What's an FSM?
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[/img]Flying Spaghetti Monster. His church is awesome.
So that just about wraps it up for god, then...
So there wasn't a god, but there now is and his name is Craig?
That's a bit of an anticlimax.
one wonders why you spend so much time trying to convince non believers by reposting stuff from here then
Just posting some stuff that explains what I believe, by way of discussion, which is what interwebs forums are for (?)
I'm not expecting anyone to go "oh yeh, I was wrong, God it is then".
So that just about wraps it up for god, then...
mind out on the zebra crossings then.
I'm not expecting anyone to go "oh yeh, I was wrong, God it is then".
Where's your faith?
Mr Woppit - Member
So that just about wraps it up for god, then...
Can we get a comment from joao3v16 on this?
I'm not going to read all this thread, but I am going to comment that my kids spend more time learning about Christianity at school than they do about Science, and they/we have no choice in that.
I used to be (am?) a pretty hardcore atheist, however we will never be able to disprove the existence of a god so why bother? Maybe we are just a part of some meta-being's science experiment?
However the God of The Bible loooooooool, the guy (for he is a guy) is a nutter, he doesn't want worshiping he wants locking up.
I'm not going to read all this thread
Try the first post and the video there (listen in the background - you don't need to watch).
I am going to comment that my kids spend more time learning about Christianity at school than they do about Science, and they/we have no choice in that
yep think this annoys many folks it should NOT be taught in schools.
The non faith school my child attends a teacher told him he was not allowed to not believe in god and he had to pick one - he refused.
Had to go into school to speak about this.
This has made him even more anti religous and now he thinks religious people are bullying morons and he hates the teacher.
kelvin - Member
I'm not going to read all this thread, but I am going to comment that my kids spend more time learning about Christianity at school than they do about Science, and they/we have no choice in that.
That's appalling. Does Michael Gove know about this? Isn't it against the law?
Are you not entitled to withdraw your child from religious indoctrination classes?
Thought of moving them to another school?
awesomeSo there wasn't a god, but there now is and his name is Craig?
ISWYDTmind out on the zebra crossings then
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awesome-erThis has made him even more anti religous and now he thinks religious people are bullying morons and he hates the teacher.
No its actually tragic and bad ...what worse is it has created a little friction between me and his Mum over how best to deal with this - imagine that friction between us two 😉
if you could harness the heat fromn that friction you could end fuel poverty in the UK.
😆
So that just about wraps it up for god, then...
So, the scientists created something out of nothing, did they? No, they didn't, did they? They had to use something that already existed.
[i]The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.[/i][i][b]Ecclesiastes 1:9[/b][/i]
So, far from doing owt new, they're just replicating something that happenz in nature. something that's happened for millions of years on this planet, and God knows how long in't rest of he Universe.
And as amazing as it does indeed appear, it's an incredibly basic 'lifeform' what they've 'created'. I've no doubt this can and will lead to more complex forms (and probbly cloned beings to provided food/labour etc)
It's hardly 'playing God' now is it, really?
Cos to do that, they'd have to create an entire universe with everything in it....
*peeps in*
Are we still arguing about this?
Coo. A 2000 thread!
BTW read up on Utts. Looks like her statistics were kosher but the experiment which handed her the figures to crunch had a few issues. So her work seems fine, the data is a bit suspect. Also a small sample size too.
For me to accept this would involve repetition of the experiment involving a couple of thousand subjects (minimum) and - more importantly - a double blind trial with more than just four pictures as a sample (say 10 or 50). If it shown then to be statistically significant then more experimentation and analysis.
That's the scientific way. Look at cold fusion for example. You don't just take one person's word for things, you repeat the experiment.
And avoid 'woo'. 😆
Hi Elf, here's another quote:
[b]AdamW, 1-2:23[/b]Pints are quite nice, mince pies at certain times of year too.
This is a great game. Can we all play it?
Now I'm sodding off again. Things to do. Woo to avoid! 😀
Don't like mince pies. As I was bitterly disappointed as a small child, to find they din't in fact contain mincemeat, but some nasty squashed fruit mess. 😥
I blame Santa....
there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
(Sent from his iPhone)
😀
Mr Woppit - Member
So that just about wraps it up for god, then...
Can we get a comment from joao3v16 on this?
It appears they copied existing DNA from Mycoplasma Genitalium, then used a computer to artificially recreate the DNA.
So they didn't "create" life, they just made their own copy.
They didn't create their own raw materials first. Plagiarists. 🙂
...
One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"
But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."
The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"
Don't like mince pies. As I was bitterly disappointed as a small child, to find they din't in fact contain mincemeat, but some nasty squashed fruit mess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincemeat
So they didn't "create" life, they just made their own copy.
You'd prefer it if they got a million or so monkeys to do random permutations until they come up with something which works?
"God" had a long, long time, and has lots and lots of worlds to experiment with to get those chemicals to randomly combine in the right way. I understand how tempting it is to think that something so complex as human life couldn't possibly develop without a bit of a helping hand - but there are an awful lot of planets on which it didn't. The fact we get to think about this means the survey is self-selecting.
Din't have Wiki when I was a small child.
In fact, din't have any internets at all.
We din't even have a telly!
but there are an awful lot of planets on which it didn't
Are there? And you know this how?
I just saw God buying an egg mayo sandwich at my Sainsburys local.
> but there are an awful lot of planets on which it didn't
Are there? And you know this how?
Didn't you say earlier that you believe the universe to be infinite Elf?
So doesn't it follow that there are an infinite number of planets?
Last time I looked, [i]"infinite"[/i] was very much a super-set of [i]"an awful lot of"[/i]. 😀
Ok, I interpreted this (badly worded statement):
I understand how tempting it is to think that something so complex as human life couldn't possibly develop without a bit of a helping hand - but there are an awful lot of planets on which it didn't.
As 'there's no life on other planets'. Even if it's 'there's no Human life on other planets', how is this 'known'?
It's not. We've never even set foot on any other planet. So we know nowt about them, or the life forms they may or may nor contain.
It's very possible there are lifeforms so complex it's beyond our puny Human comprehension.
It's also equally possible we truly are the only 'intelligent' species in the whole Universe.
All sorts of things are possible.
Like the existence of God....
As 'there's no life on other planets'. Even if it's 'there's no Human life on other planets', how is this 'known'?It's not. We've never even set foot on any other planet. So we know nowt about them, or the life forms they may or may nor contain.
It appears to be broadly accepted that we know about several other planets on which life hasn't evolved, and only one on which it has. Hardly a huge leap then if we accept there are a lot of other planets, that there are a lot of other planets on which life hasn't evolved.
Also see the Fermi paradox.
All sorts of things are possible
you need to consider probabilities not possibilities.
Its possible elvis created the universe and he is there waiting for us all after death with Shiva, Ghandi and the dead one from the Bee Gees to give us 65 virgins and let us know the true asnwer to "what tyre" .
I would however say it is highly improbable.
Do we know everything - NO - do you wish to make more accurate approximations [ probabilities] or just make wildly inaacurate assumptions [ possibilities]
i've changed my mind. there is a god. i feel i little silly now. he's tiny and spread out, like midi-chlorians, so science hasn't developed enough to see him yet. halleluja.
i still think organised religion is a load of cobblers though.
As 'there's no life on other planets'. Even if it's 'there's no Human life on other planets', how is this 'known'?
Because if the universe is infinite, as you stated, then there are an infinite number of planets without life on them.
And also an infinite number of planets with life on them 😀
It's also equally possible we truly are the only 'intelligent' species in the whole Universe.
In an infinite universe the chance of us being the only intelligent species is exactly zero. 🙂
Like the existence of God....
Or an infinite number of Gods. 😆
I've almost finished Brian Cox's "Quantum Universe". Its a mind warp but still makes a whole lot more sense than the bible.
fI orget who it was but I loved the descriptions of him.
It is like listening to a stoned northener tell you about his favourite cake shop.
You see [hear] a different side of him on the Infinite Monkey Puzzle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00snr0w
Junkyard - Member
All sorts of things are possibleyou need to consider probabilities not possibilities.
Its possible elvis created the universe and he is there waiting for us all after death with Shiva, Ghandi and the dead one from the Bee Gees to give us 65 virgins and let us know the true asnwer to "what tyre" .
I would however say it is highly improbable.
Do we know everything - NO - do you wish to make more accurate approximations [ probabilities] or just make wildly inaacurate assumptions [ possibilities]
Junkyard - he knows this, but he just can't help himself. It comes in phases...
BTW read up on Utts. Looks like her statistics were kosher but the experiment which handed her the figures to crunch had a few issues. So her work seems fine, the data is a bit suspect. Also a small sample size too.For me to accept this would involve repetition of the experiment involving a couple of thousand subjects (minimum) and - more importantly - a double blind trial with more than just four pictures as a sample (say 10 or 50). If it shown then to be statistically significant then more experimentation and analysis.
But the trials she did showed statistical significance. How do you propose caryying out a double blind trial in this context? Where do you get the criterion of 2000 subjects from? What's the theoretical basis for this? Furthermore, are you loking at the stargate or meta-analysis findings?
That's the scientific way... But the meta study was exactly about this.
Junkyard - he knows this, but he just can't help himself. It comes in phases...
Ooh, another snidey little personal dig. Classy, Woppit, classy...
Because if the universe is infinite, as you stated, then there are an infinite number of planets without life on them.And also an infinite number of planets with life on them
🙂 I've now boggled me own mind trying to get me head round it all. It is truly overwhelmingly bewildering...
Is the Chrimbo Ride still on, Fred?
Not for you it's not.
Why's that, then? Don't you want a pint and a chat anymore? 😥
It's because he doesn't believe in Christmas.
No it's simply because I want to avoid any unpleasantness which might affect others on the ride. Cos I could, like, have one of my 'phases, you know? Best you stay away.
Oh well. See you at the next super-sexy, then. Ciao, baby.
