Junky:
The question was posed
"Should we pay more tax in order to properly fund the NHS - yes/no"
So, At what point is the NHS properly funded?
somewhatslightlydazed - MemberSimple answer - At the point it is able to deliver the sort of service you expect.
Right, but we've accepted above that 'the sort of service you expect' does not necessarily have anything to do with money, because its often down to other things, like the pursuit of "outcomes" at the expense of care, or like people being shit at their jobs. cf. Stafford.
We could spend ten times as much as we do now and still be unable to deliver the 'sort of service you expect' !
yes ninfan everyone knows there is no relationship between what you spend and what you get - look at private schools all that money and yet no better outcomes - same goes with private healthcare
An excellent point and well made
Could you at least make sense or a point in your musings as I am reaching my boredom threshold.
Yeah, just as soon as you tell me what you think 'properly funded' means?
accepted above that 'the sort of service you expect' does not necessarily have anything to do with money,
But I don't accept that. I believe it has quite a lot to do with money, amongst other things.
I am reaching my boredom threshold.
Is this a first?
Its not a phrase I used I said i would pay more money for a better service
PS if it was me I would have denied the claim I was not making sense 😉
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Right, but we've accepted above that 'the sort of service you expect' does not necessarily have anything to do with money, because its often down to other things, like the pursuit of "outcomes" at the expense of care, or like people being shit at their jobs. cf. Stafford.
Problem is it does necessarily have something to do with funding, other variables are involved of course.
Health is the only thing that matters. Without we are dead.
So how do we prioritise our resources? £2k on a season ticket to wendyball, £xxx on Murdoch TV, £3 for a cup of hot brown refreshment with some sickly syrup in it - no problem.
A small contribution to health care. What? Are you serious? £10 to check the things we see with are ok. That's a scandal, that's 3 cups of coffee or 1/9th of a replica shirt....
You have that option - private insurance, in the UK?
Indeed (for some), but if you want to know how it should be done...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_the_Netherlands
As I said, I think we get what we pay for, possibly a little more due to some economies of scale, but we don't pay enough as a nation.
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As he says, smoke and mirrors.
