[Closed] Wi-Fi Radiation

I doubt BT would go for that - isn't it a selling point of theirs that you can give up a bit of your wi-fi and access hot spots throughout the country?

Is that why my nipples are always hard?

Unnecessary radiation = bad (let's leave it at that for now)

So if you turn off the wi-fi, that will just leave the 'radiation' coming from all the mobile phone networks and TV and radio stations. A drop in the ocean by comparison ?

Most routers have 2 already, mine certainly does.

Dunno why you'd be arsed about radio signals though, unless you're desperate for something to panic about.

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Even our Wi-Fi gets left on accidentally sometimes, because it's actually pretty difficult to toggle it on/off

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Better turn the lights off

And hide from the sun.

Though the OP's tinfoil hat will help.

Current gen O2 routers have a button on the top that's the wifi indictor, press it for 5 seconds and the wifi will turn off.

Remember it's 'non ionising' radiation i.e. at very low levels that are generally not harmful. All mobile phone sites, handsets and I think WIFI routers are designed to comply with the very strict international ICNIRP standards therefore I'd suggest there's no need to worry and there's no need for kit manufacturers to adjust the kit.

.....unless you're desperate for something to panic about.

And there's the answer.

So if you turn off the wi-fi, that will just leave the 'radiation' coming from all the mobile phone networks and TV and radio stations. A drop in the ocean by comparison ?

Unnecessary radiation = bad (let's leave it at that for now)

Sorry if that sounds rude but....
Actually it was meant to

Unnecessary radiation = bad (let's leave it at that for now)

I'll take a wild guess and say you don't have a science degree

There is far more energetic radiation streaming out of every lightbulb in your house and out of the big yellow thing in the sky (when it makes an appearance) So much radiation infact that prolonged exposure can lead to burns.

Scary stuff maybe we should worhip the yellow sky god 😉

AlexSimon - Member
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Sensible?

Not really.

No.

Sometimes its my Willy too. I also wear a tin foil hat; my mum made it with a strap so it don't keep falling off!

on my iPhone

They used to say cigarettes were good for you.

Unnecessary radiation = bad (let's leave it at that for now)

lol, like that was ever going to happen.

How would I go about getting support for this idea?

Try another forum?

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Unnecessary radiation = bad (let's leave it at that for now)

It gets a lot less scary if you just say "Unnecessary [b]radio[/b]", since that is what it is.

Do you ever watch TV, listen to the radio or use a mobile? How do you think those signals got there? You're surrounded by radio signals all the time.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum

Of all the inane pointless nonsense to stress about!?!

Even if the OP is 100% correct it cant be stopped or changed just like as mentioned mobile phone radiation, microwave radiation, skinny bike saddles making you seedless etc
fact is stressing about this is far more damaging to your body than all the polution silliness. Unless radiation has rendered your adrenal gland inoperative. Silly OP!

Vorlich, why are you posting pictures of yuh mum? what's that got to do with radiation?

It gets a lot less scary if you just say "Unnecessary radio", since that is what it is.

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

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Interesting how the relative dosages stack up.
N.B. as pointed out in the post above, and in the diagram, non-ionising radiation does not pose a cancer risk

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here you go, once you know what piffling amount of Rad it's gobbing out, then you can work out how far away to stand whilst being indignant.

Occupational 5R/yr = 5,000mR/yr

Non-Occupational .1R/yr = 100mR/yr

+ 100mR/yr (background)*
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= 200mR/yr total

*estimated annual exposure to background radiation

Plenty of room for extra radiation for you non-rad workers, so you could afford to use your router as a testicle tray should the urge take you.

Wi-Fi is very very low radiation - transmit powers compared to other sources.

GSM, local radio and TV al transmit powers 100s - 1000s of times higher. Thats why you don't see a TV mast at the end of every street. IF there is an issue it would be from GSM first but there is a lot of natural radiation as well.

Kayak I'd have to change those screws in your sockets, should be slotted and at vertical or horizontal!

If it makes you happy, our wieless router is on a timer switch so the whole thing is off when we're at work or overnight. It is this way because (a) I had a spare timer lying around and (b) it will probably save me about tuppence a year. Every little helps, right?

Plenty of room for extra radiation for you non-rad workers, so you could afford to use your router as a testicle tray should the urge take you.

That and the sun, the granite, the lights and everything else.

And the big bang. Good luck avoiding that 🙂

I did whenever I missed that warming feeling I used to get at work

Powerlines. You need to google powerlines.

2G/3G/Wifi radio is fine. Worked in labs with this stuff blasting out for years. Never caused a problem.

We did think it strange that everyone at work had female children but science says 45/50 kids is not a valid sample size.

I'll take a wild guess and say you don't have a science degree

There is far more energetic radiation streaming out of every lightbulb in your house and out of the big yellow thing in the sky (when it makes an appearance) So much radiation infact that prolonged exposure can lead to burns.

Scary stuff maybe we should worhip the yellow sky god

Like D'uh - that's why we turn the sun off at night. I could send you an internet link to prove this, but it is very hard typing with an anti-radiation suit on.

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lol - ah well 🙂
I've just climbed out of my lead-lined bunker to read the responses.

I guess I was expecting that reducing [b]unnecessary[/b] radiation couldn't possible be seen as a bad thing.

BTW - This came about because I'm designing a web-interface for a router at the moment. We're trying to make it as user-friendly as possible as it's a mass-market device. Putting a wi-fi on/off button on the front page (before entering admin password) has already been suggested by client. I thought it was a good idea.

Back into my bunker to eat my dinner, if I can fit it through the mouthpiece of my custom Troy Lee tin-foil helmet.

you could afford to use your router as a testicle tray should the urge take you.

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Putting WiFi on/off before the admin screen sounds wrong - someone could turn it on if it is meant to be off...

Rachel

Putting a wi-fi on/off button on the front page (before entering admin password) has already been suggested by client. I thought it was a good idea.

Wait.. so [i]anyone[/i] on your network can randomly switch off/on the wifi??
Regardless of the science, that is a crap idea!

Most routers let you turn off wifi. Can be handy if you need to lock down the network completely and just use it as a modem/switch.

But "radiation" is not a scientifically sound reason (though it [i]would[/i] probably sell to the gullible quite well).

any radiation that is high rated is dangerous not only wifi radiation but also any networking radiation, so how much radiation pass through one our uses with router ?

Erm...

.... so how much radiation pass through one our uses with router ?

Erm ........ 6 ?

Eleventy four?

DD-WRT firmware allows you to set radio time restrictions so it turns off at certain times of the day.

Great for setting up a "teenager" wifi point which goes silent after 10pm.

Putting a wi-fi on/off button on the front page (before entering admin password) has already been suggested by client. I thought it was a good idea.

Handy, so you can connect over the wifi to turn the wifi off, and then turning it back on is dead easy cos you can just.....wait a minute 😉

What we really need is a new non-scary word for non-ionising radiation.

I propose radiolove.

Your router could have a button saying "share the radiolove"

Putting WiFi on/off before the admin screen sounds wrong - someone could turn it on if it is meant to be off...

Rachel

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We considered not making users log in for certain functions as, if Wi-Fi was off, they'd have to be hard wired into the network to do that. In the end, we're following suit.

The client is leaning on user-friendliness being their main USP.

The client is leaning on user-friendliness being their main USP.

By including features that nobody actually needs? Interesting approach 😀

That a timer is provided in the router web-interface so that you can easily set it to switch off Wi-Fi automatically at night.

My Belkin one has a powersave function that you can use to turn it off at night automatically.

I would not bother with a wifi off button on the admin page. NO-ONE who needs a user friendly router will EVER bother to do that - guaranteed.

If you want to make powersave userfriendly, give it simple profiles so you can select 'overnight', 'overnight+work day' or 'custom' or something.

A button on top would be much more useful, but still not very useful as you would just turn the router off with a switch when you turn the telly and sky+ and everything else off before bed.

Wow... what a thread. FWIW the BBC and ITV are transmitting radio waves at you, and they put Loydd Webber in their's. If that doesn't shrivel your todger nothing will...

Most wireless routers scale down to lower bandwidth when not being used by the way... but that's only so smaller band width can get in-between the molecules in your tin foil hat...

Oh and if you get muesli don't eat the brazil nuts, that's where they hide the thought controlling radiation...

Button without login = security risk.
Button with login = too much faff to use.

If you really, really needed a 'disable wifi' option, I'd want a physical switch on the router itself.

TBH though, I'm not really seeing anything to gain from it (other than in very niche circumstances) that couldn't be achieved by just switching off the whole router, certainly from a 'green' perspective anyway.

What might be more use is the option to schedule it. WiFi goes off automatically when it's the kids' bedtime, for instance.

Yup physical button, with maybe even simple on/off time setting on an LCD display.
I have a feeling that a large proportion of the people who'd like to just switch the wifi off and on in a simple fashion probably won't have the technical competence to point a browser at their router in the first place.

The client is leaning on user-friendliness being their main USP.

So this will already have come out when they spoke to all their users, no?

With respect, if your design brief is 'make shit up as you go along' then I guarantee with cast-iron certainty that whatever the end product is, user-friendly will not be its USP. You need to establish exactly what users' requirements are before you start, which you don't appear to have done.

Soliciting input here is fine, of course, and arguably could be included as part of your initial consultation / market research. But you simply cannot design a user-centric product without any users. If you were my developers, I think I'd be getting a little twitchy.

hmmm - I can see that this topic has got everyone's hackles up.
I shall leave it there.
Cheers all!

But you simply cannot design a user-centric product without any users.

There is a lot of refining and optimising of products and interfaces that you can do without any user feedback. In real life, that type of activity takes up a lot of user experience folks' time. We rely on our experience, education and training to do what we can to simplify, clarify and harmonise what is often a tangled mess of requirements, objectives and existing work.

Unfortunately, the client / product owner does not always want to hear that he does not know his users well enough to define or envision a product. Ultimately it's the person with the budget who has the final say, and UX is still often seen as a 'nice-to-have' or something that can be added in towards the end of a build. Education is a constant part of our job and sometimes feels like a losing battle.

Getting to the stage where UX has enough buy-in, understanding and credibility to be able to go back to a business and say 'we are going to talk to users to find out what your product should [i]really[/i] be' is almost a Holy Grail of user experience design. Not quite, perhaps, and it's getting better, but it's still the reality in many cases. Getting budget for research up-front is not easy.

So I think you're right, Cougar, but perhaps coming on a little strong.

AlexSimon - Member
hmmm - I can see that this topic has got everyone's hackles up.
I shall leave it there.
Cheers all!

Please tell me you see why though!!

Do you also do the "Sciency Bit" for shampoo ads?

It seems very 'Daily Wail', to get concerned about wifi, I regularly see features where they're getting very upset about wifi in schools frying their little darlings brains.
I'm staying near Start Point at the mo', and there are two chuffing great radio masts near where I'm living, and a sign on the fence says 'No Parking', and smaller text explains that the radiation can adversely affect cars!
Your wifi is insignificant.
You don't live in Cornwall, by any chance?

This thread pissed me off so much I decided not to bother...

I'm just going to have a depressed sigh and then facepalm.

any radiation that is high rated is dangerous not only wifi radiation but also any networking radiation, so how much radiation pass through one our uses with router ?

Anyone got a .44 magnum, I feel like ending my misery?

Will all those jimmy Saville broadcasts have made paedophile?

What about a non email-off button?

I wouldn't worry about it. The weaker your router wifi appears to your computer/phone, the more energy your computer/phone belts out trying to talk to it. Bear in mind you sit next to your computer, not your router.

FritzBox has night mode to toggle WiFi off.
Also has a button to toggle it on/off.
Also has a setting for low/high WiFi power too (unsurprising, since all the chipsets allow that for EU/US/Japan etc. laws, and the linux driver lets you toggle between them all anyway - they're just defaulted to region of sale). Probably with a minor hack you can also enable the extra channels that are allowed elsewhere.

Kaesae to the forum please 🙄

I could throw my Home Hub out the window and hit the local exchange where the mast is mounted so the rad levels are not relevant to me but........as my Hub sits next to the computer I would like a simple switch to stop it broadcasting and use it hardwired on the basis that nobody can hack in to a non-existent signal.

Im a RF systems design engineer, and Im more worried about the radiation from light bulbs, than wifi.

Do not let your concerns about wifi spoil your enjoyment of life 🙂

So I think you're right, Cougar, but perhaps coming on a little strong.

I get that a lot. (-: No offence meant, I was trying to be helpful but tone is difficult in text.

as my Hub sits next to the computer I would like a simple switch to stop it broadcasting and use it hardwired on the basis that nobody can hack in to a non-existent signal.

Apparently there's no way to switch it off (it's an early 1.0 Homehub).

geologist - Member
Im a RF systems design engineer