[Closed] Whey protein for losing weight?

What is she intending to drink it instead of?

myprotein.com

shake for breakfast, shake for lunch and then a sensible dinner?

Whey is great, I got from 15 to 17 stone when I played rugby,but that isn't what she wants to hear,is it? Read up on the brands,they all have fat % etc listed in the description.

Wont help lose weight, its not very filling, its extra calories, milk has a very high insulogenic index and stimulates weight gain.

Weigh****chers shakes etc are mostly carbs, with whey, fiber and thickener. They're an expenssive meal replacement for people with no self control.

Why not just eat food?

A serving of protein shake is usually about 25g of protein. That's about the same as 100g of cooked chicken. Have that and a nice salad instead and its much better for you (vitamins, fibre, minerals etc).

A shake wont keep you feeling full very long.

I use them but as a supplement to a balanced diet -I have one immediately following the gym (along with some carbs) as I don't normally eat until 2 hrs later.(myprotein is a good value brand).

Weigh****chers shakes etc are mostly carbs, with whey, fiber and thickener. They're an expenssive meal replacement for people with no self control.

Yeah, all the ones I saw seemed to just be stuffed with a fair amount of calories/carbs so I was wondering the actual 'benefit'.

I read the article and it seemed to present a fairly good argument if you were short of protein. Then I got sidetracked by something like a shiney bike and it slipped out of my attention span... 😀

Whey is a food, nothing more, nothing less.

It's quite useful for the odd occasion. Dieting for weight loss isn't one of them IMO. It's not very filling.

I read the article and it seemed to present a fairly good argument if you were short of protein.

As an experiment I tried whey (and higher protein foods) again for the last couple of months without going to the gym or anything, just the usual cycling and sailing. I definately gained some upper body muscle/strength but equally some gym time and a more normal diet would probably achieve the same as hard though sailing is its hard to get more than a 3 or so hours in a week and even then theres no gaurentee it'll be a hard windy session.

I read the article and it seemed to present a fairly good argument if you were short of protein.

Whey would probably be a reasonable dietary supplement if you were short of protein. However, the chance of you being short of protein on a modern diet is pretty much non-existant.

As already said - not ideal when dieting for many.

Back in my bodybuilding days, I found that dieting was made easier by switching to foods with a lower calorie density to remain more satisfied. Chicken, fish, eggs and vegetables are staples, potatoes and oatmeal are filling carb sources, refined carb sources are terrible for satiety. Fats are not to be avoided and good sources can be gained through oily fish, eggs and nuts. Contrary to popular belief, dietary fat and cholesterol barely affect your own cholesteral (Many doctors still don't know this and wrongly prescribe people low fat diets).

Overall the trick to dieting is remaining in a calorie deficit (usually around a 500Kcal deficit). This is the ONLY diet that can cause you to lose weight. Tracking calories and remaining consistent will give the best progress

Calorie deficit works. Sadly abit of pain and mental strength.

Shakes? Hideous poo time.

Eat healthy, no snacks, just reduce the portion size and exercise..?

Idave could help? And slim your bank balance too

I reckon eggs and bacon for breakfast is much more filling tbh.

Don't bother with the fancy, artificial and expensive shakes, just do this:

[u]Just eat way less:[/u] bread, cereal, fruit, pasta, biscuits, cakes, cheese, alcohol etc.

[u]Just eat more:[/u] meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, nuts, porridge, wholegrain rice, full fat organic milk, coconut/almond milk etc.

Try eating every 3 hours (a healthy snack 1/2 way between each meal). You'll never feel hungry or like it's a diet, you'll not have to waste time measuring portion size or counting calories and the fat (but not muscle because you're eating plenty of protein) will literally fall away.

I've no idea if this is good for weight loss yet as I've been ill for over 3weeks and not really ridden (so haven't lost any weight) but I retrained myself to like (and enjoy) - a Tuna baguette with peppers/salad etc at 10am, and at circa 2pm a big bowl of Dorset Cereals muesli with natural yoghurt (0% to counter the 'fat' in the Muesli) and Koko milk.

It keeps me going till about 7pm.

Before I'd be eating big at lunchtime.

Most importantly though I feel HAPPY eating ^. Bugger weight loss etc, its reasonably healthy and lifes too short to constantly chase the Unicorn.

All though... I will be doing a couple of fasted rides as soon as its light at 5am 😈

My wife uses Gold standard 100% Whey that has not many carbs apparently, it's not cheap though.

The question you have to ask your missus is if she wants to lose weight or look better in a bikini/naked/in clothes? Losing weight for the sake of it is not what most people want, they generally want a toned and more defined body. If this is the case, some weights work and some protein is no bad things.

Don't fear fat.

Cholesterol and saturated fat are much less of a problem than massive sugar intake. They're also necessary for hormone production.

Contrary to popular belief, dietary fat and cholesterol barely affect your own cholesteral (

But, this myth sure does help butter substitute sellers sell you "spread".

There was a really good Horizon programme that was all about the 'Atkins Diet' and sought to explain why it worked (because there was plenty of evidence to show that people who were on it, did indeed loose weight).

The programme's conclusion was based on relating the findings of a study done, I think in Sweden or Denmark. This was an empirical, longitudinal study conducted over a period of 12 months.

Based around monitoring and measuring what familes consumed in the way of calories by having both the study group and the control group buy all their food from the same place (a shop that was under the control of the experimenters), the study group was given access to a much higher amount of high quality protein, while the control group had that access restricted.

The results showed a marked difference in the total calories consumed between the two groups over the period of one year. I can't remember how big a difference it was, but it was significant.

The study group with access to more high quality protein consumed significantly fewer calories than the control group.

The study concluded that higher amounts of high quality protein in your diet acts to supress the appetite. They reasoned this was most likely an evolutionary hangover; protein is hard to get because the primary source for it is usually in something that moves and therefore needs to be caught. Consequently the body has evolved to only need so much of it and when we have enough, the body tells us to stop eating.

The programme did not link this myostatin but I wonder if it is related. Myostatin being an inhibitor of muscle tissue development; we evolved to only develop enough muscle tissue to get by because developing more would require unsustainable amounts of protein that couldn't be readily accessed. Most high level atheletes in sports that favour muscle mass are myostatin defecient apparently.

All of which is a roundabout way of suggesting that increasing protein in take can help weight loss by ultimately reducing appetite and therefore calorie intake.

Whey is only useful imediately post workout due to it's rapid absorption rate. Pointless using at any other time.

If you want a standard protein powder go for milk or milk & egg.

But, for weight loss go with the above suggestions and ditch all processed carbs, eat more fish/meat/eggs and plenty of salad and green veg. Reduce root veg and fruit (unless around training) and replace with fibrous veg.

This thread reminds me of something I saw the other day about how people approach sports or diet supplements. The simple message was that these products are at the top of the food triangle in the sense that you sort out the base of it first and eat healthy, varied food and can then fine tune with supplements. Unfortunately the supplement industry will have you believe that you approach it via the supplements first.

Found it:
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all the ones I've seen (admittedly more bike related) have a lot of carbs etc. as well

I use a whey isolate and it's 90% pure, which ones have you looked at and how are you quantifying "a lot"?

stinkingdylan - Member
Whey - Pointless using at any other time.

Pointless...Why?

Whey protein has its uses. I started out using it after workouts and bike rides etc as is often recommended, however I think it worked a little [i]too well[/i] and I didn't like the bulky muscle look.

Nowadays I use it at breakfast. I've never in my life been able to eat breakfast, (years of coffee and cigarettes will do that) but doing a whole day's work on nothing can be hard, so I now have a whey protein shake with milk, honey, turmeric and ground oats. Works for me.

all the ones I saw seemed to just be stuffed with a fair amount of calories/carbs so I was wondering the actual 'benefit'.

The idea behind the weigh****chers etc shakes is it is a meal replacement so even though it still contains a fair amount of calories, it is enough for you to survive and is a set portion.

You could in theory eat a 400 calorie meal yourself but human nature means your portion size will vary, you will add salad dressing and croutons and you will wash it down with coke.

i thought the reason Protien works as a diet, regardless of it if suppresses appetite or not, is that unlike any other food (carbs sugar etc) the body does not and never will convert it into fat stores, it simply takes what it needs and poo's it out - hence very dark black dense poo

the only advice i would give, is not drink it with milk (use water) use unflavored (to avoid artificial sweeteners) - and drink more water than usual to prevent hard stools.
oh, and drink it slowly, its easy to down it in one.

Pointless...Why?

The point of supplementing with whey is the high bio availability of the protein and the rapid uptake. Ideal post workout when you want to stimilate muscle synthesis, but at all other times you are better suited to a protein which is going to provide a more sustained release of amino acids.

Put simply; If whey was a carb it would be a sugar, whereas casien or egg protein would be a fibrous starch. You can increase the absorption rate by adding it to food with some fat content (or eating protein rich foods).

Whey has become a buzz word in the sports industry but it's not the only protein supplement and has limited use, especially for those wishing to lose weight.

I've been using a whey isolate for the past 6/7 weeks, have lost 6 pounds whilst gaining muscle tone and mass.

I have a shake for breakfast with a banana and another shake after lunch. It has a under a gramme of fat per serving (.6 i think) a gramme of carbs.

Basically it keeps me full and stops me craving junk-food, it gives me the protein to support my gym habit, has minimal fat and tastes ok.

As long as your wife is disciplined with her diet in general I'd definitely recommend whey for weight loss when used properly.

Avoid sugar - Thats why diets which are seemingly at opposing ends of the nutritional spectrum achieve similar results - On the one hand The Atkins diet (carb free) and on the other The High fibre approach (low fat) - The lack of processed sugar is the common denominator .. Sugar is crazily addictive - Most of us will get intense cravings in one form or another ..

Sugar is crazily addictive - Most of us will get intense cravings in one form or another ..

Yep. I actually had the cravings worse when I was on a carb-free diet. Even after 4-5 months of it I still got massive cravings for anything carby, even bread. Gave up and went back to a normal balanced diet and it sorted itself out. Carb free is horrible.