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There are reports of an anticipated slow down in supply arent there?
There are reports of an anticipated slow down in supply arent there?
Nicola Sturgeon warned of that last week.
MY dad was one of the first he thinks in the 65 and over category to get his injection today at G Live in Guildford
Me 'n the missus are 61 and got our jabs last week. No idea why and I haven't seen any reports on local TV about areas getting on to lower risk groups ahead of time. Maybe the local GP just had loads of Pfizer vials slowly warming up in their fridge?
How is your test and trace system doing..... because you're going to need it:
The starting point of the cluster has been traced back to Thursday February 4, when three family members (case one, two and three) staying in one room on the third floor at the Holiday Inn at Melbourne Airport tested positive to the virus.
They had returned from overseas and it's been established that during their stay at the Holiday Inn, one of them was using a nebuliser, a medical device used to convert liquid medicine to vapour.
The man using the nebuliser, a chronic asthma sufferer, has told Nine's The Age that he had received permission to use the device, but the head of COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria, Emma Cassar, has said there's no evidence the man told her team about the nebuliser.
It's believed the use of the device led to the spread of the virus within the hotel.
It wasn't until Sunday, February 7, that the first case of local transmission was identified, which was discovered through routine testing of hotel quarantine staff.
That person (case four) had eight social and household contacts, and one (case 13) tested positive a few days later.
Another person (case five) who tested positive on Monday, February 8, was also a resident on the third floor of the Holiday Inn, but they had been isolating and continue to do so.
A food and beverage worker at the hotel (case six) had one household member test positive (case 10), while another person staying the hotel (case eight) who tested positive to the virus had been isolating and there's no evidence the virus spread to their close contacts.
Victorian contact tracing chief Jeroen Weimar said these cases were still isolating and all their household and social contacts were remaining in isolation even after returning negative tests.
"All these branches of investigation have been closed off," he said.
Last Wednesday, dozens of guests were moved from the Holiday Inn to another quarantine hotel, and more than 130 staff were told to isolate at home.
The source of the cluster that contact tracers are trying to get ahead of at the moment stems from a food and beverage worker from the Holiday Inn and their family members.
Authorities said the worker (case seven) initially returned a negative result on a shift on Sunday, February 7, but tested positive on Wednesday, February 10, after undergoing another test on the Tuesday.
The initial test was re-examined and that re-examination showed it had been a weak positive result.
Her household began isolating on February 9, and her partner (case nine) and another family member (case 12) also tested positive.
All three attended a function at Sydney Road in Coburg on Saturday, February 6, which has resulted in more cases.
Work contacts of the woman's partner have been contacted and returned negative results, but authorities are still trying to reach all those who might have been exposed through the second family member's shift at the Brunetti cafe at Terminal 4 of Melbourne Airport on February 9.
Contact tracers have made contact with 1,600 people who passed through the terminal that day, and Mr Weimar said results from those people, many of whom are interstate, were expected to start coming through on Monday.
All staff at the cafe have tested negative, and all but one customer out of 34 have returned negative results.
Four more people have tested positive as a result of the Coburg function, including one person (case 14) whose direct contacts have all tested negative, and another (case 16) who made a trip to the Queen Victoria Market on the morning of Thursday February 11 via tram.
Mr Weimar described a three-year-old child who caught the virus at the function (case 15) as a "priority".
The child attended the Glenroy Central Kindy and Good Start Early Learning Centre in Glenroy over three days early last week, leading to more than 100 primary close contacts.
A dedicated testing centre has been set up and contact tracers are trying to narrow down those most at risk.
Finally, late on Sunday night a "weak positive" result was returned for the mother of the three-year-old (case 17) who works at three mental health units, with 150 primary close contacts across the three locations.
BTW does anyone know why the daily vaccination rate starts lowest on Monday and ramps up to max out at the weekend? (Graph courtesy of travellingtabby.com)
My dad's volunteering at a vaccination centre run by our local pharmacy, they only do Thursday-Saturday due to having to run the chemist the other days. If there's lots of centres run like that I suppose it could be why figures are higher towards end of week
Is there any consensus on European travel this summer?
I wonder whether it Will be a requirement to have a vaccination passport and a negative test to travel?
I think that's quite likely. I'd like to see my dad in Spain but will be booking a flight at the last minute.
Not seen anything, but yes i think you are right on both the vaccine passport and negative test.
Although the vaccine passport may not be required as the majority won't have had the 2 shots to qualify.
There is going to be a risk of countries landing on the red list and then quarantine though, you would assume anyway
It'll be a bit strange going anywhere abroad this summer given the level of vaccinations in the UK and a much lower level in most other countries.
The starting point of the cluster has been traced
Now multiply that one chain by hundreds, have them interlink and cross...Then you understand why contact tracing can't work with high prevalence. It's a nice example of what an infectious disease looks like. Throw in a super-spreading bus driver, for example, and a very mobile person and it's easy to see how hard containment is. As for the South Africa variant, I expect it is spreading just fine in the community. The UK variant had no issues. Differences in transmission and pathogenicity, whilst hyped by the media, are really rather modest. Protection afforded by either past infection or vaccination is likely to persist, perhaps at a slightly reduced level, but I am in no doubt that average morbidity will be falling.
UK holiday again this year. Negative test prior to foreign travel is a given. Vaccine passport notwithstanding. Reinfection will be a thing. Symptomatic or worse, serious COVID19, less likely. So a negative test before leaving.
Then you understand why contact tracing can’t work with high prevalence.
I think that is understood by all now. The government didn't seem to understand this last year though.
The government didn’t seem to understand this last year though.
They probably did, but recall the UK testing capacity was 20k/day at the time! The vaccine rollout shows what they can achieve. Ramping up of testing has been a success too, after a rocky start. Even the data flow is now looking impressive (and transparent). All of those successes came about thanks to private sector engagement.
The private sector is not an amorphous blob. It matters who the government engages with to get things done. But that wasn’t my point, it was that the government lent too heavily on test and trace in the autumn, rather than seeking to keep prevalence low enough with other measures for test and trace to be viable.
For all the talk of "running hot", we've been doing that for a year and it's already had a massive impact of on NHS staff
https://twitter.com/petermblackburn/status/1359957506013990918?s=19
Anecdotal I know. I’ve just had my 1st jab at the healthcare workers clinic at my local hospital. I overheard 2 nurses talking about leaving as they are exhausted. There were also 3 care workers near me chatting. They didn’t want the jab but were scared of their boss bullying them into getting it, but many of their colleagues wouldn’t.
Why would you not want the jab especially if you're a carer?
It’ll be a bit strange going anywhere abroad this summer given the level of vaccinations in the UK and a much lower level in most other countries.
Well don't holiday abroad then.
El Shal- Ive no idea, but the facts seem to back it up. The uptake in social care workers (all eligible ) is low.
@uponthedowns - it's a complex picture though, I wish it was a simple as my personal desire to eat cheese, drink wine and play in the mountains.
You have to consider the reception you'll get there, the possibility you could be bringing Covid to them, or even bringing a new variant home with you, the potential to have to quarantine when you return etc. etc.
@dantsw13 - it's very worrying. I wonder how much the misinformation on social media platforms is pushing people towards that decision?
Surely implementing vaccination passports before everyone has been vaccinated is fairly discriminatory? Young healthy folks will be unable to go abroad, whereas anyone over 50 will.
That said, if countries are going to do it, they may as well do it now.
My OH has tested positive for Covid (feels like a bad cold). I was negative and am symptomless. I was also Vaccinated a few weeks ago as I'm classed as vulnerable which is a pretty good job. Not sure where she caught it other than a brief trip to sainsburys/M&S.
The vaccine (AZ) gave me manflu over the weekend that I had it but pretty stoked on having it now. Before I wasn't sure it would work or make a difference cos of lockdown.
Hopefully everyone can get their vaccines soon. Not sure what happens next winter, probs need a booster or for it to be in a normal flu jab
It’ll be a bit strange going anywhere abroad this summer given the level of vaccinations in the UK and a much lower level in most other countries.
My dad's over 90, it may be my last chance to see him
In practise I can't see vaccination "passports" being much like passports. If anything along those lines happens I think it's more likely there will agreements between specific countries, part of which will require documented evidence of vaccination to travel between them. And possibly evidence of a vaccination with a subset of the vaccines available if one of the countries hasn't approved all of the vaccines used in the other.
In practise I can’t see vaccination “passports” being much like passports.
I'm assunming it will be just Stanley Johnson that gets one?
You have to consider the reception you’ll get there, the possibility you could be bringing Covid to them, or even bringing a new variant home with you, the potential to have to quarantine when you return etc. etc.
Exactly, all good reasons to give the foreign holiday a miss this year.
Vaccine passports are nothing new, look up yellow fever. You have to be able to prove your have had the vaccine for yellow fever if traveling from an endemic area into somewhere like India
Young healthy folks will be unable to go abroad,
Until a few months later
The implications of many nhs staff leaving is extremely worrying.
My best friend (in nhs) has been working for 2 years without a holiday (just the odd day off here and there), mostly 6 days a week now and often 7 days a week. Also coping with school aged children and a rotten home life. I'm worried she will just burn out. 2 colleagues in her team are leaving as soon as they are 55. Her job has been completely changed from OT (the out patients part of the hospital is now a morgue) to nursing elderly patients who've have operations and treatments. (She had to retrain). In her words mopping up S**t, sick and other bodily fluids.
Oh and she's over 50 and if you 'younguns' think that someone in her age group doesn't deserve a holiday more than you - well shame on you.
Anyway I'll leave before I say something I regret.
Why would you not want the jab especially if you’re a carer?
Our manager unexpectedly went down the vaccine conversation route in this mornings team dial in when checking on our general welfare amid lockdown.
Apparently staff in other teams have said they don't want the vaccine due to fears over safety, supposed lack of testing due to speed of development and the social media rumours over fertility.
I guess this is a big concern as our base office is Leicester, so it's been in permanent lockdown of some sort or another through last year, high number of BAME staff at greater risk.
I may have quoted a lot of TiReds thoughts on the subject. No one said they were against having it, one of my colleagues did her volunteer vaccination training last weekend, and one kicked off about being demoted from Band 6 as her medical condition was now lower priority.
Young healthy folks will be unable to go abroad,
Until a few months later
From Omnicalculator, there is currently no distinction between anyone between 18 and 49 (excluding health conditions and NHS)
"Given a vaccination rate of 3,056,416 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 04/05/2021 and 24/06/2021.
You should then get your second dose by between 27/07/2021 and 16/09/2021."
Second dose plus 3 weeks means this population wont be getting their passport until October.
As this is the age people will have kids under 18, October half term is going to be a money gouging blowout!
Oh, and boomer is a generally accepted definition of someone "...born between 1946 and 1964. They're currently between 57-75 years old" or thereabouts, not an insult.
Sincerely, a millenial. (born between 1981 and 1996)
Oh and she’s over 50 and if you ‘younguns’ think that someone in her age group doesn’t deserve a holiday more than you – well shame on you.
No, her age doesnt mean she deserves a holiday more than me.
Although some sort of preferential treatment as a reward for the NHS staff who have gone through hell this last year I would be wholeheartedly behind, irrespective of age.
Vaccine passports are nothing new, look up yellow fever. You have to be able to prove your have had the vaccine for yellow fever if traveling from an endemic area into somewhere like India
Pretty sure there's only one yellow fever vaccine, which provides long lasting protection and is close to 100% effective. So quite a different situation to the Covid vaccines.
An additional 1.7million to shielding!
Oh and she’s over 50 and if you ‘younguns’ think that someone in her age group doesn’t deserve a holiday more than you – well shame on you.
Anyway I’ll leave before I say something I regret.
Why would someone over 50 be any more deserving of a holiday? Genuine question?
your first dose of vaccine between 04/05/2021 and 24/06/2021.
You are assuming the rollout of first vaccine will continue at current rate to hit that target.
In reality to vaccinate 3m a week beyond the first 9 groups requires a doubling of capacity due to second jabs also being required
The 1st dose vaccination numbers for 14&15th are 19% lower than the same days last week.
Potentially they are starting to stockpile so they have sufficient doses for those requiring 2nd doses after the initial 12 week period.
It was 99% of doses were being to first jabs, but that will need to change to a 50/50 split unless supply increases dramatically. The Moderna vaccine supplies arent due until April so expect the flow of new people being vaccinated to slow down.
Second dose plus 3 weeks means this population wont be getting their passport until October.
So a few months later.
Im in that age bracket, bearing in mind the number of deaths involved so far. I’m ok with waiting for a vaccine passport.
Why would someone over 50 be any more deserving of a holiday? Genuine question?
You are misunderstanding what she is saying, I think.
She means: As an NHS worker she deserves a holiday. Why should the fact that she is over 50 mean that she doesn't deserve it.
Well, got my jab next booked for Monday. All done via a link in a text message. Booked it at the same place as my mum had hers in the hope they are doing the Pfizer there still due to having the refrigeration facilities they have. I'll still be happy to have the AZ one though!
Not sure why I've got it so fast? I'm only 52, a carer but not in a care home situation.
I do qualify for the flu jab too in the past due to neurosurgery I've had but no idea how that means I qualify for the flu jab, let alone the Covid vaccine?
Edit, reading fail
^^ Yeah, mum's had the first about 5 weeks back.
If nothing else it'll mean I'll be able to hold my partners hand on our Sunday walk at some point in the future.
Not sure why I’ve got it so fast? I’m only 52, a carer but not in a care home situation.
Carers are in cohort 6
^^ I just assumed carers (as in care homes etc) were prioritised rather than those in the informal role.
Nope.. you have said along you look after your old dear, doesn't need to be in a care home setting. That defo counts as a carer for group 6 criteria.