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I've been flying back and forth between home and the UK quite a bit over the last four months and I see that for tomorrows flight I no longer have to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. It was dropped along with lots of other rules back on the 18th March.
Felt rough on Friday, felt like a good cold etc , didn't think much about it, went into work Saturday feeling really rough, so much so I came home lunch time, decided to test Sunday and the line came up within seconds , nice and bright.
Wife felt a bit sniffly so did a test and she's positive as well and today we both really like crap , both sat in front of the telly feeling sorry for ourselves!
we've both had all our 3 jabs so no idea how bad it would feel without those ??
had txt from manager today asking when I'm going back !! ... not got the energy to actually message him back, let alone go into work which is a physical job.
Is there a feeling now that the Government has told people to "Keep Calm & Carry On" that management are not going to be as understanding as they have been for the last 2 years when it comes to time off work? Do you have to take sick leave for C19 nowadays?
Tested positive yesterday symptoms came on last night. Feel absolutely awful. Trying to recall if this is the worst Ive ever felt or swineflu. Splitting headache, constant shivering, puking, exhausted, shits. Fun times. This is after three jabs too!
Felt rough on Friday, felt like a good cold etc , didn’t think much about it, went into work Saturday feeling really rough, so much so I came home lunch time, decided to test Sunday and the line came up within seconds , nice and bright.
had txt from manager today asking when I’m going back !!
This is daft (situation, not you) - at my work now we are saying don't come in if you are at all unwell - whether Cold, covid or flu - just don't pass it on. But we can wfh to some extent and I know others can't.
I presume you had to go in because of something like shifts, or not being paid if not at work, or whatever....and instead potentially there's other people now also getting ill and missing work, etc.
Ewan - there is a Norovirus doing the rounds. Puking isn't a covid thing in the main.
Mind you, when I was "Ill" in Feb 2020 all my symptoms were the same as yours. I got signed off work for 10 days and the Doc said as far as he could tell it was Flu and Gastroenteritus at the same time. I still believe it was Covid.
I think that there is a shift away from presenteeism. If you are ill with influenza-like symptoms, you don't go to work. you don't infect people. This has been a very British disease (presenteeism) and hopefully we have learned something from COVID19. That and washing hands. Actually I don't believe we will learn hand washing.
Still feeling worn down, will test again tomorrow. Mrs TiRed has her dose now and is feeling as rubbish as I did last week. Mine started with sinusitis, then a headache, light temperature and vomiting (I'm very sensitive to the immune messenger signals* called cytokines), then a cold with streaming nose, sneezing, and them sore throat and chest. And fatigue. A lot of fatigue. 11 days so far, but improving according to my Teams colleagues.
*Typical symptoms are headache, nausea, low blood pressure (especially when standing), blotchy skin, shivers, muscle aches. I get the lot, thank you IL-6, CRP and all your friends.
Is anyone else in the same boat as me?
@aldo56 - my wife has been, although is slowly getting better. We're on the other side of the world, though.
Ewan – there is a Norovirus doing the rounds. Puking isn’t a covid thing in the main.
Yeah I know. Had a PCR tho so Def have it. It's mainly bile.
O2 is currently sitting at 95% compared go my normal 99%.
Have a different variety of headache now. Constant throbbing instead of violent jabbing pains.
My wife is still having really bad dizzy spells 9/10 days after showing negative. She had sickness and diarrhea as well as endless headaches, albeit those have (mostly) abated now
I had dizzy spells 3 weeks post Covid in February - quite scary!!
O2 is currently sitting at 95% compared go my normal 99%.
My other half has never had her O2 rise back above 95% since her second bought of Covid. If you want to "get back to normal" and pretend Covid is just another series of colds, don't get a pulse oximeter.
I know you were being ironic kelvin, but there's something in that. Self-monitoring is not a universally good thing in my opinion, depends on if the info is actually useful to improve the situation, there's a risk it just becomes anxiety-inducing
There's something in that. That attitude won't sell Apple Watches though 😉.
Mine is always 98/99% when I check... where as she has lows in the 80-85% quite often.
I mention this because we've closed our eyes to the possible long term effects of Covid, even when we have reasonably mild initial symptoms... or at least we seem to be "not looking for" anything that doesn't result in hospitalisation. And I happen to believe it's only that wilful ignorance that is allowing our current (non) response to the pandemic in public health terms (beyond just vaccination). News reports about how "we've" come out of the pandemic as a country (that's not what a pandemic is, but hey) when others haven't are regular. What's happening to people here in the UK is now "old news", now that we have daily deaths down in triple figures, except for many people it really isn't in the past.
[ My initial response was SUPPOSED to reassure the poster that 95% that close to onset illness is really nothing to worry about... but I completely ruined it by going off on one, sorry. You'll be absolutely fine @Ewan. Just take it real easy for a bit after you feel well again. ]
I hope everyone currently suffering gets well soon, and is back up and riding by the time the next period of warm dry weather comes our/your way. Take care.
Self-monitoring is not a universally good thing in my opinion
Our health authority is running "virtual wards" for pulse oximetry. Checking on people at home rather than admitting them to hospital. I declined when they phoned me after a lovely chat, but I do check regularly. Mrs TiRed is consistently higher than me too. I'm supposed to be the athlete! Still positive and chest sore as ever, but not down at <=94% thus far. A watch that measured would be a nice feature, but resting heart rate tells me the same really.
Felt rough on Friday, felt like a good cold etc , didn’t think much about it, went into work Saturday feeling really rough
*slow clap from everyone you work with*
Really? After everything that's happened over the last two years you get a stinking cold and your first action is to go into work with it?
Depends on the job?
A company that I have professional involvment with, has, based on what I overheard on site with them, a policy that people testing positive get swapped to sites where they are outside, and working alone.
I was working yesterday after my bout of covid but started to get a headache about 4.30 so finished up. Wife and I both feeling rough as again today, headaches, generally washed out, spaced out, so I'm off again. Hope I knock this on the head!
theotherjonv
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I presume you had to go in because of something like shifts, or not being paid if not at work, or whatever….and instead potentially there’s other people now also getting ill and missing work, etc.
I don't work shifts, but also don't get sick pay ... I'm still off work as feel utter crap still, Still showing as positive , work will have to wait as long as it takes ... Found out earlier today another chap I work with is off as well with it but his symptoms are very different to mine ?
Vomiting/Nausea has been reported anecdotally as a symptom of the newer variants, although it could just be a few unlucky people who have managed to develop Covid and norovirus concurrently.
As an aside, I'm on the clinically vulnerable list and just got an unrequested box of LFTs through the post.
Flaperon
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Felt rough on Friday, felt like a good cold etc , didn’t think much about it, went into work Saturday feeling really rough*slow clap from everyone you work with*
Really? After everything that’s happened over the last two years you get a stinking cold and your first action is to go into work with it?
Only because I was the only one on site ... they run this place so understaffed its a joke ....
we only have a small team of 6 and it was my weekend to work etc !
Only because I was the only one on site … they run this place so understaffed its a joke ….
we only have a small team of 6 and it was my weekend to work etc !
So a genuine clap from the other 5 people - who otherwise would have had a late notice schedule change.
Every job is different like I said.
5 in the house, 44/33/12/3/1
Why is it that the only one without is the energetic 3 year old 🤦
I'm on day 8 of testing positive. Yesterday's test was faint. Was expecting Today's today's to be fainter still or possibly clear, so how come it was a really strong positive line again? 🤷♂️
I’m on day 8 of testing positive. Yesterday’s test was faint. Was expecting Today’s today’s to be fainter still or possibly clear, so how come it was a really strong positive line again? 🤷♂️
Didn't get a good sample yesterday?
Had just eaten/drank, had a snotty nose?
Do LFTs differentiate between live and dead virus? Could you get a stronger positive when you start expelling dead virus (if that is even a thing)? Just a thought.
Looks like yet another review at work to try get me back in the office one day a week but given that I'm clinically vulnerable, working fine from home and they've been having Covid breakouts in the office without sending out emails notifying there have been cases at work they can get stuffed.
Just done another lft and I've finally cleared the virus but feel rough again today. Let to days I've felt about the worst, like a 2 day long hang over.
I felt like I had a hangover for about a week after it, don’t know if that was down to my lung performance being down. Still a bit wheezy and some chest pains a week and a half later.
I’m on day 8 of testing positive. Yesterday’s test was faint. Was expecting Today’s today’s to be fainter still or possibly clear, so how come it was a really strong positive line again?
Exactly the same here. And same happened to a friend.
Do LFTs differentiate between live and dead virus
The scientific community doesn't have a clear consensus on whether viruses are even 'alive' in the first place. It's actually a fascinating question that's worth reading around.
I suspect a more sensible query would be a 'viavle' Vs 'non-viable' virus i.e. one that has been neutralised by an antibody which blocks the molecules needed for cell entry. A lot will end up engulfed by white blood cells as well. Whether the lateral flow tests pick any of these up or not I have no idea.
Just popping in to wish everyone with the lurgy (lots on here and irl at the mo...) all the best and hope you are all recovering well.
I tested positive for 13 days before I finally got clear LF tests. Ironically my symptoms were very mild. OH had a much rougher time but tested positive for a shorter time.
It's a funny old virus!
Or an unreliable test
Let's be honest, is a shit virus, a shit testing method that is not consistently applied, vague results that untrained internet virologists spend time trying to quantify. Surely the strength of the line isn't a "covid count"
Final day for most of us to order free LFT kits from gov site, no joy for me so far, having filled in the 1min form a few random times since last night.
On the plus side, the end of free test ordering for the masses will bring a welcome reduction in workload at work, delivering the kits including taking photos for the last three weeks (along with a vast majority of other Tracked parcels) has been a significant impact on residential deliveries for the last ~12 months.
On the potentially negative side, just how quickly are the UK going to spot and react to nastier variants than Omicron for vaccinated individuals and/or vaccination waning, when relatively few will be testing? Is free/mass testing continuing in mainland Europe, or are we waiting to hear of stories similar to the Italian hospitals around Feb '20 (and hopefully reacting far more decisively in a prompt manner than back then)?
Cost of tests in Europe vary from country to country and aren't free in many
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/how-much-does-a-covid-test-cost-around-the-world
I'm sure I've heard "live virus" used in relation to vaccines, but fair enough, viable is a better way of putting it.
My son tested positive, then two days later so did my wife. I had 9 days of negative LFTs in a row despite feeling a bit crap. No temperature or persistent cough, but headaches, muscle aches and generally bunged up. Then, 13 days after my son first tested positive I got my first positive LFT, just as I was starting to feel a bit better. So, I'm wondering if I had it all along but never had a high enough viral load to get a positive LFT until I started clearing the crap out towards the end. Probably not, but possible I guess.
I’m sure I’ve heard “live virus” used in relation to vaccines, but fair enough, viable is a better way of putting it.
You have and my post wasn't trying to be pedantic so much as, you raise an interesting point, which is that we're still not really very sure how to classify viruses in terms of 'life'.
Did you ever see the film The Andromeda Strain? It was a film based on an early Michael Chricton novel (he of Jurassic Park fame) where a highly lethal pathogen is returned to earth from a satelite and a team of scientists is assigned to isolate and identify it. I mention it as it kind of addresses the same question.
You have and my post wasn’t trying to be pedantic
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that either. You are quite right, it is a very interesting question.
This was quite a nice discussion on the issue I thought.
delivering the kits including taking photos for the last three weeks
when did this change? my last delivery had a photo, previously they just got stuffed in the letter box.
I've managed to order my last free box today but I'll be away all weekend. What are the chances I'll never get them?
Well that's that. After 10 months of showing folk how to stick objects in orifices my test site closed yesterday to the public and this morning we stripped stock and assets from the site.
We had four people turn up today for PCR tests who seemed totally surprised that you can't walk in and get a free PCR before going to visit a partner in hospital. Almost like the government hadn't actually let people know and understand the implications.
Ivermectin proves negative in pivotal trial. Unusual for the NEJM to publish negative trials, but this one was political.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869?query=featured_home
Tested positive again today - two weeks now, but feeling a little better. Went for a slow but decent walk with the dog in the sunshine. Will test again on Sunday with the dwindling LF tests.
Let's see what cases do based on decline in (free) testing. Admissions have climbed at about half the rate of cases, which is a reflection of Omicron and boosting. they will peak soon. I still maintain that an omicron-targeting vaccine is required, with hybrid activity against wild type. I'll skip the next booster, given this infection, but would take the one after in the Autumn in a heartbeat.
Rest assured, the ONS survey is not going away (phew!), and the UKHSA is monitoring variants and publishing their updates, including those for vaccine efficacy (not great as you might have guessed). Keep dropping into these pages for updates:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-sars-cov-2-variants-technical-briefings
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
One further publication that's an interesting read: "All in this together?". This paper shows that the largest predictor of mortality in US states was the proportion of people who volunteer (above and beyond obesity level). The result is replicated at country level although less variation is explained).
Correlation is not causation, but it's interesting nevertheless.
hmmm, another problem with the organisation of testing? The current system is open to abuse? I had a reminder set on my phone to order lft and hasn't stopped it. When it popped up I thought I'd like and see what the system is now for those that need them. First page has the message about who is eligible, click on, click into NHS account, click, click, oh... Order received. Looks like I've ordered some! I expected to have a flag on my NHS account or to need to enter a code to proceed. Seems not.