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From the Unherd piece:
They are all between 60 and 64 years old, none of them with significant comorbidities
Whilst those dying tend to have comorbidities, they account for only 10% of all ICU admissions. the fact often overlooked is that clinical medicine is doing such a good job of keeping COVID patients alive. They are now spending longer in hospital than they were last April. The increase in survival has been very impressive (25% reduction in mortality rate).
headteacher of a large primary i know had nearly half her pupils in by the end of the first lockdown (~300)
God, as if lockdown wasn't bad enough I see they're bringing back the Clap for Carers rubbish on Thursday nights. 🙄
Still, I suppose it might distract attention away from the utter ineptitude of the Government for a bit.
headteacher of a large primary i know had nearly half her pupils in by the end of the first lockdown (~300)
Conversely, my daughter has gone from a class of 35 to a class of 6.
From the usual chaos at the school gates in the morning, today I saw about 10 kids and their parents.
God, as if lockdown wasn’t bad enough I see they’re bringing back the Clap for Carers rubbish on Thursday nights. 🙄
I'd rather a weekly Yell at the Government on a Thursday night where we collectively go outside and shout at them about how shit they are.
Daddy why are we stood on the driveway singing 'you're shit and you know you are' and chanting tory scum! ?
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All the info I’ve seen suggests we are turning a corner in Kent/Sussex.
sadly it's a corner in the wrong direction for West Sussex. We were right at the bottom of the infection tables with Worthing the actual lowest number in mainland UK. Just before Christmas there were under 20 people in hospital with Covid. Today there are 170. 😔
It must have been the Christmas shopping spree because the place is a ghost town at the moment.
That’s exactly what happened across the border. Rother was lowest in the country for 6 months until December, then BOOM!
is there a possibility that because you were so good previously there are more people to infect still, hence the spike. Others have had lower rates but for much longer so the area under the curve is still broadly equal, but one was a dripping tap and the other a burst pipe.
All the info I’ve seen suggests we are turning a corner in Kent/Sussex.
Where do you see that everything is still going up
https://www.kent.gov.uk/social-care-and-health/health/protect-kent-and-medway/cases-in-kent
God, as if lockdown wasn’t bad enough I see they’re bringing back the Clap for Carers rubbish on Thursday nights
I'm whole heartedly behind carers and key workers, but I can't bring myself to go along with the Tory clapping charade again.
Dumfries & Galloway has gone from bottom of the covid infections table to 2nd from top, not really surprising considering the number of holiday home dicks in the area over the xmas period strolling around the town in family groups, all 9 of the holiday homes in my mothers street were full over the xmas/new year period and the police did **** all
That’s exactly what happened across the border. Rother was lowest in the country for 6 months until December, then BOOM!
That was north kent until November. Then it took off. Aldo very low rates in Sept and start of oct
You probably just getting the new one
Dumfries & Galloway has gone from bottom of the covid infections table to 2nd from top
Borders is 3rd, suppose a bit of hindsight now, but I suppose having tier 1 restrictions would attract those from the North of England.
Only Inverclyde has worse numbers, probably down to being the most deprived authority in Scotland.
Worthing the actual lowest number in mainland UK
You sure about that? Been to Worthing once, it was basically an open air nursing home, probably all shielding right enough.
Conversely, my daughter has gone from a class of 35 to a class of 6.
From the usual chaos at the school gates in the morning, today I saw about 10 kids and their parents.
i just asked. ~150.
A good back to basics article… to remind people why the government has no choice but to lockdown now… if you can call it a choice… and if you can call it a lockdown…
Not a good landmark…
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1346852122285977600?s=21
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1346852662470389762?s=21
You sure about that? Been to Worthing once, it was basically an open air nursing home, probably all shielding right enough.
I am sure, yes, we're in a fortunate position. Geographically isolated by the sea and the downs, minimal manufacturing, lots of care homes but they are not where the cases are currently. Not much tourism as the beach isn't worth travelling for, not a rail hub.
I think one of the biggest factors was the weather. It was really mild, people were happy to be outdoors where infection rates are much lower.
sadly I think complacency set in, it really did get busy at Christmas in town. We managed to bustle through 'eat out to help out' without any increase.
Is there an argument that our existence as it is with our current eating, working and educational needs is just incompatible with stopping the spread of the more easily transmitted mutation?
It's just phenomenal the rate of increase at the moment, where is the transmission happening?
where is the transmission happening?
Dont know, we should set up a track and trace system to find out!!
Dont know, we should set up a (world beating) track and trace system to find out!!
FTFY
MrsMC is a frontline social worker - been told that face to face visits must continue, with full PPE if necessary (not clear on where some PPE will come from)
Suspicion is that a case has gone tragically wrong somewhere after a social worker kept being fobbed off by parents using Covid as an excuse.
Suspicion is that a case has gone tragically wrong somewhere after a social worker kept being fobbed off by parents using Covid as an excuse.
Grim, but could well be true
where is the transmission happening?
Looks like the data is for England only but it looks like it was originally driven by the 15-24 year olds back in October:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=England
(under "Cases by specimen date age demographics")
Lockdown 2 had a small benefit, but its high across most age bands now..
where is the transmission happening?
Secondary schools then onto family members in the home. Look at the age distribution in the forthcoming ONS survey and spot the decline as schools closed, then parent age infections fell.
The survey will be updated presently - this is Christmas Eve, update on Friday
Secondary schools then onto family members in the home
That's what happened to us. My suggestion to cull secondary age children didn't go down well.
Horrendous depiction of what happens to Covid patients without ICU
Shit, that is horrendous
I see there is another thread devoted to it, but i'm with Rowdy Yates Block...
Me Ma & Pa had their 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine today.
House party at theirs next Wednesday!
I'm chalking that up as a win, and cannot really say how much it means to me. They are good people, and they've got a lot more to give.
Me Ma & Pa had their 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine today.
Great news. Reduces their risk at least. I totally get how relieved you are feeling.
My parents still waiting, but at least 4 months till their second dose is fully effective, which is sobering. Feels a long time away.
I’m chalking that up as a win
Absolutely. Very pleased for you and your family.
A question for all the stwers here who have elderly parents, how did they get to their vaccination appointment?
Also if you took an elderly person did you/they have to fill in a form (as a permission) during the pandemic?
Any other info about taking the person safely if they or you have been sheilding would be welcome. Thanks.
Close work colleague and his wife have tested positive, both with fairly strong symptoms but at home at the moment. Also had two friends from home have it over the Christmas holidays, one is still struggling with it feeling exhausted every day.
A question for all the stwers here who have elderly parents, how did they get to their vaccination appointment?
MrsP's mum got a phone call, think my dad was via SMS - guess it depends on the local health provider. MrsP is taking her mum in today so can let you know any details on forms etc later. My mum took my dad and waited in the car while he got jabbed, they initially thought he was on his own so asked him to wait for a while post jab but when they realised he was being collected he was on his way.
something a Tory is saying
YouTube wanted me to sit through a Farage advert to watch what an "Anti-lockdown Tory" has to say... I didn't bother.
Both my elderly relatives are independently mobile and are booked in for the next few days. Good to know it's being rolled out across the country albeit far too slow. We were promised 10 million doses by the end of last year!
When they get the call my father and his new wife will travel independently. That's assuming that they remain in the country and don't get a big fine for trying to return to France for her birthday later this month.
I think that she believes that they are French residents but we were never told that they had applied for residency. We usually hear this sort of one-up things as everything is a competition and smug is the usual modus operandi.
@joepud it would be more convincing if he hadn't voted against free school meals earlier in the session or Social Care and Health inequalities proposals in the previous session. Just another Covidiot Freedom junkie doing his paymasters bidding not ensuring his constituency poorer residents get the best from his public "service".
Just a quick note to say can people please be patient with those at the coal face trying to delivery this. I'm sure STW'ers are. Appreciate that if people are vulnerable, have struggling businesses, elderly relatives it gets very emotional and with NHS and government logistics involved frustrating though.
My sister (a GP) told me last night that with 6 members of practice staff off with covid currently the remaining stretched receptionists and GPs are getting abuse from people asking why they haven't been scheduled yet. Just not on.
YouTube wanted me to sit through a Farage advert to watch what an “Anti-lockdown Tory” has to say… I didn’t bother.
I don't agree with the anti lockdown message i understand the need for it, but his comments on the impact of those less privileged then himself or myself are valid.
@joepud it would be more convincing if he hadn’t voted against free school meals earlier in the session or Social Care and Health inequalities proposals in the previous session. Just another Covidiot Freedom junkie doing his paymasters bidding not ensuring his constituency poorer residents get the best from his public “service”.
Agree in the past he has done/said some rather stupid things, but I was just shocked to hear a Tory talking about mental health and that I actually agreed with him on those few points.
Couple of questions:
I've seen a few online articles saying more younger people this time in hopsital: is this just beacuse there are more in general so necessarily will be more or has the new variant meant that younger people are being affected as badly as old people?
Secondly, whats the science now on infection from surfaces? i recall in the summer some things about it not really being a route and airbourne bein overwhelmingly the main problem. We are still being super cautious and wiping everthing down with an antibac wipe after post/shopping (appreciate may not be anti-viral but at least should physcially remove stuff) and if possible not using till the next day. No idea if this is overkill or not!
Thanks as always for all the insights on this thread.
How can you argue against things like this?
https://twitter.com/Thomas_Binder/status/1288426973614821377
I’ve seen a few online articles saying more younger people this time in hopsital: is this just beacuse there are more in general so necessarily will be more or has the new variant meant that younger people are being affected as badly as old people?
The data is a few weeks old, but its covered off in section 6:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19weeklyinsights/latesthealthindicatorsinengland18december2020
Hospital admissions increased among all groups aged 45 years and over in the week ending 13 December. Hospital admission rates increased the most among people aged 85 years and over, rising from 146.8 to 172.9 per 100,000 people. Rates have been the highest in this age group throughout the pandemic. Their hospital admission rate is almost 50 times higher than for those aged between 15 and 44 years. The hospital admission rate is lowest among children aged between 5 and 14 years, at 0.6 per 100,000 people.
So, the increase in younger people in hospital is just a factor of there being more people in hospital in total.
Lots of interesting stats:
Figure 7 shows that infections are mainly in the school age groups, which backs up TiReD's statement of schools being one of the main vectors for transmission
(apologies if hes already linked to this update)
How can you argue against things like this?
Testing is not normally done completely at random. The false positive rate when confounded with a sample selected due to symptomatology will be much lower. Whats the rate for someone with a persistent cough and temperature, for example?