[Closed] Who's the **** in the black, who's the ****.......

I do so love these little snippets of Wrightyson’s life.

Being 100% genuine btw.

Why would you put yourself though that?
I do rugby reffing, where you get respect, but football? Completely the opposite isn't it?

[i] I was close to letting rip at times[/i]
Beans on toast before the match??

[quote=wrightyson ]I was close to letting rip at times.

Assuming you were outside, I doubt anybody would have noticed.

edit: bah - 1 second, 1 measly second!

Not just me then aracer?! 😆

I don't post that often do I or is it just the random musings of a non big hitter 😕
This morning was certainly a test of my character, not resorting to full builder language was a very close thing. 😳

Parents or kids dishing out the abuse?
All comes from the top of the game surely.
Cheating toerags the lot of em. Players, managers & supporters.

Completely the opposite isn't it?

[i]Cheating toerags the lot of em. Players, managers & supporters[/i]

Just the lack of any sporting decency whatsoever - Saw West Ham v Stoke on TV this morning - a former Stoke player scored for his new club and when he went off the pitch, the Stoke manager THE BLOODY MANAGER!! (a former top class player himself!) shouted abuse at the player. The most pathetic thing I've seen since those 2 premiership managers were pushing each other around like 10 year olds in the playground.

It's the thing that made me give up the whistle, getting dogs abuse from players was one thing, to an extent you'd give it back but getting it off parents at kids games and even school games - no ta.

[i]True no one has ever faked a blood injury in football[/i]

Lol! Good one! What year was that one event again?? 😆
What sport do you ref then Junkyard?

A sport for van drivers and council house dwellers. Go and do something else with your free time.

A sport for van drivers and council house dwellers.

Stay classy mate.

I gave a penalty to our team and was immediately branded a cheat. The kids pick up on this and then start. We really try and stop our kids behaving like this towards refs. I collared the opposing manager at half time and asked why he accused me of cheating and reminded him of the young easily influenced ears all around him. He really didn't like it when I told him we'd all be back at our day jobs tomorrow morning and he was as far from a good example of a manager as possible, I offered up the whistle for the second half and not one ****er wanted to do it. Happy to dish out the gob but not happy to take the responsibility, says it all really. Anyhoo we won 4,3 so my cheating paid off 😉

well played wrightyson - how many did you have to send off to secure the win?

Welll done Wrightyson, sounds like you did a good job and hopefully the oppo manager will reflect on his behaviour and learn from it.

Many years ago I was injured and went to watch my team play. , but the ref didn’t turn up so I ended up doing it. One of the first things I did was award a penalty to my team which drew quite mixed reactions from the oppo. I still remember the experience as it was full on pressure for the whole game.

Small boys, in the park...you know....

I do rugby reffing, where you get respect, but football

😆

You might get respect from the players, but not from the mums! I used to occasionally watch local rugby on a Saturday when I was young, the mums going mad was the best bit. Never seen anyone look or sound so angry.

"Hittum Barra!!!!"

My BIL used to run a boys' team and would always play those that had turned up for training rather than necessarily the best players, which caused some inter-"adult" grief
He managed for one season; the boys' loss, and not their fault 🙁

I was close to letting rip at times
Beans on toast before the match??

Foul

Brother in law quit refereeing kids games because of the abuse from parents. Sad world

is there no comeback via FA?. There was some unpleasant spectataing/shouting a couple of years back at daughters under 15 rugby. Ref reported this to the club and RFU, club reprimanded and touchline ban for parents. however it is still a bearpit playing them, lots of high tackling and leading with the elbow (they get a lot of players from a league background)

This reminds me of of being sent off for dissension after arguing with the ref. Unfortunately the ref was the games teacher, so I got the slipper too.

Yes, the FA will take action but still doesn't really deal with the there and now situation.

Best response I 'saw' was a sunday league side that had a reputation in my area. They were a good side, no mistake but were reknowned for constantly being in the ref's ear, contesting every decision, etc. The league gave them a final warning but in the end the club had to deal with it, so they signed all players on to a contract where if anyone got a booking for a 'deliberate' offence like dissent, kicking a ball away, etc., the stuff that made them miserable to referee - the player would get his fine from the FA and then EVERYONE on the pitch would pay the same fine to the club. At the time it was I think £6 for a booking, so if 3 team mates got booked for backchat you'd get an £18 fine.

Pretty soon, as soon as someone opened their mouth out of turn 10 team mates would jump on them and tell them to shut up and get on with it. Worked a dream.

A mate of mine referees. He’s absolutely ****ing nails. Proper scary looking when he’s rared.

He doesn’t get much grief

a sport for van drivers and council house dwellers

Nice. As already said: stay classy!

In my experience watching my daughter play every Saturday, it’s the parents who are the problem. And the ones who are the problem drive Audi Q7’s not vans, and live in 5 bedroom detached houses in leafy suburbs, not council estates. And little Tabatha will be just as likely to be on the receiving end of a torrent of abuse as the ref. They’re truly vile!

It's even more pathetic when it is kids' sport that involves grown-ups cheating.

As an U17 cricket side we had a good run in a national comp one year. This team from Gloucestershire came to our place. I was reasonably nippy at that point, even in men's cricket. Anyway, their opener hit the cover off one to first slip (not even a nick to the keeper), and didn't walk. Not a problem, "hoooooowwwwwzaaaaat?"

Not out according to the umpire who just happened to be their manager. I didn't say a word. Next ball hit the lad's glove just in front of his face and he ended up in a heap on the floor, quite a tidy bouncer if I do say so. As I walked back past the umpire he said "it's not his fault". Keeping my cool, just, I said I knew it wasn't, it was his fault as he should have given him out the ball before.

Winner!

But not really, because when we were batting later I completed a two and was just passing the stumps when the throw came in and hit them. The same bloke gave me out, smiling.

At this point I called him a cheating bastard.

We won the game, but there was some kind of complaint lodged by them, I can't remember the detail and I don't think anything became of it. We lost in the next round in any case.

I thought parents and players had to sign a code of conduct??

My daughters club do (plays U10)
Strangely.. theres 3 girls teams (U10, U12, U14).. but no boys teams

There should be a "respect" ambassador at every game but as today shows sometimes it's all on getting a ref. I've recently done an FA safeguarding course, I'm fully dbs checked then you get that kind of shit, and when giving up my free time it galls a bit, but i started to help initially for my son who plays, then his cousin and now the whole team whom I've come to like and enjoy being with, that for someone who's not particularly fond of kids other than my own can't be a bad thing. I deal with big horrible misters day in day out on site so it's water off a ducks back but the minute any adult pipes up the kids get a taste of blood and act like a pack. I'd be upset if it was my lad behaving like that.

I've umpired field hockey for years,a really useful tool we have is that a yellow card is minimum five minutes and umpires discretion if they feel it should be longer. If someone has been an arse you can just send them off for 15 mins
The other one is sending the captain off if their sideline supporters are being dicks, I've done that before.

I once sent a coach from a rugby sideline. Not for anything directed at me but he was giving his team dogs abuse. They were being beaten by a much better team.
I also had a good long think about a decision when I noticed the grumble of dissention from the crowd came from Ian "the bear" milne.

[i]I've come to like and enjoy being with, that for someone who's not particularly fond of kids other than my own can't be a bad thing[/i]

Know what you mean - I always thought I wasn't one for liking kids, but helping out with my lad's team from the age of 8 upwards, you really get to enjoy being in the company of the little characters as they grow. Now I like to think I have good "banter" (for want of a better word!) with the teams when I ref them. Still not had to give a single yellow card. If I do actually hear anything from the sidelines, I ignore or, have been known, to take the piss...
When my lad played football, it was interesting that even at the junior age-groups they have to PAY the refs! Rugby refs are only on expenses at most adult levels (in this county anyway). Cos we love it 🙂

This is the reason why I'm trying to get my boys to chose rugby over football...

All the football dads turn into total ****s the second someone criticises their perfect little angel (regardless of if he just 2 footed some kids legs out from underneath him)

There should be a "respect" ambassador at every game

Of course there shouldn't be a special person to remind everyone of how to respect each other and authority! Players and spectators and parents alike should just do it.

Soccer is, I'm afraid, a case where the supporters get the sport they deserve.

They have some tape
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Of course there shouldn't be a special person to remind everyone of how to respect each other and authority!

By the same token should we do away with welfare officers too? Because surely we don't need someone to remind people that kiddy fiddling is wrong, players and spectators and parents alike should just know?

It is a problem, it needs addressing. We're looking for means to address it, simply saying it shouldn't be like that helps nothing.

theotherjonv - Member

Of course there shouldn't be a special person to remind everyone of how to respect each other and authority!

By the same token should we do away with welfare officers too? Because surely we don't need someone to remind people that kiddy fiddling is wrong, players and spectators and parents alike should just know?

It is a problem, it needs addressing. We're looking for means to address it, simply saying it shouldn't be like that helps nothing.

By the same token should we do away with welfare officers too? Because surely we don't need someone to remind people that kiddy fiddling is wrong, players and spectators and parents alike should just know?

No, just using hyperbole to make a point.

You shouldn't need either because anyone sane can see that both are wrong.

But both things happen. So the FA has programs to educate and try to eliminate both. I'd applaud them for acting, not condemn them / the sport because we shouldn't need them.

If I'd chosen the Anti-racism program as a comparison would that have raised a similar response?

Let me guess - you're a believer of that Shankly quote "Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

Of course not - it's a game where people (sometimes very highly paid ones, but in 99% of the time just enthusiastic amateurs) kick a leather bag round a field for their and others entertainment. A lot of others, a large majority of whom would agree that attitudes towards authority need to be addressed, and are glad that the game's authorities are doing just that. Rather than making (the usual same old sneering) comments about being the sport of white van man / getting what it deserves.

In the previous example I gave - the club with the discipline problem that created a novel means to stamp it out - they were soundly applauded by all involved in the local reffing fraternity and the local league that all of a sudden didn't have the issue of people refusing to officiate at their games. If each club took it on themselves to deal with their own issues, such as appointing a Respect ambassador in the same way as they have to have a welfare officer, maybe we'd move the solution forward.

I think people are being deliberately obtuse. It's obvious to me what you meant.

Thanks.

I wish football could be more like rugby, for sure (although i do raise an occasional eyebrow on the level of on-field thuggery that is considered 'part of the game'). I watched a local rugby game earlier this year (with a proper ref, who they all called Sir) but it descended into fisticuffs several times with no apparent sanction.

I hate the current trend for simulation, which is being dealt with but still can't quite get to grips with the minor contact resulting in players being 'within their rights' to go down, or worse the players that actively seek contact to 'win' free kicks and penalties. Yet oddly, it's part of the game in basketball (my daughter's sport), to draw contact and win free throws and +1's, which I'm entirely OK with - I can only surmise that because baskets are ten a penny in a game there isn't such a premium on each scoring opportunity.

And yes, i hate the lack of respect. It ruined the game as a participation thing in the end for me, made me give up the whistle when I could have been active for another 20-odd years. Yet most clubs at lower league level will say the same, the thing they dislike most on a Saturday afternoon or Sunday morning is when the manager says 'sorry lads, we haven't got a ref this week so one of our subs will do the first half and one of theirs the second'. Ridiculous but that to me says exactly why clubs need to take their own action supported by the FA and others, because the number of younger refs going into the game is getting smaller and smaller, and the good ones progress very fast now and the less thick-skinned / good ones get pushed out.

There was a regular ref, when my lad was playing football, who was so meek and mild you wondered how he did any matches older than 12 y/os. You could hardly hear this guy's whistle and some decisions were baffling. But I think the style worked, because he seemed like he'd crumble if anyone shouted abuse at him! No idea if he's still reffing 🙂