before heard of the RSPCA, which can and will prosecute, putting political correctness before animal welfare. In fact the suggestion sounds so ridiculous to me, that I suspect it is in fact complete bollox.

Ah, wouldn't work if they were homing ponies see!

Good call. It never occured to me that they may be migratory ponies. 😆

Pikey, sound a little like ****, and just as offencive, would we be saying a bunch of 'darkies' quite so lightly? I daren't even use the 'N' word as an example!

There is no doubt whahappeneded to these animals is wrong and the people who did it may or may not have been members of a travelling community but does thamakeke the crime any better or worse? Is a black man who commits a crime and worse than a white man who commits a crime?

So my vote is for sympathy and concern without a touch of racism 😉

pikeys you say?

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Pikey, sound a little like ****, and just as offencive, would we be saying a bunch of 'darkies' quite so lightly? I daren't even use the 'N' word as an example!

Well the word pikey does indeed share 3 letters with the word **** so yes, I guess it does sound a little like it. But no, I don't consider pikey to be offensive - I have had a couple of proper romany pikey friends which used the term freely about themselves and others. Even though it is an all-embracing term for travellers.

I see no problem with referring to gentlemen and ladies of the road as turnpike travellers.

Mind you I am notoriously unPC ....... so you might want to discount my view on the matter on those grounds.

Politically Correct: A term to elevate the user. 🙂

so you might want to discount my view on the matter on those grounds.

when there's so many other grounds to choose from GG?
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[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pony-died-in-lake-accident-2311996.html ]It was an accident. [/url] 🙄

Hampshire police received conflicting stories about what happened, but said today the pony died in an accident.

Well the word pikey does indeed share 3 letters with the word **** so yes, I guess it does sound a little like it. But no, I don't consider pikey to be offensive - I have had a couple of proper romany pikey friends which used the term freely about themselves and others. Even though it is an all-embracing term for travellers.
I see no problem with referring to gentlemen and ladies of the road as turnpike travellers.
Mind you I am notoriously unPC ....... so you might want to discount my view on the matter on those grounds.

I think a lot of people use the term to specify someone who they look down on, rather like chav. A term of exclusion, usually sneeringly delivered. On that basis I don't like it or use it. Some of the traveller kids at my college call themselves and each other pikeys. I wouldn't, just like I wouldn't call a black guy a ****.

There is zero respect for travellers in the uk. I reckon that if Cameron brought in a law banning their lifestyle it would be supported by most.

rather like chav

interestingly the word chav is a bastardisation of chavvi which is a romany word for child, particularly but not always a male child..

I laughed at Jimmy Carr talking about the first time he read it in a newspaper headline - and thought it was pronounced "shav" 🙂

yunki i much prefer the highly inaccurate
Council Housed And Violent explanation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7446274.stm

Pikey (as **** and ****) are aloffenciveve terms, terms that should never be used - full stop!

A group of people using this (or any other racist term among themselves should also be discouragedaged as it is still racist language and just practice.

Suggesting that 'I know a Romany man who uses the term so it's all right' is silly, S.L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction calls everyone a ****, so is it OK to use this word too - NO.

I reckon that if Cameron brought in a law banning their lifestyle it would be supported by most.

Their lifestyle is pretty much illegal [i]right now[/i]. They certainly can't follow it and remain within the law - even if they buy their own land.

A Labour government under Harold Wilson made it a statutory responsibility for every council to provide adequate and reasonable provisions for gypsy sites. Thatcher scrapped the legislation.

New Labour attempted to reintroduce some responsibility to councils to provide help to travellers in establishing sites. Within [i]a few weeks[/i] of being in power the Tory/LibDem government scrapped the rules and looked at giving even more power to LAs to persecute travellers. Obviously it was an urgent and pressing issue for them.

http://www.****/news/article-1307176/Controversial-rules-forcing-councils-develop-traveller-sites-torn-up.html

It is nothing short of scandalous that a country which purports to be a "liberal democracy" should be so intolerant of those wish to pursue a lifestyle which doesn't strictly follow the preferred choice of the majority. Specially a [i]liberal democracy[/i] which so quick to condemn foreign governments concerning the plight of those who choose a less conventional lifestyle - such as the Marsh Arabs of Iraq. Yet another example of liberal democracy's hypocrisy.

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Pikey (as **** and ****) are aloffenciveve terms, terms that should never be used - full stop!

Yeah well, I use the words I want to use, not the ones which the PC Brigade tells me to use.

And according to your link :

[i]"Slang expert Tony Thorne says "pikey" was being used as far back as the 16th Century but has only become more offensive in the mainstream in the past four or five years". [/i]

So only more offensive in the past four or five years then - just call me old fashion then. Although I would challenge the claim that it was any more than very slightly offensive previously.

The problem occurs because posh Guardian-reading types often consider words which are completely innocuous in colloquial english, to be offensive. And they do like to tell the 'plebs' how they should speak.

Plus of course they see the word pikey as offensive simply because they see being a pikey as offensive. Following that logic therefore, calling someone a pikey is offensive. Not that they are intolerant or racist of course - perish the thought.

<wrings hands>

The problem occurs because posh Guardian-reading types often consider words which are completely innocuous in colloquial english, to be offensive. And they do like to tell the 'plebs' how they should speak.

Who exactly does the telling? I've been looking out for the mythical "PC Brigade" for years. I still haven't seen them.

Yeah well, I use the words I want to use, not the ones which the PC Brigade tells me to use.

Hmmmm....

I tend to use language appropriate to my audience. Does that make me PC?

I've been looking out for the mythical "PC Brigade" for years

I think it makes you considerate and unlikely to cause offence to your audience.
DD the PC brigade is the big building next door to the "thought police".
If you try really hard you can see them everywhere riding high horses in their ivory towers.

I used to live nearish to that lake, used to go for runs through the woods. It really was mostly chavs and pikeys around there.

They pop up on here sometimes Deadly, telling people not to use words such as "pikey" for example. There's nothing mythical about them at all. In Croydon I think they meet in the upstairs of the Dog and Bull in Surrey Street to plan their tactics . And they've been seen training early on Sunday mornings up on Farthing Downs with rolled up copies of the Guardian. Be forever vigilant is my advise.

Excellent vid that TheBrick

Are there ranks in the brigade?

I'm a bit confused now, am I meant to be offended by being Irish and having to listen to the term Pikey ? or horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where I take my kids to ride their bikes ?

RichJJ - Member
I'm a bit confused now, am I meant to be offended by being Irish and having to listen to the term Pikey ? or horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where I take my kids to ride their bikes ?

Offence is like free drink you should take as much of it as possible.

Offence is like free drink you should take as much of it as possible.

Sorry, relatively new on here, thanks for the pointer 😀

I'm a bit confused now, am I meant to be offended by being Irish and having to listen to the term Pikey ? or horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where I take my kids to ride their bikes ?

I think you are meant to be horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where you take your kids to ride their bikes.

This article might help you achieve the correct attitude :

[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/11/baying-thugs-drowned-pony-in-front-of-horrified-bystanders-115875-23262523/ ]Baying thugs drowned pony in front of horrified bystanders[/url]

Quote :

[i]"The baying travellers drove the animal and its trap into a lake, then forced the frightened beast down until it was entirely submerged."[/i]

Although the truth appears to be that some people were exercising a couple of ponies and traps by a lake, unfortunately one of the ponies entered the water. The people panicked trying to get it back on dry land, however this spooked the pony which went further out and appeared to have tried to swim across.

But whilst a trap presents no problem at all to a pony on dry land, in the water it sunk and dragged the pony down drowning it. One of the people did go into the water but couldn't save it. Then an unconnected witness removed his clothes and went in, unfortunately he was kicked in the head by the pony and needed hospital treatment.

The pony was micro-chipped but unfortunately it had been recently sold and the records had not been updated. I have no idea what a pony costs but I assume that it costs more than just a couple of bob, and I don't expect that people buy ponies just so that they can drown them.

Still none of that stops the Mirror from publishing its vile hate-filled article. Because whilst it wouldn't dream of printing a simular article about Muslims or black people (it's just not PC dontcha know) in keeping with the New Labour soft pseudo-left, it sees pikeys as fair game.

And the truth shouldn't effect your own personal prejudices against pikeys either.

HTH

People don't hate pikeys because of their ethnic background or any racist reasons, they hate them because they are thieving scum. How is this hard to understand?

How is this hard to understand?

I'm not as clever as you.

Good to see you're learning to accept that fact, here is a gold star.

Thank you.

My pleasure.

This thread has been far more instructive than I could have imagined - it encapsulates everything I despise about political correctness.

Because whilst people are happy to argue the toss about a "word", they totally ignore the hate which actually exists.

Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist.

This is what happens when you spend too much time reading the Guardian and are detached from real problems of prejudice.

Jesus wept.

but mohammed laughed his nuts off

ernie you sound like edukator did about the BBC

Ernie, you're no good at sarcasm.

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Are we doing fish puns now?

Junkyard - Member

ernie you sound like edukator did about the BBC

Gosh that hurt.

But why don't you do what you accuse others like Flashheart of not doing. If you have a different point of view, instead of posting a meaningless comment, why don't make your point. And if don't fancy that, why bother posting.

[i]"You can call travellers thieving scum just as long as you don't call them pikeys"[/i] is nonsense. And it's an example of everything that is wrong with pc bollox.

this is a very sad thread and something STW ought to be ashamed of. If it were forwarded to the Guardian there is a fair chance the magazine would go the same way as the News of the World!

It was not designed to be hurtful and it made a point - you are well aware of the point I was making and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

"You can call travellers thieving scum just as long as you don't call them pikeys" is nonsense. And it's an example of everything that is wrong with pc bollox.

I doubt we will agree on this.

It was not designed to be hurtful and it made a point - you are well aware of the point I was making and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

😕 No one made any "point", other than meaningless comments, to my allegation that [i]"Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist"[/i]

Deadly mentioned that Jesus had wept, Stoner talked about Mohammed laughing, Flashheart advised me on sarcasm, aracer posted a picture, and you told me that I sounded like edukator.

I was actually mildly amused by the reaction/lack of reaction.

This thread nicely epitomises political correctness, which as you know, I feel quite strongly about. I got more stick for using the word pikey, which is an everyday word that I use, than randomjeremy got for calling them "thieving scum". In fact he didn't get any stick over it at all. The 'political correct' nonsense in a nutshell 8)

This thread nicely epitomises political correctness

No, it doesn't.

I feel quite strongly about

Yeah, I think we can see that. You hardly ever miss an opportunity to let us know that you're ever so unPC ernie and that we need to be ever watchful for the PC brigade who would be telling us all what language we can and can't use.

Frankly though, it's bollocks.

No one made any "point", other than meaningless comments, to my allegation that "Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist"

That's because your allegation is foundless. 'Political correctness' is a term, used exclusively by people who [b]know[/b] that their language is likely to cause offence in it's target audience, to justify themselves. It's a smokescreen. Nothing less, nothing more. The feelings, needs and attitudes of society change, why should language be set in stone? Too dogmatic, even for a lefty 🙂

"You can call travellers thieving scum just as long as you don't call them pikeys" is nonsense. And it's an example of everything that is wrong with pc bollox.

That's just nonsense and a distortion of your own argument!

What actual point are you trying to make ernie because I'm confused? Is this about how you label people? or about how you don't? Or about the non existent 'PC brigade'?

Have we actually got a definitive answer to what happened in the news story that triggered this ejaculation?

Most people will always hate pikeys/gypos. Most people will use words and phrases that are deliberately offensive and exclusive to describe them. Having a lower status social group to hate makes people feel hard and included.

Edit to previous.

I note that the beeb plus others are now calling this 'a tragic accident' rendering the central point of this thread totally null. How funny. Still I'm sure some coon will stab someone today so we can get excited about that instead.

deadlydarcy - Member

This thread nicely epitomises political correctness

[b]"No, it doesn't"[/b].

How would you know ? ........remember, according to you it doesn't exist. You're getting yourself in a little bit of a muddle aren't you.

Have we actually got a definitive answer to what happened......

Yes, I gave it - the pony was not purposefully drowned and it was an accident. But you were probably too busy tut-tutting at my use of the word pikey, to have noticed that. You probably also failed to notice that I am the only one on this thread who has repeated defended pikeys in an actual meaningful manner. You and Deadly have concentrated on amusing comments about being Irish.

The truth is out there to be discovered if people aren't firstly blinded by their own prejudices.

to my allegation that "Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist"

Is complete tosh Ernie - and I am suprised you don't know it. I guess you are confusing political correctness which is a linguistic philosophy, no more and no less with the "Political correctness gone mad" headlines of the daily wail.

All political correctness tried to do was to use non pejorative terms for people. This is a good thing surely?

As for "Pikey" as a term. Mildly offensive perhaps. epends on context rather I think. Nothing to ghet your knickers in a twist about unless it is used as a pejorative label.

- the pony was not purposefully drowned and it was an accident.

The last report I read had the police stating it [b]may [/b]have been an accident and that there were contradictory witness statements.

You're getting yourself in a little bit of a muddle aren't you.

No, thanks for your concern ernie, but I'm not. I think it's you that seems to be getting a little frothy about this whole PC thing - but we're used to that. If you must use a term to elevate yourself before being a bit edgy with your choice of words, then yeah, go ahead and use "PC" - what I'm saying is that there is no PC Brigade marching the streets telling you what language you can and can't use. There is no legion of guardian reading posh types who tell me what language I can and can't use. In fact, I decide that all by myself - usually according to the moral zeitgeist of the time in which I live, and the company I'm keeping. As pointed out by others, the term is used by those who are about to offend.

My original comment was:

So what group of people did this? I need to know before making some sweeping generalisations.

Because I suspected that there was plenty that we didn't know about the story and hey, indeed there was (this would be a lucky guess on my part...I wouldn't normally be that perceptive like...). I chose not to enter the good pikey-bad pikey debate because it only ever goes one way on STW (especially when you get involved). And I did think there was going to be a lot more to the story. But good on you for standing up for them ernie. Your reward awaits you somewhere. The sweeping generalisations thing was just my attempt at sarcasm.

You and Deadly have concentrated on amusing comments about being Irish.

What a ****ing cheap shot ernie. You're not normally that desperate to score points but you went low there. Yossarian made a quip about me being Irish - I have two choices here - either I froth at the mouth at the whole unPC-ness of his comment or I take it as (I think it was) intended and make light of it - it goes in my mickey-taking bank and yossarian, I'm sure, will return the favour of letting me take the mick out of him in the near future. If I'd gone off on one about his comments you'd now be accusing me of being, hmmm, let me think...part of your mythical PC-brigade.