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Anyone who goes out and socialises without good cause should be made to carry a card stating that if they do end up with virus they will be the very last in line for medical care and especially a ventilator.
The pig ignorance of some people is astounding. Don't people like bikebouy realise that by getting infected you are putting others at risk. Or are you just far to selfish to care. Genuine question because I'm intrigued by at people would think it's ok to act that way?
Took the dogs out to one of our regular 'quiet' spots in the country - car park was rammed with pensioners, had to go one to somewhere else. Lots of them driving around too - you can barely see their heads above the steering wheel.
Whether that is true or not, I do not know,
Don't post it then, please.
Dove biker - I’m doing similar - trying to find a quiet dog walking spot. Mine get a good run in the garden every day too.
I don't think this has been posted. 100% testing in small Venetian town stopped it spreading straight away:
Clearly this can't be replicated nationwide but surely key workers need testing pronto.
Anyone who goes out and socialises without good cause should be made to carry a card stating that if they do end up with virus they will be the very last in line for medical care and especially a ventilator.
The pig ignorance of some people is astounding. Don’t people like bikebouy realise that by getting infected you are putting others at risk. Or are you just far to selfish to care. Genuine question because I’m intrigued by at people would think it’s ok to act that way?
Well said. I'm just as mystified as you.
Clearly this can’t be replicated nationwide
South Korea did. Every case followed up and every contact tested if I've uderstood correctly. All contacts tracked down by their phone geolocalisation.
Belgium has been in lockdown for a week now and cases still rose 30% yesterday, probably because it took a few days for people to understand that this shit is real. Hopefully it will start to go down soon but there is zero reason to put anyone else at risk. They may then infect someone else and it may get back to someone you care about
slowpuncheur
Yes, I posted it yesterday I think, but certainly bears repeating, it shows that accurately identifying cases is just the first and most necessary step to properly slowing it right down - until a better solution, mass vaccination or cure, comes along. It is what the WHO are shouting about.
The 10 asypmtomatic case for every 1 symptomatic part is not good news, it means most carriers do not even know, for all I know I could be spreading it around.
Sturgeon sounds like a sensible person compared to ****waffle Boris, same message but she is repeating it clearly and effectively.
Sky are reporting gov advisors are saying social distancing is going to be in place for most of a year.
South Korea did
That's South Korea though. I welcome your optimism but even if our Gov made it mandatory (they won't) to take a test here, some would ignore it. See latest news about some guy on the Isle of Man ignoring his 14 quarantine and getting arrested. SK used mobile tech for good. We've got people on FB doing sad face selfies to empty shelves. I honestly despair.
Monkeyfinger. Sorry I missed it. Why hasn't Bojo mentioned (in words on one syllable) the science and the level of asympotomatic transmission? Maybe if more people realised the penny might drop.
Sturgeon sounds like a sensible person compared to **** Boris, same message but she is repeating it clearly and effectively.
Agreed, but I, apparently, am biased.
She's just essentially said " I don't have the power, yet, to compel you to do what you're told, but, FFS do what you're told."
Boris needs to get the same message out so that people do what they're asked before does get the power to compel them, because then we'd really be in trouble.
Boris with emergency powers is way more frightening than any virus.
Sky are reporting gov advisors are saying social distancing is going to be in place for most of a year.
I don't doubt it, but it's another depressing example of information coming from the wrong channels which will create rumour, panic and as we've seen on here outright denial. I firmly believe now that this is happening because Boris is too much of a coward to stand up in front of the country and deliver bad news.
Jimmy Savile would seem sensible next to Boris.
Hoping that the message is starting to sink in. In the office today, last week before we start a rota'd WFH system (we can't be trusted to WFH for 5 days a week apparently), yesterday there was talk of going to the pub at lunchtime. I was fully prepared to have the argument that it would be irresponsible to do so, but there was actual general agreement that it would be wrong to do so.
Hopefully if the message keeps getting drummed in to people, they might listen.
VisitArran have just put out a statement saying they are discouraging people to go over on non-essential visits. Applauds.
Sky are reporting gov advisors are saying social distancing is going to be in place for most of a year.
I can't see it working properly for that long unless you can keep everyone shit scared. Eventually people will just go back to their old ways.
kerley
Unfortunately loads of people are as stupid as bikebouy. As least the people that have been paying attention will be taking the necessary steps so will still even out the peak a bit and allow things to catch up with it and deal with it as it spreads at a slower rate.
As PM, I would have made it clearer.
– We haven’t got the resources to deal with a lot of people getting this virus in a short time period so are instructing social distancing, not going out unnecessarily, closing schools etc,.
If you ignore that and the virus spreads at too fast a rate then you won’t be treated in hospital as we don’t currently have the capacity.
Drac
That was the message made though.
Which specific message are you referring to. There have been so many, the only common part being they are unclear and inconsistent.
unless you can keep everyone shit scared
Seeing the neighbours carried out in a box may do the trick.
Belgium has been in lockdown for a week now and cases still rose 30% yesterday, probably because it took a few days for people to understand that this shit is real.
No it's because symptoms take 3-5 days then for symptoms to death even longer.
Anyone who goes out and socialises without good cause should be made to carry a card stating that if they do end up with virus they will be the very last in line for medical care and especially a ventilator.
Unfortunately being anywhere in that queue apart from the very front is the same - you won't get treated, so the selfish bellends will be in the same boat as the rest of us.
Which specific message are you referring to. There have been so many, the only common part being they are unclear and inconsistent.
Well I can’t the exact date and time but it was one the many messages about social distancing to eases the curve, so the nhs can be prepared. It’s the message repeated on here too but drowned out amongst the dribble.
I’ve just found out another friend has lost their job today. Easily double figures of friends I know now have lost their job.
It's the human cost that gets me.
In a perverse way lots of people have caught virus - there and different symptoms and they can get it again.
Stating the bleeding obvious a lot of people are going to be dealing with multiple major life events simultaneously in an environment with very little release of pressure.
Whilst it's useful to vent or get exasperated by the rights and wrongs of different approaches we only have one job. Not send virus packing or some other jingoistic nonsense - we have to protect as many people as possible.
I'm hearing some pretty scary stuff from frontline medical staff both here and in Germany. I don't want to put the details on here because I'm not sure if would do more harm than good (and I might get accused of scaremongering by idiots like bikebouy, always thought he was a bit arrogant but generally alright. Wrong!) but I will say that if you're between 50 and 60 and generally in good health please don't assume if you get it you'll be alright. Some of it is just rumour at the moment but some is fact and I know this because it's coming from very close relatives. Take care of yourselves folks and FFS, DO THE BASICS!
Seeing the neighbours carried out in a box may do the trick.
That's the point. Unless you know somebody who dies of it, or see pictures of bodies piled up in the morgues, its going to loose it sense of urgency. Especially if you've also just lost your livelihood and you're 25 years old.
If all the downsides that directly affect you are a result of social distancing, not a result of the virus itself, you'll start to wonder why all the fuss. That's just what people are like.
Imperial College Model
Everyone who understands a bit of maths should read the report that changed the government's mind and realise just how serious this is...
Why hasn’t Bojo mentioned (in words on one syllable) the science and the level of asympotomatic transmission?
R4 covered this the other day. The Imperial College guy who wrote the report (and is suspected of having it) said there's no strong evidence either way but he thought it would be far less transmissible in the asymptomatic phase. (Which makes sense - if you're not coughing the stuff on your hands and elsewhere it isn't being spread so widely.)
The 1-10 asymptomatic figure from the Italian town conflicts with the 50-50 figure from the cruise ship so we don't know what percentage of people have this without showing symptoms.
Personally, I think the more people who've had it without knowing it the better. If it turned out 60 million people had had it without showing symptoms we could all stop buying bog roll and get back to normal life! (I know other people disgree with that POV!)
but I will say that if you’re between 50 and 60 and generally in good health please don’t assume if you get it you’ll be alright
Being in that age and also an at risk group all I can hope is this gets published, as OH continues to say "I'll be fine - if you are worried move out" and pops off to the gym!
Update:
Old lady next door but two, babysitting Parents kids who are off school because of a cold.
Two vulnerable groups in one household, one will go home tonight.
#selfisolationaintworking
The Imperial College guy who wrote the report (and is suspected of having it) said there’s no strong evidence either way but he thought it would be far less transmissible in the asymptomatic phase. (Which makes sense – if you’re not coughing the stuff on your hands and elsewhere it isn’t being spread so widely.)
That bloke ... well whoever you mean on R4 ..and whichever report you're referring to the guy who was the main author of Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID19 mortality and healthcare demand wrote:
Neil M Ferguson
We predict that school and university closure will have an impact on the epidemic, under the assumption that children do transmit as much as adults, even if they rarely experience severe disease
Two vulnerable groups
Which 2 vulnerable groups are those?
Seriously man, stop spouting absolute pish on here, you don't know even the very basics.
Why not actually read up and educate yourself rather than coming on here saying everyone is overreacting.
Your ignorance is the reason more people will die from this virus than need to. Think about that for a minute..
The Imperial College guy who wrote the report (and is suspected of having it) said there’s no strong evidence either way but he thought it would be far less transmissible in the asymptomatic phase. (Which makes sense – if you’re not coughing the stuff on your hands and elsewhere it isn’t being spread so widely.)
That bloke … well whoever you mean on R4 ..and whichever report you’re referring to the guy who was the main author of Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID19 mortality and healthcare demand wrote:
Neil M Ferguson
We predict that school and university closure will have an impact on the epidemic, under the assumption that children do transmit as much as adults, even if they rarely experience severe disease
So?
Weatherspoons open for business!
The 10 asypmtomatic case for every 1 symptomatic part is not good news, it means most carriers do not even know, for all I know I could be spreading it around.
in a way is it not good news? ie the overall mortality rate is a lot less than some of the headline figures.
I wonder if his is one of the few insurance policies that does cover him in the event of forced closure by the govt and he's basically taunting them into shutting him down
The 1-10 asymptomatic figure from the Italian town conflicts with the 50-50 figure
What was the distribution of ages in those two groups? Seems entirely plausible to me that, if the virus has a worse effect on the older folk, a cruise would have lots of people more likely to show symptoms than the general population.
in a way is it not good news?
Harder to control the spread. Which could mean more deaths not fewer.
oldagedpredator
SubscriberHe’s done things on a couple of level here by shifting the name from C-19 to his new pet name. The question is has he done it for xenophobic reasons or has he done it to compartmentalise. All the no it’s rubbish being C-19 but all the very serious always knew this was a pandemic being attached to the pet name. Suddenly he’s blame free in his head and the world kicks off in an awful way.
He's managed to divert criticism of his piss poor response to the crisis, which people do care about, into criticism of his casual racism, which most people care less about.
Also by making it about "overseas" he makes the one thing he did do, closing borders, look like it was important decisive action, rather than just a sideshow.
This is the one thing in the world he's good at 🙁
I'm no fan of Sturgeon or the SNP but she is communicating way better than Boris.
Seems entirely plausible to me that, if the virus has a worse effect on the older folk, a cruise would have lots of people more likely to show symptoms than the general population.
Yup, hard to think of a reason why that wouldn't be the case, in which case the Italian Town figure is likely to be more typical of the Uk in general.
In which case it's Miller time, it's already ripping through the Uk population and most of us aren't even aware we've had it.
Plus we can't detect people who've had it so that 1-10 excludes people in the area who had already had it. So even more people have had it without knowing it.
Or maybe both 'samples' are totally unrepresentative, who knows.
Just been to my local pharmacy to collect some prescription meds. The queue was quite long, nobody was giving others space, all age groups in the queue, muppets just walking in demanding to know why there was a 1 customer at the till rule, gobbing off etc. etc. Poor staff.
We're in this for the long haul as people can't follow simple rules at the start, there's no way they'll be compliant after a few weeks.
I know Ed and others already mentioned this, but…
https://twitter.com/isabelhardman/status/1240998628052938756?s=21
Perfect behaviour at our chemist. I’m in the calm well spaced out well mannered queue outside right now.
Lots of them driving around too – you can barely see their heads above the steering wheel.
I've noticed the same. In parks etc moving in packs. It's like they're out to prove something.
The local electrical store has sold out of freezers and according to the Mrs, Waitrose has been shipped bare - ****wittery at its finest!
cycled to work tues & weds via a popular, mixed use path through the woods. Busiest I've ever seen it at this time of year, mainly older people (in groups) out for walks, both with and without dogs. "Have they got something to prove?" was my first thought tbhI’ve noticed the same. In parks etc moving in packs. It’s like they’re out to prove something.
The advice is you can go for a walk, so that is what they are all doing. My mum was planning the same, except not car sharing. She also thought it would be a good idea to have a street party 🤦♂️. She and my dad have gone to Devon to collect a new campervan. Seriously they havent a clue, how are others getting on with their older folk??
never really had bikerbouy down as one of the dicks previously
Really?
No issues with oldies getting out house for a walk tbh. In fact I'm meeting my mum and dad tomorrow for a stroll. However we will be staying 1m apart, not stopping to chat to others, popping into shops etc. Ultimately you can't expect someone with maybe only 5 years of their lives left, to spend the next 18 month's cooked up inside. If you do people will say screw this, because you have to have some semblance of living.
Unfortunately it's the nuggets who can't make even basic sacrifices who will lead us to a shut down.
Also, I wonder if the numbers are skewed by
Smaller airborne particles in hospital infecting deep in the lungs and very bad pneumonia vs droplet infection in upper respiratory tract in other public places, meaning those in hospitals are doomed basically.
Probably bin dun, but.....
Cock.....
Womble.
My Dad was complaining earlier that he should have been at a friend's funeral today. I told him to stay indoors and hang on for a few weeks and he'll likely have quite a few more to choose from. He saw the funny side, ish. He's 84 and in chronic heart failure (that he now has next to no chance of having the surgery he was down for) amongst a raft of other things so I can't tell him what to do (I am trying though...), he was a doctor and we both know one way or the other he's highly unlikely to come out the other side of this.
On the bright side my 84 year old Italian neighbour refuses to change and has been trundling off to the shops every day despite her daughter, us, other neighbours all offering to do it for her. She's been a right pain in the arse for the last 10 years so at least we might get some new neighbours out of it. Every cloud, eh?
Last day of school. Friendly lollipop man is hugging all the kids as it is the last he'll see of them for some time. It really isn't sinking in is it.
What’s the f***** point? These idiots think they’re standing up to the enemy. Like the suicide squad in the Life of Brian.
https://twitter.com/paraicobrien/status/1240928612980871168?s=21
A friend of ours who is living in Ealing Broadway says she visited five supermarkets yesterday evening and couldn’t find any fresh meat and only very very low stocks of fresh veg.
What’s the f***** point? These idiots think they’re standing up to the enemy. Like the suicide squad in the Life of Brian.
Reckon they will be forced to isolate at the bangy end of a gun pretty soon. Macron found the same in France - the adults were not taking part in social distancing properly.
Spare a thought for people in the slums of the world who cannot do social distancing so easily but would like to. Wish we could swap our entitled idiots for them.
France appears to have done the same as here (although I would kill to be able to 'jog up to 1km from home' right now) - you can still use a bike to make essential journeys, ie commute to work, buy supplies or medication, visit people requiring care. Even our city council tweeted that all cycling is banned, but after demanding clarification, they conceded it is not. Our urban bike scheme is still running, albeit with a skeleton maintenance staff.
https://twitter.com/Sports_gouv/status/1240679426335166471?s=20
Seems odd - if the motive is to limit infection, is it not more effective to ban commuting by train or bus?
If it is to limit unnecessary hospitalisations, is it not more effective to ban driving or reduce speed limits?
But I appreciate you have to go in hard - it's in people's nature to take the piss, and you'd just get MAMILs doing 100km loops to get to work with their employer's permission letter safely in their jersey pocket.
A friend of ours who is living in Ealing Broadway says she visited five supermarkets yesterday evening and couldn’t find any fresh meat and only very very low stocks of fresh veg.
it's why during WWII rationing was not at the point of sale but on a household basis. the shit really does rise to the top in this country.
Austria has been on lockdown since Monday, overall being respected, only allowed out the house for shopping and short walks. The lockdown has just been extended until Easter Monday.
The infection rate instead of doubling every 2-3 days has slowed to every 4-6 days. While lockdown is hard it does at least seem to be working currently.
I am more concerned about family back in Scotland than myself here. Seems a lot of people dont really realise how serious it is. Maybe we get more Italian reports here but if some people are struggling to understand the scale of it maybe point them in the direction of North Italy where the Doctors are in the grim situation of choosing who gets incubated and who gets left to fend for themselves.
Bin Dun?
https://twitter.com/ScaryHighlander/status/1240700402783244288
Someone is competing hard for the Tim Martin arsehole award
Aye, done a few pages back.
They've just succeeded in destroying their own business, hopefully.
My house is right on the route between lots of older people (60+) and the village centre where the paper shop, chemist, post office, pub, co-op, etc is.
It's a constant stream of them heading to a fro.
They really aren't getting it. Maybe when there are bodybags piled up outside hospitals? Probably not.
Aye, done a few pages back.
They’ve just succeeded in destroying their own business, hopefully.
Yeah and it would be thoroughly deserved. I was up staying the lodges in Coylumbridge a few weeks ago, they are still Hilton I hadn't realised the hotel had changed hands, it used to be lovely.
Was chatting with a couple of the locals and they said the place has went seriously downhill since it changed hands.
I hope someone is keeping a Coronavirus shit list. These guys will certainly be on it.
Interesting article on the “Blitz spirit “. Seems like in reality it was more loose bowels than stiff upper lip.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/19/myth-blitz-spirit-model-coronavirus
I think the oldies that look like they're not 'getting it', do get it perfectly well, they're just choosing to carry on anyway, and will take the consequences.
they’re just choosing to carry on anyway, and will take the consequences.
Too bad that we will also be taking the consequences 🙂
dannyh
SubscriberProbably bin dun, but…..
Cock…..
Womble.
He is... But it's ineffectual "leadership" that allows it/encourages it. Johnston was asked to condemn Tim Martin's comments and refused...
I think part of it is that there's so little food anywhere. Stockpiling has happened so the shelves are bare. This has panicked everyone else into going shopping because they may run out or because they also want to stockpile. This means everyone is at the shops but there's not a lot to buy so everyone goes back the next day and the next and the next....
We've taken ourselves into a situation where you have to be socially distant to stop the spread of it but you have to be in a massive queue at the shops every day.
People are stupid.
used to visit northwich park hospital quite a lot (work related)
looks like they having the same issues as northern italian hospitals
Agreed, the worst thing is that there is no shortages at all. The supermarkets just haven't been able to increase supply to the same level as demand.
In Bury there is meat, long-life milk, eggs back on the shelves, which were all gone mid-week. No bog roll to be seen though!
Matt
Update:
Roadworks still ongoing on the M27, where groups of workers huddled together certainly are not keeping safe distance from anyone. And continuing to work as normal.
Bunches of kids coming out of school in groups playing and tagging each other. Again, not keeping safe distance from each other.
What ever message you lot have been reading or trying to force on others simply isn't working because the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures we've seen this Govt push on it's populace.
This experiment in social engineering isn't working.
What is working is people are realising WFH is a viable option, the internet still functions and the capacity is there. That some people act responsible enough to know when we see the panic and outrage that some of you possess that we simply laugh at you.
#nottrollingjustsayingitasitis
The Coylumbridge story was on R4 this morning. In normal times that level of exposure would be highly embarrassing, but I reckon it will just get lost in all the noise. A coronavirus shit list should be kept.
The missus was in town earlier and guess what.....yep Spoons was absolutely rammed with students (awesome work as they'll soon go back home and take it with them) and your usual pillocks. These buggers are the ones who'll get us fully locked down.
All I really want is to be able to go out for family (well, household) walks with the kids (keeping distance from others we may meet) and ride my bike on my tod when I can grab the chance. None of that is even an amber risk on the WHO guidance yet the stupid bastards (again) are going to **** up the few things that we might be allowed to do but for their bellendery.
****, ****, ****, ****. Aaaaaaargh!
never really had bikerbouy down as one of the dicks previously
Really?
Well the sentiment is taken on board and ignored.
You lot need to log out and go get some fresh air.
This experiment in social engineering isn’t working.
Please go back to reading Alex Jones/infowars.
we simply laugh at you
That’s fine. If I lose a family member, can I come and take you out?
#friendlyhashtagmeansnothing
how are others getting on with their older folk??
My mum and her other half have come round to the idea now. The club they are part of has shut its clubhouse, they’ve not gone to a funeral today and decided to cancel her choir committee meeting this week.
It did take her a bit longer to be convinced about cancelling the cleaner she’d just booked though.
The old folk around here seem to be enjoying walks in the sun around the streets and on the beach, mostly just in couples.
The local garden centre café was rammed with them yesterday, including car fills arriving together.
What ever message you lot have been reading or trying to force on others simply isn’t working because the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures we’ve seen this Govt push on it’s populace.
Errrrr, I can't force anyone to do anything, the facts do warrant such measures and the government isn't pushing anything much on its populace which is the heart of the problem and why hospitals will saturate; Northwich Park ran out of space last night and within a few days it'll be like Italy in London hospitals.
Your head is in the sand but we can all see the part of you that sticking in the air, Bikebouy.
Seems odd – if the motive is to limit infection, is it not more effective to ban commuting by train or bus?
If it is to limit unnecessary hospitalisations, is it not more effective to ban driving or reduce speed limits?But I appreciate you have to go in hard – it’s in people’s nature to take the piss, and you’d just get MAMILs doing 100km loops to get to work with their employer’s permission letter safely in their jersey pocket.
Unless I missed it (and I mean that genuinely) then airborne outside is a very low risk.
So long as you don't touch someone or cycle through a load of airborne spittle you breath in everything I read seems to indicate its sticking fingers in mouth/nose eyes ... unless someone coughs right on you.
That's not saying airborne isn't a vector... but my understanding was the overwhelming major vector for transmission is touch. This is all non-UK (WHO etc.) I'm reading.
This of course flies in the face of some policies that seem determined to necessitate more frequent trips to the supermarket than necessary...
That was the assumption, up to very recently … but we’re learning fast … the fresh French actions are based on cases in Italy and Spain suggesting beaches and cycling being linked to transmission, I believe.
Bunches of kids coming out of school in groups playing and tagging each other. Again, not keeping safe distance from each other.
What ever message you lot have been reading or trying to force on others simply isn’t working because the facts as we see them do not warrant such measures we’ve seen this Govt push on it’s populace.
You keep coming out with this stuff & I don't really understand what it is you think you are seeing or trying to prove: Personally I take it that you are witnessing people who seem ignorant of the seriousness of the situation potentially transmitting a dangerous desease. What exactly are you expecting from a virus which is capable of asymptomatic transmission and an incubation period of 5 days. People touching each other and immediately keeling over with viral pneumonia, some sort of flashing laser display as the virus passes from one person to the next?
If you are trying to tell us that government interventions have failed and we need to move on to mandatory restrictions then you are succeeding very well.