Even if that street barbecue photo was real – whats the moral differnce with this picture?
It's not real, but if it was, then the difference would be the picture you've done is a street party, that's to cover a national day of celebration, and it looks like the whole street are involved, the fake pic would be people doing something on public property and getting in the way during a normal day.
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Answer:<generalisation>People fear change. They fear the idea of change even more so.<generalisation>
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That's just an obvious mistake though - your html tags are never going to work if you forget the "/" on the closing tag... 😉
Belief that the country is the native people’s and should be run for their benefit.
Is it for the native people, the natives and others as guests, the natives and others as equals, or is it for the rich and corporations? Currently I feel that in practice it's the latter, but the public would prefer it to be one of the former - and are divided about which one.
To turn it around, pick a random country and ask who that country is for, and should be for. Is France for the French, should Switzerland be for anyone who fancies it, should Australia be for indigenous people? Would I be wrong to feel entitled to be able to emigrate to Japan and live how I want there?
I hadn't noticed Japan encouraging immigration with boat loads from the colonies or currently carers from Rwanda to work for poor pay in undesirable jobs. However, if you've got an English teaching or ski instructing qualification you'll get a job in Japan unlike in post-Brexit Europe.
For as long as I've been watching the news there have been MPs hostile to immigration spouting bile while their government hires bus drivers, production line workers and medical staff from around the world and shits on them at every oportunity.
I'm happy to be an immigrant but dismayed at the proportion of the population supporting racist/xenophobic parties and being hostile to anyone not exactly like them.
Slight thread resurrection, but we are seeing more protests outside hotels housing the immigrants. These seem to be organised by Britain First. What then happens is they usually descend into violence. I saw a video of a local one last night, and the majority there were trying to antagonise the police.
To make matters worse, we found out my Brother In Law went to it. Really not happy with this at all as it will cause problems in the family relationships. What these people are forgetting is this is only going to cause a huge amount of stress to the families holed up in these hotel rooms - it's not a great situation to be in, but they have no-where else. BIL seems to pick up on it's all men and, none are contributing (well they aren't allowed to work until the immigration documentation is complete). They aren't coming here for a holiday, most have a serious risk of death if they stayed in their home.
I pass one of these hotels on my regular commute and there is never any trouble from the residents. Most I see are outside with the kids playing on the field next door.
What these people are forgetting is this is only going to cause a huge amount of stress to the families holed up in these hotel rooms - it's not a great situation to be in, but they have no-where else.
I had assumed that one of primary aims of rioting outside a hotel was precisely to cause a huge amount of stress to the families waiting for their asylum applications to be processed.
There was a demonstration outside a local hotel near me last weekend.
There isn't any ****ing immigrants in there anymore though!! 🤦
There was a demonstration outside a local hotel near me last weekend.
There is one near me which has been open at least four years. Its a mile or so from me but for boring reasons I only normally pass it on the way out (cycling or driving) and so I kept looking at it thinking its a bit odd with the signs half covered and some other oddities which didnt make it look inviting as a hotel. I finally remembered to google it and found a few references saying it was being used as immigration accommodation including one news article referencing a half arsed protest. I assume they didnt get enough press to come back the next weekend.
On a side note I do find the daily mail and cos references to it all being * star hotels with some photos of the best room dubious as hell. I did see one comment about the Canary wharf Britannia hotel along the lines of "I stayed there when visiting the canary wharf hq. I am still not sure who I offended who got me sent there".
Possibly needs to be some sort of legislating concerning accuracy of reporting, with speculation that can lead to violence, criminal charges for repeat offending.
I'm all for freedom of the press, but some of the reporting today pretty much equates to shouting Fire! in a crowded theater.
It's criminal, it's actual incitement to violence. This country is a bit effed.
A general question to anyone of any persuasion on immigration, what is your average interaction with immigrants?
Minimal as possible, so only very slightly less than non immigrants 😂
Had a discussion with a few colleagues at work the other day around immigration and the prospect of farage getting elected etc. We work in a laboratory, we're all educated, we're scientists so everything we do is evidence based, we should be thinking critically, we're taught to question everything and to be naturally sceptical.
But I was (naively) surprised to hear several colleagues coming out with the usual stuff, there's too many, no money, no room, milking the system, getting freebies, 5 start hotels, put in brand new houses, criminals, what about our homeless people, my relative can't get benefits etc. One guy said "sink them before they land."
The anti immigration message seems to be winning, all you have to do is Google (for example) "do migrants get free bus passes?" and you get the truth of it, but no one takes that on board, they don't want to hear it, their mind is already set.
Nigel is a shoe in unless something radical happens in the next few years.
From what he’s told me this is pretty much the norm, the extremists hitting the headlines shortly after bits of them have hit several walls are not following any form of Islam that most British Muslims recognise.
It's like all the nonsense about the danger of illegal migrants doing terrorisms - almost every single act of terror carried out in this country has been by British-born UK nationals.
And you know this based on what intelligence data from which agency
It's like all the nonsense about the danger of illegal migrants doing terrorisms - almost every single act of terror carried out in this country has been by British-born UK nationals.
And you know this based on what intelligence data from which agency
Which acts of terrorism are you attributing to illegal migrants then @brotato ?
It's like all the nonsense about the danger of illegal migrants doing terrorisms - almost every single act of terror carried out in this country has been by British-born UK nationals.
And you know this based on what intelligence data from which agency
Which acts of terrorism are you attributing to illegal migrants then @brotato ?
There are literally hundreds that are stopped year on year that never make the news but that doesn’t fit your agenda come back once you have spent time in the intelligence community
once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Lolapoloosa! That community is not your community is it 🤣 🤣 🤣
There are literally hundreds that are stopped year on year that never make the news but that doesn’t fit your agenda come back once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Which agenda? Home grown terrorism (be that from religious extremists or right wing groups) accounts for the majority of planned attacks that are prevented. Outside influences are part of that of course, from all over the world, but the people stopped are mostly UK born.
There are literally hundreds that are stopped year on year that never make the news but that doesn’t fit your agenda come back once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Which agenda? Home grown terrorism (be that from religious extremists or right wing groups) accounts for the majority of planned attacks that are prevented. Outside influences are part of that of course, from all over the world, but the people stopped are mostly UK born.
Again this majority , this is the majority you hear about from your spoon fed media outlet sources that your electronic device feeds you
starting to sound like an LBC presenter buddy
Imagine if just one case ever made it to the news where it wasn’t a UK born national was the perp , it would make hotel riots look like an episode of Blue Peter
I can assume you will now state there haven’t been any thats why lol
once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Lolapoloosa! That community is not your community is it 🤣 🤣 🤣
Its certainly not yours
Sick burn, mic drop.
once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Lolapoloosa! That community is not your community is it 🤣 🤣 🤣
Its certainly not yours
If it were yours, you wouldn’t be bragging about it on the internet. (Not mine either, but I was vetted on account of a relative being, they won’t even tell me how their day at work was)
come back once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Oh, now this could be fun.
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This'll be the intelligence community that you're allowed to invoke to make your point on a mountain bike forum, but not allowed to go into specifics about - yes?
I'm getting strong Jay from The Inbetweeners vibes here...
But please, do continue...
Thinking about solutions that would make the Reformers (and many others) happy, I wonder how easy/possible it is to pull out of the 1951 Refugee Convention? There are 170 other countries in it so having one pull out would not make much difference would it.
Guess it would not look great for a UN country to do so but not sure how much that really matters in today's world.
It is not like we need Asylum seekers and as I said, they have a LOT of other countries who are open to them.
Also - I would expect those in the intelligence community to have a basic knowledge of punctuation.
Unless, of course, it is a ruse de guerre...
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once you have spent time in the intelligence community
Lolapoloosa! That community is not your community is it 🤣 🤣 🤣
Its certainly not yours
If it were yours, you wouldn’t be bragging about it on the internet. (Not mine either, but I was vetted on account of a relative being, they won’t even tell me how their day at work was)
Show me where I said I was?
I merely commented he hand wringer should join the intelligence community before making an informed statement as that is the only place they would get the figures to back up an accurate picture.
lucky you I bet you were first on the linked in DV cleared personnel group
If I had completed the 140 or so pages of vetting required I wouldn’t be telling a soul as it’s a condition of having it and here’s an actual fact unless the relative was your mum dad brother or sister no one would be asking who the hell you are as you would be irrelevant .
I merely commented he hand wringer should join the intelligence community before making an informed statement as that is the only place they would get the figures to back up an accurate picture
Or just published government facts and figures? Unless you think there is a systematic establishment cover-up to protect certain group?
And here's where it could get quite interesting because your use of the phrase "hand wringer" makes me think there's possibly some tinfoil hat action in play here.
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It's all a conspiracy I tell you.
Now where did I put my tinfoil hat?
Wibble wibble.
UK has an aging population, fewer workers longer life expectancy. First you have saved nothing for your pension, however much you think you have you depend on workers to get the money out. no immigration and the UK is screwed.
It isn't that long ago the UK had net immigration because the country was a basket xcase.
We are building on farmland
I can show you a map of my town with the road I live on, and no houses built on it, that was in 1937, when the government went on a big house-building scheme to improve the standards of living for working families.
Not all that long before there were slum dwellings in Chippenham, where I live. The town had a population of around 19,000 when I was a nipper; it’s getting on for 40,000+ now.
As someone pointed out, this country has been populated by immigrants since before the last ice age; 35,000 years ago there were Neanderthal families hunting mammoth in the area around the source of the River Thames, then there were the people who came via the Doggerland land bridge, the Neolithic people, then farmers from around where Türkiye is, then a whole alphabet soup of different tribes from all over Europe, and the Mediterranean. And North Africa, and they weren’t slaves, they were skilled artisans.
Just the place names in this country prove that, there were waves of displaced people arriving because of war and persecution over the last 1000 years, as well.
Several hundred years ago, a group of people left this country, and traveled to North America, and set up a colony because of religious persecution - they were the ones persecuting others who wouldn’t fall in with what they considered the only way of worship, the only interpretation of the Bible. Their descendents are who make up the Republican Party and the Christian Nationalists who’ve taken over the state, their utter intolerance of ‘others’ is on full view, with the army being moved into cities who don’t kiss the ring of their new King.
We had a dictatorship in this country, that was intolerant of other religions, whose army destroyed the church in the village where my dad was born, on their way to Ireland to stir up trouble that is still blighting lives to this day! Oliver Cromwell has a lot to answer for - we don’t want another like him.
Call me old-fashioned but I wouldn't want to persecute the most vulnerable people on earth because of where I want to ride.
Plenty of golf courses - use them.
I can think of several in Scotland; although, to be fair, none of those are on land that’s suitable for housing, or golf courses, for that matter…
I often see stats on "spare" land, does anyone have that stat breakdown to hand? Most of my life has been spent in the Midlands/South East and honestly, there's not a great deal you can build on, that isn't already, and isn't already in use for food/materials production/extraction. There obviously is land but my question is how much?
Edit, Category = Non Developed + Group = Undeveloped, so excluding forestry and agriculture, gives 0.9%, there's 2.1% given over to outdoor recreation.
For non-developed land
Agriculture = 63.1%
Forestry, open land and water 20.1% (I'm not sure what counts as open land?)
Residential Gardens 4.9%
Ah, found the full tables...
I was looking at regional numbers above, not UK wide
As someone pointed out, this country has been populated by immigrants since before the last ice age;
Yep, but it's unhelpful pedantry to suggests that the possibly hundreds of H/G that wandered across Doggerland from mainland Europe 35 millennia ago to what was otherwise largely empty forest is somehow equivalent to boat-crossings from Calais today. As others have said on this thread (and scholarship backs up) the population of the UK since 1066 is largely settled. While there has been mass immigration events - Flemish in the middle ages, Huguenots in the 17th C, these have mostly been sporadic, and limited. The sorts of continuous mass immigration that is occurring now (all over Europe) is a new phenomena, and comparisons to what happened before the dawn of writing is unhelpful.
Comparisons; In the modern era shows that between 1800-1945 (about 150 years) there's less the 20,000 people coming to the UK per year, From 1945 - to now that's increased five-fold about 100,000 per year.
Folks don't get a say in where immigrants are housed, they haven't voted for it, it's happening to them, and in some places in Northamptonshire, Cheshire, and Lincolnshire (my own experience*) for example it's radically changing the face of otherwise small sleepy towns. When that happens to people, lots of them will push back. if we're at all going to have a sensible discussion about modern mass migration, then we are at some point going to have to stop calling those that push against as gammon-faced Reform supporters and those that support it as liberal do-gooders.
* I used to live in Brackley which is down the road from Silverstone, locals used to able to get a secure (all be it dull factory-line) job at the local chicken processing plant (3rd largest in the country) It became cheaper for the plant to sub contract those jobs to an agency, and it became cheaper for the agency to fill those places with immigrants. Locals can't get work there any more. The plant mostly supplies Asda with processed and whole chicken, so if you've ever complained (or have been surprised at how cheap it is) about the price of chicken It's on you...The other work locally is chicken growing...you can guess what happened there, right? In less than a decade local folks were pushed out of jobs that generations before them have worked in. This is a 'Industrial Revolution alike' movement of people.
I'd ask, ... Why are people so keen on migration. I can't see the attraction at the rate it is.
How to you feel about what the British Empire did all those centuries ago and the legacy is still there in many countries?
If your immediate response to a situation that has negatively affected communities is a comedy routine, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Shirley the answer can't be anything more than "it's really complicated"? We're happy to have immigrants when they're tending to us in hospitals or looking after us in care homes. The racists are happy when they're white. They're not happy when we see a seemingly infinite stream of young men with very limited English riding electric motorbikes illegally around city centres while working for the awful company that is Deliveroo (and to an extent I count myself in this last category, which I suppose makes me racist too. But frankly I think everyone is racist to some degree despite what they might claim).
As a couple of senior EU figures have recently pointed out, one of the biggest draws to the UK is not that you can arrive in a dingy and be handed a six-bedroom council house, private healthcare, a car, iPhone, tub of Quality Street, and a credit card at taxpayers' expense (according to the Daily Mail, so it must be true), but rather that our gig economy makes it really easy to find work, legal or otherwise.
Either you didn't watch it or you're not a morning person.
I suspect the latter, so get yourself a latte!
If your immediate response to a situation that has negatively affected communities is a comedy routine, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
"Immediate" response? Stewart Lee is a professional comedian who very effectively uses comedy as a political tool.
I am a big fan of Stewart Lee's comedy although probably not quite so much some of his middle-class wokeism.
The idea Stewart Lee is part of the problem with regards to "a situation that has negatively affected communities", which appears to be what you are saying, is frankly ridiculous.
I suggest that you look at a Prime Minister who makes highly publicised speeches which echo Enoch Powell and speaks of immigrants causing "incalculable damage" to the UK if you are looking for contributions to the problem 💡
I'll be part of the problem too by posting a comic strip.
I love Wokeism... chinese and thai stir-fry food is amazing, but I'm really into south korean food at the mo...you should try it!
