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I was supposed to be picking up mum in law on weds for our Xmas bubble, will that still be an option?
Well if someone on here can give an answer to that before the imminent announcement, they've either got hold of a leak, are part of the government and leaked it here or Bojo himself announcing via STW.
Over 80s are being picked up by PCNs (groups of GP practices), who are being ‘stood up’ up at slightly different times and will then have to schedule in all of their patients according to the 3.5 day window they have to use each vaccine delivery (975 doses) within
So different >80s will hear at different rates/times- no need to be concerned if relatives haven’t heard yet
Well if someone on here can give an answer to that before the imminent announcement, they’ve either got hold of a leak, are part of the government and leaked it here or Bojo himself announcing via STW.
Don't give BoJo ideas, it would be a good place for him to bury bad news!
London & SE in Tier 4 - Lockdown and can only meet 1 person outside. No people around at Christmas 🙁
Other Tiers limited to 3 people Christmas Day only.
Flippin heck.
Well if someone on here can give an answer to that before the imminent announcement, they’ve either got hold of a leak, are part of the government and leaked it here or Bojo himself announcing via STW.
They've already preleaked this, (I assume on purpose) just as they've leaked almost every other announcement! So it's possible 😁
Other Tiers limited to 3 people Christmas Day only.
3 households?
Flippin heck.
Lucky though communal worship is still allowed in tier 4 since apparently praying keeps the virus away.
Fair play to BoJo....I'm hardly a fan, but you can't argue with what he's just announced. Obviously planting the seeds of the xmas free for all was ****ing nut in the first place.
These restrictions should have been in weeks ago. Looks like a Zoom call to my parents 😢
But FFS stop international travel there is no need at all.
Update from mum re her 1st vaccination.
Busy site with 4 lanes of chairs and a medical professional at a top table
Musical chairs to move up the line, injection then wait
Having spent the most of a year being pretty much alone apparently it was very busy and too mamy people for the hall ( not a surgery but public events area) not enough parking but that's one of those things
I guess they need high, quick throughput due to the low temperature requirements. She seemed happy enough with the systems.
But FFS stop international travel there is no need at all.
I wouldnt stop it but I would follow the sensible "you want to travel you get to live in a designated secure hotel for 2 weeks once you get back at your expense" approach.
The one we should have done in the summer when people sodded off on their jollies and undid the work of the first lockdown.
Johnson 5 months ago
"We'll be back to normal by Christmas"
Johnson 3 days ago
"would be inhuman to cancel Christmas"
Johnson now
"We cannot continue with Christmas as planned,"
@drac, I agree. Most could see Christmas was going to be carnage. Let's see how much of the population observe the revised restrictions.
Hate Johnson but agree with him on this
So BoJo has finally grown some balls and done what is needed. Still feels like he hasn't gone far enough though, but that could just be what I'm used to feeling after every announcement he makes. Be interesting to see what Wales and Scotland do to respond.
Tom-B
Free MemberFair play to BoJo….I’m hardly a fan, but you can’t argue with what he’s just announced.
Nah, only everything that's preceded it. How does he even do it?
The one we should have done in the summer when people sodded off on their jollies and undid the work of the first lockdown.
Should have been from day one except for moving goods. No 2 weeks bollocks no travelling abroad full stop.
Italy have announced the same thing today and I think the Netherlands did a day or two ago. The latest mutation (there have reportedly been many so this isn’t news in itself) seems to have the epidemiologists worried.
Well in Kent cases were rising before the November lockdown and kept on rising during that lockdown and continued rising after it. Why would doing the same again make any difference.
The only hope is the kids are not at school.
So they didn't get Gupta, Tegnell and co in to give them the science this time then?
FFS how much opportunity have they squandered over this year? Just make a decision you know you are going to have to make before you are forced into it!
Vaccines redundant? That's the huge worry I'm sure.
Vaccines redundant? That’s the huge worry I’m sure.
Currently no evidence to suggest that.
Currently no evidence to suggest that.
Absolutely
But they have just lied about the Porton Down data not being available. It is and my sister has read it. And it's scary. Suffice to say if you are in tier 4 I'd be playing the game and doing the rules by the letter.
He's breaking us in gently for a proper full lockdown in January then.
He’s breaking us in gently for a proper full lockdown in January then.
Unfortunately I dont think he has the leadership to do that. Instead we will have another almost full lockdown which will have enough holes in it to vastly reduce its usefulness whilst screwing over the majority of people. If by some miracle it does work he will then launch an initiative to completely undermine it.
But they have just lied about the Porton Down data not being available. It is and my sister has read it.
If your sister has leaked Porton Down data to you I'd have thought Covid-19 is the least of your worries at the moment.
Interesting, you can't just leave it at that. If you know more, leaked or not, tell it.
If your sister has leaked Porton Down data to you I’d have thought Covid-19 is the least of your worries at the moment.
To be fair she is apoplectic they didn't use the headlines to make people realise/understand it was important to get it right in T4. She's is one of hundreds to have read it. Someone will leak it soon enough.
More transmissible is an interesting finding. It might be that the Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) has tighter binding to ACE2 on cells so a lower dose leads to an infection. Hence the chance of spread, all else being equal (behaviours), goes up. And it doesn’t need to rise much as Tier 3 seems to be holding spread little in the South.
Tier 4 and cancelled Christmas is a short-term challenge. The bigger challenge is what will control spread after Christmas. Vaccine rollout can’t come soon enough. Until then, expect lockdown 3.
@TiRed do you think school closures will happen in the next lockdown? We clearly need a 'proper lockdown' again
…but you can’t argue with what he’s just announced.
On Wednesday Johnson described this kind of action as “inhuman”… and here we are… with him announcing that action. Late. Again.
That should be about it for Boris Bullshit. Ironically he is finally doing what needs to be done, but because he bullshitted (again) and tried to play the role of everyone's best chum (again), then this massively weakens him. That it is over something that makes a lot of people a little bit crazy like Christmas will amplify Johnson's abject failings as a leader.
What a bellend.
More transmissible is an interesting finding. It might be that the Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) has tighter binding to ACE2 on cells so a lower dose leads to an infection.
Is that the same as saying, for example: If it took 4 days for someone to become infectious before it now takes less than 2 days?
Is that the same as saying, for example: If it took 4 days for someone to become infectious before it now takes less than 2 days?
No, it means that you might need less exposure to an infectious person to acquire the virus yourself. For example, purely as an example, instead of, say, 15 mins at 2m indoors, half that at twice the distance. So basically the fantasy idea of Covid Secure schooling starting to look even weaker.
Plus a greater risk from surfaces, persistent micro-droplets indoors etc.
The theoretical R-number goes up because each infected person infects more people, despite their behaviour being the same.
He’s breaking us in gently for a proper full lockdown in January then.
The interesting thing was the extension to Furlough to cover Easter. Not something that suggests the Government is thinking food and leisure will be anything close to normal.
Unfortunately we may be at the benefit of hindsight again wondering why we didn't resend the relaxation of rules about meeting at Christmas across the country. Or why we haven't moved to national travel restrictions. I suspect the answer may come back to any change being hamstrung by the ERGs and the ultras.
No, it means that you might need less exposure to an infectious person...
Thanks
Hence the chance of spread, all else being equal (behaviours), goes up.
despite their behaviour being the same
Of course… their behaviour has not been the same. This increase is because of increased contact… the “mutant strain” line isn’t the relevant point. Admissions and cases are exactly where many said they would be at this point… there are no real surprises… just a PM with blinkers on, who always hopes for the best, rather than act in the best way to help form events.
Vaccines redundant? That’s the huge worry I’m sure.
The virus has changed around once a month apparently (according to the bloke on bbc news). Covid has been more stable than other viruses, but they change all the time. Currently there is no evidence to suggest the vaccine wont work as per what hancock said this week.
Currently there is no evidence to suggest the vaccine wont work …
This needs repeating.
Aye, lets not be starting that kind of talk +1
Also we have a range of vaccines to chose from, each targeting different regions of virus
The new mutated variant will only change a tiny bit so chances are that even if one didn't work we can use another one
Eggs in one basket etc
The only real issue is that vaccine rollout for mostis still a while away 😭
Looks like my mum in law alone for Xmas?!
@TiRed do you think school closures will happen in the next lockdown? We clearly need a ‘proper lockdown’ again
I think that any significant increase in transmission might take the place of schools being open next term. That vaccine roll-out can’t come fast enough.
The evidence of spread prior to end of lockdown2 (schools open) in the south east should be concerning to all. Because a strain that spreads even under lockdown with schools closed, whilst unlikely, would be a significant healthcare burden.
Does beg the question of what the hell is going on in South Wales if they can manage this without any help (yet) from a new highly-transmissable variant.
Doesn't that heat map show they're not managing it?
I think he means manage this as in manage to cause the high spread as shown on this graph, without the mutation.
Fair play to the PM he has made the tough call but it is no different to the call at Eid.
I am not a fan of the PM but he has finally caught on that we can't fudge this. We're in tier 2 and the family FaceTime call last night we cancelled our Christmas plans leaving the lad on his own for the holiday period.
Zoom Christmas it is then, we're having a Zoom tree decoration tomorrow afternoon to get ready(always late in the month for us).
Hopefully we'll be all raring to go by quarter 4, 2021. We get our own version of the roaring 20's after the herd is immunised.
(EDIT; I'm watching the announcement on catch-up, Peston needs to learn how to ask a concise question).