Anti-English? Far from it. Re-read my post.
It is supposed to be a comment that the supposed 'outrage' (whinging?) that the national media feed us all about very minor restrictions in England is rather galling. It happens every time.
Even look at them pushing for self isolation to be reduced to 5 days from your current 7 days (with 2x negative LFT). In Scotland covid positive people are self isolating for the full 10 days. Not only that, but all household contacts must also self isolate for a full 10 days, even after a negative pcr test.
My gripe is not with the other nations, and certainly not anti-Englishness. (Sturgeon is a maniac, but at least she didn't give us Brexit..) I'm also not saying that our rules are better/worse or that we are in a better/worse position than othe places.
My gripe is with the whinging that we keep hearing from many sources each time that England has a very minor 'restriction' put in place, whilst in Scotland we have been living with more 'extreme' restrictions that rarely get a passing mention.
Kids will have to put a piece of cloth over their faces in order to help protect others. Big deal - if it saves a teacher having to self isolate for 10 days (or worse..) and the school from possible having to shut then just get on with it.
I was being sarcastic with the quotes I picked about crocodiles and lightning, but yeah.
And in contrast I was being totally serious concerning the health benefits of over 90 year olds using playground equipment.
My gripe is with the whinging that we keep hearing from many sources each time that England has a very minor ‘restriction’ put in place, whilst in Scotland we have been liking with more ‘extreme’ restrictions that rarely get a passing mention.
Respectfully the other UK nations have no real reason to be interested in what Scotland does other than to present a controversial opinion piece so why would it get more than a passing mention?
I don’t think that any part of the country is any worse than anywhere else when you’re talking about resentment of
restrictionssafety measures.
FTFY. Not a dig, just an observation on how policies have been presented.
Wish we could just hit 'refresh' on the current administration.
^^ That's my new hobby, trying to get lf tests.
Yesterday brought a new element to the game, got some random error message continually. Basically a new end of level Boss.
Another recent favourite is the page letting me go right through all the logging in procedure right up till the point of completion and it only then saying there are no deliveries available.
The teases.
Another recent favourite is the page letting me go right through all the logging in procedure right up till the point of completion and it only then saying there are no deliveries available.
The teases.
That is a cheeky one. Another is when you get right through, order confirmed, and then the tests don't show up.
There are a lot of retired nurses/docs working in the vacc centres. I wonder if this is skewing the figures?
Oh I'd love that to be exposed as the number fiddling
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Full MemberI don’t think that any part of the country is any worse than anywhere else when you’re talking about resentment of restrictions.
I think fundamentally that was true. But different government actions have created different attitudes. Loosening then tightening definitely increases resentment/refusal. Not following your own rules does the same. So I think that at this point it's absolutely true that the average scot resents restrictions less than the average english person.
Not because scottish people are awesome but because english people have been coached that way more than we have.
Even look at them pushing for self isolation to be reduced to 5 days from your current 7 days (with 2x negative LFT)
Add "no symptoms for the last 2/5 days" and that seems quite reasonable for the vaccinated.
According to Institut Pasteur people are 80% less likely to be hospitalised with omicron than delta. And the overwhelming majority of those hospitalised are unvaccinated. A compromise is needed between hospital admissions and unnecessarily strict measures.
It's always been a balancing act. I've been in favour of measures that are a minor inconvenience and have a positive effect such as mask wearing, ventilating, favouring outside gathering, but locking people up for longer than necessary should be avoided.
I mentioned this before… the data we have shows that (for previous waves/variants of this virus) the vaccinated are infectious for a shorter time than the unvaccinated. So shorter release times for those vaccinated than those unvaccinated is a reasonable data led policy. Just reducing the isolation time for all (or using LFT with high false negative rates to end isolation) makes less sense. As does removing isolation requirements for those in households where someone has very recently tested positive.
while there's a shortage of LFT's, would it work / be worth combining swabs and testing eg: a family worth instead of using four?
If all negative then test would be negative? And only if positive do you then do separate tests..... possibly waste one to save three most of the time (hopefully)
Could you swab with a standard cotton bud?
Not because scottish people are awesome but because english people have been coached that way more than we have.
I’m afraid that there does seem to be a significant number of English people who have bought into this whole nationalist populist/ ultra libertarian narrative where even the most modest restrictions on them doing whatever the **** they like is treated as if it is living in some kind of fascist dictatorship
I really don’t think it’s that many people at all, but they just make an awful lot of noise as they have a wholly disproportionate voice in both parliament and the media
Best to just ignore them
Plenty of Scots are lunatic anti-vax libertarian nutters too. Some of them support Rangers and are members of my family.... you'll never guess what happens next!!!!
Something on age distribution of this wave at last…
https://twitter.com/pouriaaa/status/1478074333637533698?s=21
Plenty of Scots are lunatic anti-vax libertarian nutters too. Some of them support Rangers
If they’re Rangers fans, aren’t they technically a really weird, dysfunctional strain of ‘Engerlish’ anyway?
They seems to be entirely referencing a single day of declining infections, Sunday, and taking that as meaning we are past the peak?
We have had the numbers allowed to book tests at our site more than halved over the last few days. Carry that across enough sites and the number of tested infections will reduce. We are told the bookings throttle will be removed on Wednesday. Any guesses on when the number of infections will suddenly rise triggering the need for an unavoidable lockdown?
<blockquoteI’m afraid that there does seem to be a significant number of English people who have bought into this whole nationalist populist/ ultra libertarian narrative where even the most modest restrictions on them doing whatever the **** they like is treated as if it is living in some kind of fascist dictatorship
I really don’t think it’s that many people at all, but they just make an awful lot of noise as they have a wholly disproportionate voice in both parliament and the media
Best to just ignore them
I was in beaconsfield Services grabbing a sandwich new yrs day evening. 50% of people in there weren't bothering with masks etc. strutting around like they're being clever and I'm a dick for bothering to wear a mask.
You can't really ignore them though as they're prob the ones not testing either and not washing their hands... The idea of slightly inconvenienceing themselves to get some benefit for others is alien to them.
Has the healthcare data always been about a week out of date or is it an Omicron thing?
Gov.uk hospital data has always been a week behind.
Ta
An acquaintance of mine posted this recently.
This is what we are up against. As with so much of this stuff on FB, its American in origin and just mindlessly shared by dick heads everywhere.
What an utter ****.
If they’re Rangers fans, aren’t they technically a really weird, dysfunctional strain of ‘Engerlish’ anyway?
About as true as someone saying all English football fans are lager swilling, racist hooligans.
Yes, there are a percentage like that, and they're usually the loudest ones.
Anyway, that's another thread. 😄
As a slightly cheeky note on the guy that posted the image above, he:
Voted for Brexit.
Is a big football supporter.
Voted for Johnson in '19.
Is English (like me).
Generalisations are always dangerous but even so... Lots of boxes ticked there.😉
Been feeling a bit knackered and achy since the Clydesdale race on Saturday afternoon, hoped in a silly way it was Omicron after last Wednesday's shift working with someone whose partner tested positive (but they didn't daily since), just to get it over with and end the uncertainty of how another infection will affect my boostered partner who has been off work with Long Covid for just over a year now.
But sadly lft yesterday and today were negative, so back to the Omicron cauldron at work tomorrow which has caused staffing issues for 2+ weeks, no doubt I'll come down with it just in time for my pending annual leave.
This is what we are up against. As with so much of this stuff on FB, its American in origin
There's something really bizarre about the Q types screaming that COVID passports are like the treatment of Jews while simultaneously denying the Holocaust.
^^ Yep, there's just so many things utterly wrong about sharing that picture (in the context he did) that it's hard to list them all.
no doubt I’ll come down with it just in time for my pending annual leave.
So that'll be, what, your fourth/fifth case of Covid, plus fits of the vapours every time you get near a needle? Just another reason I sacked off Royal Fail last autumn, fed up of working 50+ hour weeks covering for a workforce of over unionised sicknotes.
Now driving part time for Tesco in South Wales to pay the bills when I'm not on the bike. I'd estimate up to 35% of the households I'm delivering to in the last week have tested positive - not many have symptoms, they've just done the right thing and gone the LFT/PCR route when planning nights out or family visits. Selective bias - I won't be seeing the really sick ones because they're in hospital, but equally the assholes who don't care won't be testing anyway. Pick the bones out of that.
Me? Fully boostered and masked up, drafted in to work extra shifts with wry/bemused detachment like I've been doing the last two years. But first an overnight bivi trip tomorrow - something I don't intend letting the lockdown fans take away from me again. One can harbour scepticism without being an antivax wingnut.
But first an overnight bivi trip tomorrow – something I don’t intend letting the lockdown fans take away from me again.
Firstly and most importantly, enjoy the bivi.👍
Your most definitely not a wingnut but there are also *zero* lock down fans on the forum... in fact I've not met one here or in real life.
Question for resident expert. Lots of talk on radio of us having reached peak Omicron, which s another debate I'm sure. But what are we expecting the down slope to look like with no control measures?
London based radio? Probably the only bit of the UK that could be past peak Omnicron infection levels. As for the downslope... what does the Delta downslope look like? That's right, we are too busy watching a new variant take hold to notice that is ongoing. Fingers crossed that we don't have yet another variant to deal with this winter. While we wait and watch to see what the hospitals have to deal with mid Jan, our (the World, not just us) very high prevalence of both Delta and Omicron (and others) means more opportunities for new variants of concern. Hopefully the accelerated booster programme has put us in a very good position to deal with another variant in the UK... but "running hot" here while rolling out vaccines is a worry in terms of a creating our own variant with more vaccine protection evasion, isn't it?
Well radio 4.. but let's not argue revprak or not peak, I want to know abought the return to the trough!!
Any T&T people on here? My wife and daughter have received PCRs through the post, but we can't tell which is for who. I believe they are tagged to a person on dispatch, so how can we make sure the correct person does the correct test?
Have done postal PCR s like that.
There's an email code you will have had through.
It's not tagged to a person until you link the code ( person specific) to the test serial number.
So use either, but link it as you set it up.
Ta - will look again.
Each week I get a list of all the positive tests we've done in the lab on inpatients, new admissions through AE and a handful of staff. A few weeks ago, it was plateu'd around the 140-150 mark. It gradually dropped to a low of 80 3 weeks ago. Last week was 220, this week is 550! Needless to say my trust has declared a critical incident, no beds and no staff!!
fed up of working 50+ hour weeks covering for a workforce of over unionised sicknotes.
You need to see your union rep about those unreasaonable hours.
what does the Delta downslope look like?
On this side of the channel Delta peaked in mid December when Omicron was still less than 10% of cases and has declined since. But not much because Omicron is now 64% of a whole lot more cases with Delta at a still high level. The Americans have downward revised their proportion of Omicron cases - Delta is still very much around.
As our health minister Olivier Véran put it: Delta fills intensive care units, Omicron will saturate conventional hospital beds and stop society functionning properly.
Does anyone on here know what the criteria for being admitted into hospital with covid actually are?
I presume there are a series of objective metrics that if you meet you are admitted, and if you dont you are told to go back home?
Are they published anywhere? I wonder whether the criteria for needing hospital treatment will get revised to reduce the number of people needing hospital treatment.
^^ I know back in earlier waves a dropping blood oxygen level was a good indicator things were going south and to seek medical care asap.
It's why I purchased a finger clip O2 meter at the time.
Any T&T people on here? My wife and daughter have received PCRs through the post, but we can’t tell which is for who. I believe they are tagged to a person on dispatch, so how can we make sure the correct person does the correct test?
I've done quite a few postal ones over the months. Initially you had to register the test to associate it with the patient. Recentlyish they changed it so that if you only order one test then it's automatically registered to you, but if you order multiple then you have to register them to each person.
Does anyone on here know what the criteria for being admitted into hospital with covid actually are?
I presume there are a series of objective metrics that if you meet you are admitted, and if you dont you are told to go back home?
Are they published anywhere? I wonder whether the criteria for needing hospital treatment will get revised to reduce the number of people needing hospital treatment.
Drac would be able to comment on what the objective criteria for admission are in terms of pulse oximetry/symptoms. I always see 92% or lower consistently quoted as a threshold for calling 999.
First day back at work (teaching in a college) and 12% of my class are off with covid. Luckily, the college is copying the guidance for secondary schools and enforcing face masks in classrooms. Though a LOT of students are 'exempt' and we're not allowed to ask for proof.
Boris having a conference at 5pm today to show off his new haircut.
tabloid rumours for tonights press conference include:
Rationing of LF tests. Not sure how or what this would entail unless it is a change in the "guidance" for how and when to use them.
Reduction of isolation to 5 days. As pointed out on this thread, the US counts from positive (PCR?) test result, not symptoms, so this would actually be better than them. Although i dont fully understand how our Day0 works.
Rationing of LF tests. Not sure how or what this would entail unless it is a change in the “guidance” for how and when to use them.
I asked yesterday but no-one responded, (theoretically speaking) could a household all swab but then extract say 4 swabs into one vial and run that as one test?
If all clear, you've used one kit i.o four; saving three.
If it comes back positive then all need to do individual tests so you then have ended up using five. But in the grand scheme, saving three (hopefully most of the time) but risking one?
