[Closed] Why do English people do that?

Where is the ****ing article anyway?

I can see why using England and Britain interchangeably is annoying but this isn't the same thing surely

[i]But it's never dull in Hull [/i]

Chris Rea's classic 'We're on the road to Hull' makes it sound quite dull.

Rod Hull was Dull but his bird was excitable

Me thinks you is all missing da point..

It's a few trees in some lovely countryside, t'is all, border or no border.. it was there long before we were.

I say enjoy it then head home happy.

😉

You think describing a place in the UK from an english perspective is not english centric

That's not quite what I said. It is perhaps English-centric but understandable if the writer is English and most of his readership is English too.

I guess that as the colonial oppressors this is just one of those things we don't get.

Is living in Bolton and having an English accent English-centric btw? 😛

Hi, I'm baby from SP3509

That's at 51.7803809 Lat and -1.417656299999976 Long.

Saves any of the nonsense really, doesn't it?

Like you I am just doing missionary work and trying to civilise the native savages 😉

Junkyard

I really can't see what the fuss is about.

Your english though so of course you cannot ,you probably also do it without realising and interchange english with britainas well as if they are the same.

I'm Scottish though.

dont be defeating my well crafted arguments with inconvenient facts 😳

😆

In fairness, when i was a yoof, i occasionally got it into my head that Scotland was living in the shadow of England at times. Frustrating thoughts for a young man who had barely spent any time outside Scotland.

8 years of living in various parts of England and Italy soon changed that. I'm happier now as a Scot than before I left Scotland, I see our country in a different light.

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn't move.

Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn't move.

Meh. Depends whether or not after independence the English decide to invade to claim some of the best trail centres. Then it would be just over the border, in England.

Soon it will be: just over Hadrian's Wall II...

Well it does, because "over" means you've travelled "over" the border.

If I said to someone in Newcastle that Berwick-upon-Tweed was just over the English border they'd rightly be confused.

Perhaps "just inside the Scottish border" would have been better?

As many have said, it seems like an incredibly small thing, but it is part of a far bigger pattern and attitude.

thegeneralist - Member

Just from reading the thread title, I knew this was going to be posted by someone from Scotland with a chip on their shoulder.

And you'd be wrong.

"Of course it will be a free Yorkshire - you lot have never been known to pay for owt!"

Yes it reminds me of a place north of the border, everything being free and what ave you (or owt for nowt). I've even heard talk of deep fried Mars Bars on prescription, with medical research into deep fried pizza to follow! It's time a Free Yorkshire were proper free like them Jocks, they can keep the skirts though. You'd get well ****-ed down Fartown in one of them. We could a ave song like then funny fellas with glasses (the Ponderers), I can see n hear crowds massed voices at the John Smiths Stadium (for a home international?) singing "Sunshine on Golcar". It brings a tear to the eye already, mind that could bin smoke from Crowthers chimney.

You will all be welcome t free depart (the mean start) of the Tour of Yorkshire next year. Two days in Gods country then of to foreign lands, a day int south (you have give somefin since their payin),then off to France. It's a first for the Yorkshire tour, see we think big here and are free with it. Not like that bloody sports day down London last year or that mini version in Gorbals next year.

Now back t mill to work on me carding machine. See the!

Cry Freedom Cry Yorkshire!

Do tell.

I wouldn't say that the OP has a chip on his shoulder, more a frustration at slightly careless journalism (which perhaps fuels some sort of other issue he harbours re the balance of Englishness in the union).

OK, maybe a wee chip on his shoulder, more like one of those ones you find at the bottom of your burger king chips, barely a chip at all, but still technically a chip.

Comedy gold.

Has this been done yet?

OK, maybe a wee chip on his shoulder, more like one of those ones you find at the bottom of your burger king chips, barely a chip at all, but still technically a chip.

Do keep up at the back....
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Geographically it is just over the Border in Scotland no matter where you live it doesn't move.

Can you tell me which border I have to travel over to get there if I start from the NE of Scotland?

What's the point of giving a detailed forecast for an area the size of half of Wales that a couple of thousand people live whilst condemning 7 million people in the South of England to leaving home without a brolly because there wasn't enough explanation of where the showers were going to be that day?

The forecast data doesn't get any more accurate in higher population density areas though 🙂

Just be glad you don't live in the Scilly isles or Channel Islands. They get mentioned once a month at most.

I'm in Wales and I don't have a problem with this article. If someone says 'just north of the border in Scotland' all that says to me is that they are sitting in England writing it. So what?

There is a lot of media coverage of the South East, yes, but far more stuff goes on there because so many people live there. Can't argue with that. I grew up in Herefordshire, which practically never got a mention on the news. But that's cos nothing much happened there. Even our 'local' news, Midlands Today, was a bit ridiculous because nothing ever happens in the Midlands at large either, besides some crime. Wales today is much more interesting, and if I want Welsh news I watch that.

Like it or not a large portion of the stuff affecting the UK happens in the SE, so that's why it's on the news a lot.

Re the snow - you should try a rush hour drive in a built up part of the SE. It's bedlam even in good weather, on a different level to the rest of the country ime. Then go there when it snows, and you'll see exactly why there's such carnage. It's not because Southerners are innately useless.

Can you tell me which border I have to travel over to get there if I start from the NE of Scotland?

As you are already over the border in Scotland, you don't need to cross any border to get there 🙄

Do tell

Born and bred Englishman. Living in England.

Born and bred Englishman. Living in England.

Well perhaps you can answer your own question then, which was : Why do English people do that?

Born and bred Englishman. Living in England.

So you've stolen our chip to put on your shoulder?

Typical bloody Englishman, stealing from subjugated races. You'll be after our macaroons next.

Just be glad you don't live in the Scilly isles or [b]Channel Islands[/b]. They get mentioned once a month at most.

To be fair, they are included in the shipping forecast - Portland and channel light vessel automatic in most of them, and Jersey in the midnight one - often very useful for the channel islands.

 

Folk from the North of Scotland complain that the Scottish News has a Central belt bias. People from Shetland get upset that the media are mainland-centric. It is just a small minded attitude IMHO

Yeah, but they're a tiny population way up north that no-one else is interested in. 😀

Calling them names makes you look like the small minded one tbh

My mind is so lofty I shall ignore your personal insult.

zokes - Member

Nope, that would be this place, which is quite far away from Ae

While you were wiki'ing, you should have also noticed that there's a number of ways to decide where the middle of the country is. But if you look at it on a map, you'll see there's no way it can be described as "in the north west". And also that Ae is far closer to Lanashire than it is to Ullapool.

teamhurtmore - Member

Just two of several articles from today's Herald including reference to "the border."

Can you think why the Glasgow Herald might phrase things differently than a national magazine?

Have I missed it, or do we not know the context of the quote in the OP?

Northwind - substitute The Economist, a publication with a global audience, and you see multiple references to the border, north of the border, sound of the border etc. And many more publications beside. English, Scottish, UK, global publications can use the term in a way that is completely inoffensive - as it should be. As has been noted several time, the context of the OPs quote is unclear (I think) but the sensitivity is (IMHO) verging on the absurd.

I don't know which is sadder, the 'faux outrage' or those who feel the need to take offence on the Scots' behalf. From my experience of living and being educated in your fine country, most Scots are perfectly able to live with the term and are wise enough not to be troubled by it.

you see multiple references to the border, north of the border, sound of the border etc

As someone living in Wales, this offends me*. There are two borders in mainland UK!

* not really, just making a point...

...at least they don't refer to dykes mol, that might get them in all sorts of trouble 😉

[i]do we not know the context of the quote in the OP? [/i]

It was in an article called'

"Visiting Scotland from England? Here some of the places to look out for!"

sensitivity is (IMHO) verging on the absurd.

I don't know which is sadder, the 'faux outrage' or those who feel the need to take offence on the Scots' behalf.

..at least they don't refer to dykes mol

I always thought [url= http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=345522&y=755552&z=115&sv=345522,755552&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=582&ax=345522&ay=755552&lm=0 ]this sounded like an interesting place to visit[/url].

Also it would make an excellent name for a He-Man style cartoon series and range of posable action figures. 😆

teamhurtmore - Member

Northwind - substitute The Economist, a publication with a global audience, and you see multiple references to the border, north of the border, sound of the border etc.

North of the border, south of the border- you seem to be missing the point, nobody objects to that at all Our side, the other side, is what annoys people, because it is assuming that your readers are on your side. It's not specifically the choice of words, it's the us/them.

teamhurtmore - Member

English, Scottish, UK, global publications can use the term in a way that is completely inoffensive - as it should be. As has been noted several time, the context of the OPs quote is unclear (I think) but the sensitivity is (IMHO) verging on the absurd.

The exact context of the quote isn't important, because it's just one example of a common thing. The OP isn't raising it because one person did it. Quite a few people have pointed that out tbh, and expanded it to other fields where the exact same thing happens- "national" news spends extensive time on English issues, for example. MPs worry about the west lothian question because they just assume it's right for scottish matters to be discussed in scotland but english matters to be discussed in the UK parliament. And so on.

And fwiw, I don't see any outrage, just mild irritation.

Are there numerous Mexicans sat on the internet berating US journalists?

Hang on, so there is/may not be anything wrong with this specific case ("the exact context....isn't important") but we are going to get [s]outragted[/s] irritated because it reminds us of other things that upset us. That is some weird argument....C''mon NW you are a prouder nation that that!

Ah THM, I am disappoint. The [i]exact[/i] context is not important, but we know it's a national magazine written as if it's only going to be read by those south of the border.

wwaswas - Member

Are there numerous Mexicans sat on the internet berating US journalists?

Is Mexico part of the USA?

There are loads of Americans that complain about coverage bias in the media, incidentally. But mostly because of liberals/jews/communists/lizard people which is probably not the central issue here.

[i]Is Mexico part of the USA?[/i]

No, but you can buy US publications there.

Given we have no context for the article it's difficult but it could easily have been an English publication?