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Government have pulled the funding for the Zoe app / study. They will self fund for now. We're down to just the ONS REACT study for a true picture outside of hospitalisations and deaths.
Back to "la, la, I'm not listening" and hoping it's all gone away. Which may or may not happen but I'd prefer to have data if I was making the decisions.
wtaf are they playing at?
What a selfish prick…
@somafunk @tpbiker in both these cases it sounds like the people in people in question are within the rules as they currently stand. I'm not sure what you expect them to do? Sure, I'd stay at home if someone in the household was +ve.... but I have the luxury of still being able to work and get paid. Many people don't.
It’s one thing someone in your household being positive, but it’s another if you are positive yourself, as is the case of my colleagues husband
Just because it’s within the rules doesn’t not make them a selfish prick. Leave covid out of it, would you be wanting to be sitting next to someone at work who was riddled with the flu?
I’m personally dreading my holiday flight in a months time. There’s bound to be a few ****s who are riddled with it who no doubt won’t want to miss out on their holiday, thus endangering everyone else on the plane
Not dreading it enough not to put yourself at risk though.
My argument (sweary rant) is with the incompetent housing association who have been made well aware I have a compromised immune system due to spms and low levels of antibody response despite receiving 3 doses of vaccine yet they deemed it ok to send someone who is in close contact with confirmed covid.
It’s one thing someone in your household being positive, but it’s another if you are positive yourself, as is the case of my colleagues husband
Sorry, misunderstood your post. Yes agree that's different.
PS - re the plane, a FFP2 or 3 mask may be useful. Its the best you can do anyway.
. deleted as Somafunk has apparently done exactly what I was suggesting he should have done.
Sorry, misunderstood your post. Yes agree that’s different.
It's different, I wouldn't do it, but it's not breaking any rules, and with money getting tighter, many people have no choice.
This is what "living with Covid" was always going to mean.
Terrible for anyone who is vulnerable.
Not dreading it enough not to put yourself at risk though
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here @scotroutes, but comes across as a bit of an unfair comment. We're all making choices about amount of risk to take. Perfectly rationale to decide on balance that the holiday is worth it, but not look forward to the flight.
Not dreading it enough not to put yourself at risk though.
And how do you know that given I’ve not yet decided whether im definitely going?
Answer.. you didn’t, you just felt like a pointless wee pop at me didn’t you😏
yet they deemed it ok to send someone who is in close contact with confirmed covid.
Why would they even know he's in close contact with a covid case? Legally it's no longer any of their business. Even if he actually had covid he's still free to go to work and doesn't need to tell them.
Who mentioned the law? Somafunk’s complaint seems sound to me, and nothing to do with what is legally required. If you’ve tenants that have informed you they have surpressed immunity, you need to think about their situation while Covid is still at the levels it is. Same goes for your staff, and their families, etc.
It's weird I'm off work with COVID but mrs100th has been told to attend work, police officer, she's daily testing negative.
Police service say she's essential worker (as can my work) as long as they make a business case she's not to isolate.
Not having to isolate isn’t the same as going to work in someone’s house when they have informed your employer/client that they are immunosuppressed though.
Not having to isolate isn’t the same as going to work in someone’s house when they have informed your employer/client that they are immunosuppressed though.
How exactly is the employer supposed to know that their employee has covid when they don't need to tell them? West Yorks police officers are still expected to go to work and perform normal duties if they have covid, but aren't actually ill enough to stay off work. The only guidance they've been given is that they should wear masks and other officers are refusing to share vehicles with them.
So, just when “we” thought it was safe, we now have Deltacron cases rising…
You obviously didn’t read down to the bit which says ‘it isn’t expected to be a problem’
How exactly is the employer supposed to know that their employee has covid when they don’t need to tell them?
By asking them. Most people will happily be assigned to another house rather than lie or not answer a straight question to take a job in a home where they might be putting an immunosuppressed individual at risk.
Not sure an employer can legally ask about your health situation?
I'm not saying the situation is morally correct, but this is "living with Covid" however unhappy we are about it.
but this is “living with Covid”
We can still act at work to protect those most at risk, whether that is coworkers, customers, clients, or their families. If someone (say a tenant) tells you they are immunosuppressed, you absolutely should act accordingly, and reduce the risk you expose them to, not just shrug and say you have no legal responsibility, or that this is what "living with Covid" is about. It is not.
It has decimated* our office.
30% of the people who were in on tues now positive.
2 key staff members about to have (be the father to) a baby, one of them has a due date of today.
After 20 odd months of interpreting the rules to benefit the business, its odd there is now overcaution on their part.
playing catchup in the next two weeks is going to be fun.
Also has affected my girlfriends work as they are having to rearrange everything for next week
*actually, about halfway between the actual definition, and the commonly held definition
cold like (rather than traditional covid) symptoms and a negative test yesterday, lighter symptoms and positive test today.
pre2020 I've happily worked through worse.
does seem to discredit my theory that there was no way I would have got through the last year and a half in my job without getting it though.
It has decimated* our office.
Yep, seems to be affecting a lot of workplaces of people I know in the 20-30% range.
We can still act at work to protect those most at risk, whether that is coworkers, customers, clients, or their families. If someone (say a tenant) tells you they are immunosuppressed, you absolutely should act accordingly, and reduce the risk you expose them to.
Absolutely we should. But my point was that an employer, as I understand it, can't oblige staff to declare an infection so its quite possible they will inadvertently be putting people at risk, compounded by those who are symptom free, not testing any more, not disclosing positive tests.....
an employer, as I understand it, can’t oblige staff to declare an infection
Of course not, but they can ask, before sending staff into the home of someone who has told them they are immunosupressed, and should. Why wouldn't the employer ask? Why would an employee not skip that job and take another one if invited to? You would, wouldn't you?
does seem to discredit my theory that there was no way I would have got through the last year and a half in my job without getting it though.
You could quite easily be infected with Omicron having previously had one of the earlier variants.
I'm absolutely agreeing with your point kelvin, but my employer has made it clear they can't and won't ask about people vaccination or infection status.
I'm with somafunk. He did the correct thing sending the maintenance chap away.
We're in France where some (not covid) virus is going around. It seems to be contagious.
18 non starters in the Paris - Nice bike race yesterday contracted it. I too seemed to have been struck down. Doh!
18 non starters in the Paris – Nice bike race yesterday contracted it.
They are denying that the Paris-Nice abandons are due to COVID - "symptoms relating to sickness, with flu, sinusitis, or bronchitis the most common causes", apparently. Ho hum...
I’m with somafunk. He did the correct thing sending the maintenance chap away.
Undoubtedly, but I'm not sure what the employer could have done as they have no legal right to know if their employees are infected. I've made the same point in response to other posts; it really is up to us all to keep ourselves out of risk as much as possible now. That's quite a change from how we, as a society, were dealing with it previously. Close to home, my wife and I have been extra vigilant/careful as her immune system is suppressed due to chemotherapy - going well beyond whatever guidelines and rules have been in place. There are still places I won't go and activities I won't participate in and, judging by the current infection rates, I guess that will carry on for some time.
What’s the situation for close contact isolation in the UK atm?
Australian PM is aiming to get isolation requirements scrapped. I’m curious because I’m a close contact currently.
There is no legal requirement to isolate in the United Kingdom for anyone under any circumstances. Even if you have Covid you’re not legally required to isolate.
What’s the situation for close contact isolation in the UK atm?
As I understand it, there's no legal requirements any more.
We're being asked to "avoid contact" where possible but we are officially at "please obey Rule#1 but don't worry if you can't"
You could quite easily be infected with Omicron having previously had one of the earlier variants.
And reinfected with the second Omicron subvariant within weeks of having the first Omicron infection.
And reinfected with the second Omicron subvariant within weeks of having the first Omicron infection.
Seems quite common. Friend has just got it again about six weeks since last bout.
Fully jabbed.
On living with Covid, it beggars belief that someone in multiple houses daily doing work isn't at least able to ask a basic question about the health status of the tenant.
Unfortunately, it probably says more about shitty employment protection than anything else.
I had a client recently, who I know is undergoing chemo.
Did I pop round to check out her job a few weeks ago while one of my kids was positive? No, no I did not. FFS, Rule 1, how hard can it be?
I had a client recently, who I know is undergoing chemo.
Did I pop round to check out her job a few weeks ago while one of my kids was positive? No, no I did not. FFS, Rule 1, how hard can it be?
Not a pop at anyone. You’d think companies who send employees into people’s houses would have to have a risk assessment to avoid infecting people, duty of care etc, but get COVID done eh?
He anyone seen an official reason for ending the funding for the Zoe app? And do we know if the ONS CIS will be kept running up to and through next winter? Trying to get my ahead around whether this is about saving money, or the government deliberately not looking for possible problems where they want us all to ignore them if they occur/increase.
Covid is over. I’m on a train to London (via Twickenham). Of course it’s full as there’s some event or other 😉 and I’m the only one wearing a mask. The only one.
We are now seeing a modest rise in cases, hospitalisations and some deaths, and debate is open as to whether this is 1) behaviour 2) waning booster immunity 3) BA.2 variant evading immunity. This rise is in the older age groups who might expect to have waning immunity from boosting. My own view is that a micron is evading vaccine immunity. We were lucky it provided some protection from morbidity. Infection by omicron does not protect against delta which is why the new Moderna vaccine is a mix of both Omicron and WT. I anticipate a fourth booster and as I’ve said, eventual annual boosting with appropriate vaccines in time.
Anyway I’m off for a cocktail and afternoon tea. On what must be the busiest train I’ve been on for years.
@TiRed, hubby and I will still be wearing masks, keeping our distance and washing hands. We do not want this affecting the elderly population. I am one of the older forum members and intend to try and stay as healthy and fit as possible (as I still have to work for several more years yet).
It's not difficult, it's not inconvenient and doesn't take any time to look out for others.
So, who's taking bets on some fresh restrictions within the next month? At no point in the pandemic have I known so many people to be getting it, many for a second time.
Covid is over. I’m on a train to London (via Twickenham). Of course it’s full as there’s some event or other 😉 and I’m the only one wearing a mask. The only one.
Move north of the border. 95% mask wearing still on trains and in shops IME here
So, who’s taking bets on some fresh restrictions within the next month?
Not a chance. Johnson is so beholden now to the right wing anti restrictions lot that he cannot do so
I'll take the bet that they won't happen. I also know a lot of people who have it but I also know that hospital admissions are very unlikely to warrant that kind of sanction:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Covid isn't going to go away and there's always a chance it mutates into something that does cause huge problems in the future, but that's just not where we are at right now.
Meanwhile there is an epidemic of mental health problems emerging, and it's not hard to draw a line between this and lockdown, particularly among children.
2 years ago we were shitting ourselves at 50000 cases a day being a thing. But that’s what happening right now. Sure, things are different but as per TiRed over the last 3 days of travelling I’ve seen barely a mask in sight in
A) a busy leisure centre (Crawley K2) where I spotted one sanitiser stand and the Gents soap dispensers were empty
B) petrols stations and services
C) hotels
….although about 50% of people in a Sainsburys had them on.
I’m still wearing a mask and using hand sanitiser, got an odd look yesterday when using sanitiser immediately as I put a petrol pump back on the hook.
2 years ago we were shitting ourselves at 50000 cases a day being a thing
Some people were, not everyone was and that has been the same story the whole way through the pandemic. Not everyone shares the same perception of risk or the same experience of anxiety/neuroticism. If you surveyed the population as a whole you'd find a fairly strong positive correlation between a person's predisposition to generally worry about things (like covid) and their adherence to mask wearing and hand sanitisation. That doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just a very overt, manifest display of hard wired personality differences among the population.
If you surveyed the population as a whole you’d find a fairly strong positive correlation between a person’s predisposition to generally look after other people and their adherence to mask wearing and hand sanitisation.
Slight amendment there for you.
CV aside, it does show the difference in attitudes towards hygiene. Ms. RL was hand sanitising before CV after using public transport/fuel pumps. Why would you not after touching/handling things that many others have?
We've all heard the bar snacks story.
got an odd look yesterday when using sanitiser immediately as I put a petrol pump back on the hook.