OK folks, if we get local lockdowns and our pubs shut we know what to do. All down to Chrispo's place where they are still open.
I pop in here for a chuckle at regular intervals. I always find myself in an odd halfway house between guys like Chrispo, and the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown (apart from the proles making stuff and bringing it to them, obvs).
I live in a small Lancs village but work in one of those urban hellholes in NW England. I signed up as a postie three months before Covid hit...yeah, makes me laugh, too. No lockdown for us, we just got to work like ****s for the last 14 months delivering your essential purchases. Some got sick in our office, most of us (I suspect) had it asymptomatically. Nobody died, nobody with long term effects apart from the usual malingering suspects that infest Royal Mail. As a fit, healthy 54 year old I assessed the risks....and chose to work 50+ hour weeks in a comically non-Covid secure workplace, saving a sh!tload of money while scratching my head over the way people round me were collectively losing their sh!t.
I've a mate who's a consultant at Derby General so I absolutely understand what's going on. There are so many easy wins it'd be criminal not to take them: masks, distancing, vaccination, effective border control, restricting the foreign jollies some of you lot seem to think you have a right to.
But equally, there's a lot of the quiet bigotry of low expectations in this place. It's not all down to politicians, I've witnessed so much grade A f@ckwittery on the dodgier Merseyside estates I deliver to (and amongst my colleagues...) that I now just follow my own compass, and observe events round me with detached interest. Life's a bit more risky, but it's manageable risk with a bit of common sense and consideration. Time to nut up and get on with it.
Is it proven that the Indian Variant only affects your naan? (Sorry, not sorry)
There are so many easy wins it’d be criminal not to take them
Agreed.
proposing Total Lockdown
Most people want to avoid another lock down, total or otherwise. I haven’t read anyone proposing otherwise. Questioning the removing of measures like masks in classrooms on Monday isn’t about calling for schools to be shut, for example, but quite the opposite… keep more of them open by keeping the “easy wins” in place while we get more people vaccinated and contain new variants. We want to keep “opening up” while also taking the measures we can to reduce transmission in the coming weeks. And, because of the nature of the pandemic, these measures require government action to be coordinated and effective. They can’t be left to “individual responsibility” as we “nut up and get on with it”, unfortunately.
the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown
Source?
I'm not seeing any of that behaviour in this thread .
There are so many easy wins it’d be criminal not to take them: masks, distancing, vaccination,
ventilation. Don't close the windows, Monty. 😉
A good addition Ed.
A point for discussion shared via posting some twittering, sorry…
https://twitter.com/bowx313/status/1393250827167584262?s=21
https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1393250743637925888?s=21
https://twitter.com/stewartwood/status/1393258159045849092?s=21
https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1393615797231230984?s=21
Ventilation would be good, Ed, but I spend the first couple of hours of each working day in a crowded warehouse with people who seem to regard masks as optional, and a spineless management incapable of enforcing it. If I was an obese nonagenarian I might give a sh!t.
Source? There's been plenty of that of that on here, requiring no little fist biting on my part when I dip in.
As far as teaching and masks - my 52 year old sister is a postoral LDA at Bolton Community College, mentoring 16-18 year old trainee construction students. Yeah, good, eh? The white lads are sharing cans of Monster, while the Asian students are holding hands and hugging outside the mosques - all while she's disinfecting classroom spaces and wiping down desks. She's like me, doing her best personally while deriving no little amusement from the general situation. Oh how we laugh when we swap work stories.
the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown (apart from the proles making stuff and bringing it to them, obvs).
I find that ****ing offensive on a number of levels - starting with the inverse snobbery, the assumption that those of us proposing caution are paranoid, the complete lie that people are proposing total lockdown. Not just poor folk are key workers and been putting themselves on the line throughout this crisis you know.
In fact - because I agree with everything you wrote about the easy wins and the lack of personal responsibility by some - I'm more inclined to think you were trolling and I was an idiot to be suckered in to it.
Borders and the U.K. now that’s an oxymoron.
The advantage of being an island was the first thing they ... fkd right up from start.
I live in an area where the virus never really arrived, living a life where I am unlikely to be exposed to it anyway, and I am sick of complying with restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks which are almost completely pointless for us out here.
I quoted this bit because it made me laugh the most. Your whole post is absolutely ridiculous. The idea that the rules are aimed at "irresponsible inner-city oiks" as if people who live in rural areas are saints is so laughable. I could rip your post about more but i figure its best to just laugh at you.
I pop in here for a chuckle at regular intervals. I always find myself in an odd halfway house between guys like Chrispo, and the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown (apart from the proles making stuff and bringing it to them, obvs).
Totally agree that is the dominant sentiment in here. Some here appear to live in their own covid secure bubble rather than the real world. The majority of people I know and have met over the last few months are ready to get on with life.
I am sick of complying with restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks
Speaking as someone who has had covid you come across as a right ****ing ****
as if people who live in rural areas are saints is so laughable
Oh, come on. Did I say that? I imagine all age groups in all areas are equally good/bad. But it is in the cities, among the young, where it matters most. Out here there is so much space and no virus, so not the same need for precautions.
Speaking as someone who has had covid you come across as a right * *
I haven’t had Covid AFAIK. But if you mean that you have, then I wouldn’t wear it as a badge of honour.
I’m beyond debating with you. I’ve tried to give benefit of the doubt, defended the right to have a different opinion as recently as today, despite having reservations. I think you’ve just used up the last of the runway for me.
Oh, I’m such a naughty schoolboy. Straight to the back of the class because I still haven’t come round to your point of view. Yet it’s fine that you haven’t come round to mine?
Oh, I’m such a naughty schoolboy
No problem with your different point of view. It's the smug attitude and rude dismissal of other opinions when you put it across.
Yet it’s fine that you haven’t come round to mine?
I can't work out if you are a bigot or a troll or both. But no, I've defended your right to a different opinion until your dog whistle confirmed what I suspected. So no, call me 'woke' as much as you like, I won't be coming round to your way of thinking.
Some of us on here have had no choice but to be one/two steps more paranoid than most others.
When your partner has had cancer and then gets a letter from the Nhs saying to shield, you take that seriously.
To all the bell ends on here (of which there are few, thank god) try walking a mile in somebody else’s shoes, you selfish ****s
Dog whistle? Bigot?! Not a clue.
smug attitude and rude dismissal of other opinions
I think you’re just not getting my sense of humour. I routinely send up both sides. Don’t take me so seriously. I can’t put smileys next to everything.
To all the bell ends on here (of which there are few, thank god) try walking a mile in somebody else’s shoes, you selfish ****
Aimed at me? What do you know about my shoes? And it goes both ways, which was kind of my point. It’s all too easy for all of us to look at it only based on our own situation, whether that be urban or rural, young or old, shielding or not. Two sides to every story. No absolute right and wrong.
Only if you want it to be, Chrispo.
It was aimed at the poster who was taking the piss out of us ‘paranoid’ ones, show some compassion for f’s sake!
Don’t take me so seriously.
Just try posting in good faith, rather than trying to wind people up. Again.
ah, the Edinburgh defence. For the second or third time in a relatively short time here.
(incidentally, when you click on a forum user's name it takes you to profile and tells you how long they've been a member for, what threads they have created and posted in, etc. Some dump you out to the front page? Why?)
I think he can fight his own corner but I doubt it was aimed at those with a genuine reason to be extra cautious.
I think it’s more the doom and gloom merchants who greet every slight relaxation of the rules as the beginning of the end.
I remember when my wife had chemo and trying to stop her picking up any infections. It was very stressful. Wish you all the best.
Fair enough, Chrispo and thank you.
ah, the Edinburgh defence.
Ah, the point of order to shut down any debate.
Ten years next week. Very few.
Off to bed now though. Sleep tight.
edit - deleted, I said i wasn't going to spend more time on this.
Laughing at the "inner city oik" chat where Moray is a hotbed of covid in Scotland. A region famed for its population density.....
(Its 110 per sq mile...)
Complacency coupled with humans thinking it will never be me as I live in the middle of nowhere
Article about those that ignore facts and choose what to believe based on what they want to believe
In short, claims just a handful of highly influential individuals responsible for the majority disinformation spread
Oh, come on. Did I say that?
Basically yes. A direct quote "restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks." Saying this suggested that restrictions were not also "aimed at" (lets also say formed / created / put in place) people who live in rural areas because again direct quote are "completely pointless for us out here." So are you saying rules on household gatherings, eating inside in restaurants, mass gathers at a sports event, limits on how far people can travel, or even closing school was "completely pointless" for those in rural areas?
Its a simple yes or no. If you think those rules are "completely pointless" for people in rural areas.... well... you're clearly wrong and your statement is massively incorrect.
As an fyi im one of the "inner-city oiks" so find your post a little offensive but mostly funny so wanted to poke holes at your extremely thin argument.
I didn’t say all city dwellers are oiks. I used the term to refer to selfish, badly behaved people with no common sense. People like the Rangers fans yesterday for example.
The majority of city dwellers could probably be relied on to show some restraint and take sensible precautions without needing extreme restrictions.
I referred to the inner city because there are more people there in a small space. In the country there are fewer people. Transmission is therefore lower. Hence lower infection rates. Lower risk. That’s hardly controversial.
Not all areas are the same, yet the rules are the same for everyone. They will therefore inevitably be overly restrictive on those in some areas.
If you live in a sparsely populated area with only one case in 1,000 square miles, the risk is not really very high is it?
It’s easy to poke holes in a brief comment on a forum, especially when you have preconceived hostility towards the poster. But you know as well as I do that even the most cautious of you on here would be even more cautious if you lived in Bombay.
An MP in Bolton this morning (Mark Logan), continually ignoring the question - did the Government leave it too late to put India on the 'Red' list. Arrrgghhh.
For all you lovely people here who are not bending the rules, are coming across as slightly over cautious (I'm proud to be one), please continue to do so, because its because of you and others that this country isn't suffering the trauma that India is atm.
Many of us on here have elderly parents and do not want to put them at risk.
I do not know one single person who doesn't want this mini nightmare to be over, but in life you have to put something 'in' (adhering to the rules) to get something 'out'(our freedoms and lives back to a new normal).
I for one (being one of those dreadful cautious people) will not be hugging, staying over at peoples houses. I will be wearing my mask, keeping a distance and washing hands properly. These small steps will protect my 81 yr old mother and my 78 yr old father in law.
These small steps will protect my 81 yr old mother and my 78 yr old father in law
No, they will probably/most likely protect them. You or they could just be unlucky.
Got my second jab tomorrow but I feel under the weather with a cold.
Should I still have it?
Hancock saying over 35s to be jabbed next week. stoked! Although it does mean I lose my £10 bet with the girlfriend.
Zippy - they will ask you questions about if you are well and make a decision. Realistically they are looking for Covid symptoms not a cold.
I for one (being one of those dreadful cautious people) will not be hugging, staying over at peoples houses. I will be wearing my mask, keeping a distance and washing hands properly. These small steps will protect my 81 yr old mother and my 78 yr old father in law.
This seems odd to me. Presumably both them and you have been vaccinated so are at very little risk from Covid? What will it take for you to go back to normal? My parents are in their 70's and when we meet things are basically back to normal as we present minimal risk to each other.
This seems odd to me. Presumably both them and you have been vaccinated so are at very little risk from Covid? What will it take for you to go back to normal? My parents are in their 70’s and when we meet things are basically back to normal as we present minimal risk to each other.
As I said several pages ago there's a level of mass trauma in people that has been perpetuated by the media over 12 months, some people literally won't be able to go back to normal without therapy. However I got shot down for suggesting it was a genuine issue that needed some real healthcare action to resolve.
Also, people can spread it to ANY other person. Caution helps to protect everyone.
Looks like local lockdowns are back on the table then. Did anyone really fall for the June 21st date being upheld?
Roadmap was a pointless waste of time.
Roadmap was a pointless waste of time.
They had to produce one to placate those who were whining about lockdown.
Roadmap was a pointless waste of time.
Are you saying the whole concept of a roadmap is a waste of time or just the milestones they had? Clearly they needed a roadmap / plan.
Presumably both them and you have been vaccinated so are at very little risk from Covid?
Maybe @Gribs is looking out for his neighbours who may not yet be vaccinated. I would not be happy if my actions caused the spread to my neighbours who haven't been vaccinated. (I have a 30's child in the house who doesn't have a date for a first jab yet, we need to be cautious until she has been fully vaccinated).
I accept that there may well be a need for counselling for a lot of us to get back to a more normal social interaction.
None of the vaccines are 100% effective at protecting someone from infection or disease.
Thankfully with the numbers of cases in most of the country this protection should put you at a low risk of being exposed and infected. Where disease is more common then the risk is clearly higher
