[Closed] WTF? Drive a pony & trap into a lake?

<wrings hands>

The problem occurs because posh Guardian-reading types often consider words which are completely innocuous in colloquial english, to be offensive. And they do like to tell the 'plebs' how they should speak.

Who exactly does the telling? I've been looking out for the mythical "PC Brigade" for years. I still haven't seen them.

Yeah well, I use the words I want to use, not the ones which the PC Brigade tells me to use.

Hmmmm....

I tend to use language appropriate to my audience. Does that make me PC?

I've been looking out for the mythical "PC Brigade" for years

I think it makes you considerate and unlikely to cause offence to your audience.
DD the PC brigade is the big building next door to the "thought police".
If you try really hard you can see them everywhere riding high horses in their ivory towers.

I used to live nearish to that lake, used to go for runs through the woods. It really was mostly chavs and pikeys around there.

They pop up on here sometimes Deadly, telling people not to use words such as "pikey" for example. There's nothing mythical about them at all. In Croydon I think they meet in the upstairs of the Dog and Bull in Surrey Street to plan their tactics . And they've been seen training early on Sunday mornings up on Farthing Downs with rolled up copies of the Guardian. Be forever vigilant is my advise.

Excellent vid that TheBrick

Are there ranks in the brigade?

I'm a bit confused now, am I meant to be offended by being Irish and having to listen to the term Pikey ? or horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where I take my kids to ride their bikes ?

RichJJ - Member
I'm a bit confused now, am I meant to be offended by being Irish and having to listen to the term Pikey ? or horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where I take my kids to ride their bikes ?

Offence is like free drink you should take as much of it as possible.

Offence is like free drink you should take as much of it as possible.

Sorry, relatively new on here, thanks for the pointer 😀

I'm a bit confused now, am I meant to be offended by being Irish and having to listen to the term Pikey ? or horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where I take my kids to ride their bikes ?

I think you are meant to be horrified that some Pikey scum could do that to any animal in an area where you take your kids to ride their bikes.

This article might help you achieve the correct attitude :

[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/11/baying-thugs-drowned-pony-in-front-of-horrified-bystanders-115875-23262523/ ]Baying thugs drowned pony in front of horrified bystanders[/url]

Quote :

[i]"The baying travellers drove the animal and its trap into a lake, then forced the frightened beast down until it was entirely submerged."[/i]

Although the truth appears to be that some people were exercising a couple of ponies and traps by a lake, unfortunately one of the ponies entered the water. The people panicked trying to get it back on dry land, however this spooked the pony which went further out and appeared to have tried to swim across.

But whilst a trap presents no problem at all to a pony on dry land, in the water it sunk and dragged the pony down drowning it. One of the people did go into the water but couldn't save it. Then an unconnected witness removed his clothes and went in, unfortunately he was kicked in the head by the pony and needed hospital treatment.

The pony was micro-chipped but unfortunately it had been recently sold and the records had not been updated. I have no idea what a pony costs but I assume that it costs more than just a couple of bob, and I don't expect that people buy ponies just so that they can drown them.

Still none of that stops the Mirror from publishing its vile hate-filled article. Because whilst it wouldn't dream of printing a simular article about Muslims or black people (it's just not PC dontcha know) in keeping with the New Labour soft pseudo-left, it sees pikeys as fair game.

And the truth shouldn't effect your own personal prejudices against pikeys either.

HTH

People don't hate pikeys because of their ethnic background or any racist reasons, they hate them because they are thieving scum. How is this hard to understand?

How is this hard to understand?

I'm not as clever as you.

Good to see you're learning to accept that fact, here is a gold star.

Thank you.

My pleasure.

This thread has been far more instructive than I could have imagined - it encapsulates everything I despise about political correctness.

Because whilst people are happy to argue the toss about a "word", they totally ignore the hate which actually exists.

Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist.

This is what happens when you spend too much time reading the Guardian and are detached from real problems of prejudice.

Jesus wept.

but mohammed laughed his nuts off

ernie you sound like edukator did about the BBC

Ernie, you're no good at sarcasm.

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Are we doing fish puns now?

Junkyard - Member

ernie you sound like edukator did about the BBC

Gosh that hurt.

But why don't you do what you accuse others like Flashheart of not doing. If you have a different point of view, instead of posting a meaningless comment, why don't make your point. And if don't fancy that, why bother posting.

[i]"You can call travellers thieving scum just as long as you don't call them pikeys"[/i] is nonsense. And it's an example of everything that is wrong with pc bollox.

this is a very sad thread and something STW ought to be ashamed of. If it were forwarded to the Guardian there is a fair chance the magazine would go the same way as the News of the World!

It was not designed to be hurtful and it made a point - you are well aware of the point I was making and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

"You can call travellers thieving scum just as long as you don't call them pikeys" is nonsense. And it's an example of everything that is wrong with pc bollox.

I doubt we will agree on this.

It was not designed to be hurtful and it made a point - you are well aware of the point I was making and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

😕 No one made any "point", other than meaningless comments, to my allegation that [i]"Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist"[/i]

Deadly mentioned that Jesus had wept, Stoner talked about Mohammed laughing, Flashheart advised me on sarcasm, aracer posted a picture, and you told me that I sounded like edukator.

I was actually mildly amused by the reaction/lack of reaction.

This thread nicely epitomises political correctness, which as you know, I feel quite strongly about. I got more stick for using the word pikey, which is an everyday word that I use, than randomjeremy got for calling them "thieving scum". In fact he didn't get any stick over it at all. The 'political correct' nonsense in a nutshell 8)

This thread nicely epitomises political correctness

No, it doesn't.

I feel quite strongly about

Yeah, I think we can see that. You hardly ever miss an opportunity to let us know that you're ever so unPC ernie and that we need to be ever watchful for the PC brigade who would be telling us all what language we can and can't use.

Frankly though, it's bollocks.

No one made any "point", other than meaningless comments, to my allegation that "Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist"

That's because your allegation is foundless. 'Political correctness' is a term, used exclusively by people who [b]know[/b] that their language is likely to cause offence in it's target audience, to justify themselves. It's a smokescreen. Nothing less, nothing more. The feelings, needs and attitudes of society change, why should language be set in stone? Too dogmatic, even for a lefty 🙂

"You can call travellers thieving scum just as long as you don't call them pikeys" is nonsense. And it's an example of everything that is wrong with pc bollox.

That's just nonsense and a distortion of your own argument!

What actual point are you trying to make ernie because I'm confused? Is this about how you label people? or about how you don't? Or about the non existent 'PC brigade'?

Have we actually got a definitive answer to what happened in the news story that triggered this ejaculation?

Most people will always hate pikeys/gypos. Most people will use words and phrases that are deliberately offensive and exclusive to describe them. Having a lower status social group to hate makes people feel hard and included.

Edit to previous.

I note that the beeb plus others are now calling this 'a tragic accident' rendering the central point of this thread totally null. How funny. Still I'm sure some coon will stab someone today so we can get excited about that instead.

deadlydarcy - Member

This thread nicely epitomises political correctness

[b]"No, it doesn't"[/b].

How would you know ? ........remember, according to you it doesn't exist. You're getting yourself in a little bit of a muddle aren't you.

Have we actually got a definitive answer to what happened......

Yes, I gave it - the pony was not purposefully drowned and it was an accident. But you were probably too busy tut-tutting at my use of the word pikey, to have noticed that. You probably also failed to notice that I am the only one on this thread who has repeated defended pikeys in an actual meaningful manner. You and Deadly have concentrated on amusing comments about being Irish.

The truth is out there to be discovered if people aren't firstly blinded by their own prejudices.

to my allegation that "Political correctness is a nonsense which deals with problems that don't exist, at the expense of problems which do exist"

Is complete tosh Ernie - and I am suprised you don't know it. I guess you are confusing political correctness which is a linguistic philosophy, no more and no less with the "Political correctness gone mad" headlines of the daily wail.

All political correctness tried to do was to use non pejorative terms for people. This is a good thing surely?

As for "Pikey" as a term. Mildly offensive perhaps. epends on context rather I think. Nothing to ghet your knickers in a twist about unless it is used as a pejorative label.

- the pony was not purposefully drowned and it was an accident.

The last report I read had the police stating it [b]may [/b]have been an accident and that there were contradictory witness statements.

You're getting yourself in a little bit of a muddle aren't you.

No, thanks for your concern ernie, but I'm not. I think it's you that seems to be getting a little frothy about this whole PC thing - but we're used to that. If you must use a term to elevate yourself before being a bit edgy with your choice of words, then yeah, go ahead and use "PC" - what I'm saying is that there is no PC Brigade marching the streets telling you what language you can and can't use. There is no legion of guardian reading posh types who tell me what language I can and can't use. In fact, I decide that all by myself - usually according to the moral zeitgeist of the time in which I live, and the company I'm keeping. As pointed out by others, the term is used by those who are about to offend.

My original comment was:

So what group of people did this? I need to know before making some sweeping generalisations.

Because I suspected that there was plenty that we didn't know about the story and hey, indeed there was (this would be a lucky guess on my part...I wouldn't normally be that perceptive like...). I chose not to enter the good pikey-bad pikey debate because it only ever goes one way on STW (especially when you get involved). And I did think there was going to be a lot more to the story. But good on you for standing up for them ernie. Your reward awaits you somewhere. The sweeping generalisations thing was just my attempt at sarcasm.

You and Deadly have concentrated on amusing comments about being Irish.

What a ****ing cheap shot ernie. You're not normally that desperate to score points but you went low there. Yossarian made a quip about me being Irish - I have two choices here - either I froth at the mouth at the whole unPC-ness of his comment or I take it as (I think it was) intended and make light of it - it goes in my mickey-taking bank and yossarian, I'm sure, will return the favour of letting me take the mick out of him in the near future. If I'd gone off on one about his comments you'd now be accusing me of being, hmmm, let me think...part of your mythical PC-brigade.

The last report I read had the police stating it may have been an accident and that there were contradictory witness statements.

does that say more about the prejudices of the witnesses...?

All political correctness tried to do was to use non pejorative terms for people.

No, that's called challenging prejudices - something which everyone should do. Political correctness is about getting bogged down telling people not to use words which self-righteous broadsheet readers find offensive, at the expense of real issues. Political correctness would be far more acceptable if those that banged on about it so much, actually made as much effort fighting real prejudices. And if they didn't alienate people with their petty nonsense.

And believe me political correctness alienates people. Which is something that racists, bigots, and misogynists, fully exploit to their advantage.

The detachment of the PC Brigade from the world of real prejudices has never been lost on me. It's no coincidence that the 'feminists' that make such an issue about 'chairperson' or 'spokeperson' are invariable well-paid professionals who have far more economic power than the average man. And yet they will waffle on endlessly how they are have suffered prejudice in a sexist world.

What a **** cheap shot ernie. You're not normally that desperate to score points but you went low there.

Don't get so touchy Deadly. If you want to have an amusing bit of banter with yossarian why would that bother me ? My point that I actually stood up for travellers and made comments about the prejudices, persecution, and disadvantages, which they face, including legal ones, whilst others said nothing on those issues, still stands.

Don't get so touchy Deadly. If you want to have an amusing bit of banter with yossarian why would that bother me ?

I'm not touchy ernie, but again, thanks for your withering, patronising concern. It was you that made the comment about it in the first place - but now you're not so bothered - make up your mind about what you want to have a go about!

You still haven't identified the PC brigade that you keep banging on about - because of course, it's mythical and a term you use to have a pop at people who don't want to offend others while you valiantly defend them instead.

Is there a book they've written where we can all check our language against?

What amuses me is how a discussion about a disgusting act of animal cruelty turns into the usual STW bickering and infighting.
One person desperately trying to sound cleverer than the other.
So f^&*ing tedious.

Anyway, is 2 years old for a pony? Cos one story says it a 2 year old, another says its elderly 😕

I'm not touchy ernie, but again, thanks for your withering, patronising concern.

"I'm not touchy but thanks for your withering, patronising concern" ? LOL 🙂

LOL indeed ernie...I can point out where you're being a cock without being touchy y'know.

Political correctness would be far more acceptable if those that banged on about it so much, actually made as much effort fighting real prejudices.

Who bangs on about it so much? Except Richard Littlejohn of course, but I don't think you're referring to him?

I got more stick for using the word pikey, which is an everyday word that I use, than randomjeremy got for calling them "thieving scum". In fact he didn't get any stick over it at all. The 'political correct' nonsense in a nutshell

Not sure that is true you seemed to have dealt with that issue by your self so there seemed little point wading in.

You probably also failed to notice that I am the only one on this thread who has repeated defended pikeys in an actual meaningful manner

The truth is out there to be discovered if people aren't firstly blinded by their own prejudices.

OH THE IRONING of that statement ernie

I can point out where you're being a cock without being touchy y'know.

Touchy cock. *collapses into childish giggles*

Touchy cock. *collapses into childish giggles*

I only wish I'd read that back to myself a few times before posting it. 😀