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This is will get lost in the speed of escalation that's just gone on...
Just of the Zwift - 60-80watts holdable, 80+ an effort, working to keep Z2 HRM, 100watts+ difficult to maintain. The bog std round the island. No power in my legs. Sacked at 10km. Im L13 200FTP so not one of the big boys but that's a kicking in a couple of weeks. Felt fine otherwise today. Thought I would manage a super easy flat Z1 power ride. Given I think I'm at the might be virus might be manflu level that's making me thing Virus.
I'd say come to this fit. Right now I'm feeling a bit WTF. Then it's going to be oh well stand up and go again on fitness rebuild.
With the pm saying to avoid non-essential travel, are people considering that to include travel to and from the home to wherever we bike and run?
Meant to spend a weekend running in lakes with a friend. Chances are we would see no-one else but in my mind it is not necessarily essential. Apart from a stepping stone to my summer goals.
And there I was expecting a barnstorming Churchillian call to arms. Instead we got Bertie Wooster meekly asking us to curtail our social lives if it wouldn't be too much trouble. In complete contrast to the Italian PM who said he was making this decision and he would take responsibility for it, Boris basically said this is his advice but it's up to you whether to follow it. I think we all know what the result will be. Total f***** coward, and a total lack of leadership.
The most sobering article I've read yet..
3 week's behind Italy, 10 weeks from the peak..and we are already running out of equipment and oxygen. And not just for old folks either..
These are dark dark times..
There’s been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it’s being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions.
Surley this should be paid work, many 1000s, millions? of people in hospitality, retail, etc are losing or just about to lose their jobs
Cant believe that’s not been done.
I can as they’re not closing them until it’s necessary one of the steps mentioned is skeleton staff for essential worker’s kids.
Pregnant woman to stay at home for 12 weeks as part of the high risk group, the Mrs is not impressed at that. Difficult to get her head around I think.
Doctor colleagues are asking why they're not being trained how to use ventilators,
One on call this weekend, said post op anyone with a temp has to be referred to disease control, but most people have post op raised temp, so causing stress.
They know all rotas have been cancelled, but no more details.
Test to see if people have already had it is good news, but no timeframe for when.
Bollocks, 14 days now. 😶
We phoned 111 yesterday and were told to self isolate - we both have a sore throat, temp, cough, tight chest, fever etc.
So either Covid 19 or 'a bit of a chill'.
Without testing, we'll never know.
We were told we would get a call from a clinician, which it looks like we did, at 02.18 this morning whilst both asleep.
The house has never been so clean.
Ok.
As per guidelines for several days if you’re showing mild symptoms use the NHS website not 111.
Doctor colleagues are asking why they’re not being trained how to use ventilators,
Yet. It is planned.
Our trust guidance for employees yesterday was to call 111.
Work are being very good and emailing me the latest guidance as it's available.
Call from Ward Manager yesterday, Matron today. They've both been superb.
I just want to get tested and get back to work.
Looks like the guidance is changing daily.
We were told we would get a call from a clinician, which it looks like we did, at 02.18 this morning whilst both asleep
They work 24/7 and I’m sure they have tens of thousands of calls to get through. Feeling for all my old 111 colleagues
I'm not complaining, just sharing our experience.
Believe me, I understand the pressure everyone is under.
On the upside, I've had calls from nearly a dozen friends and colleagues offering to go shopping for us.
Lots of very decent people out there.
Surley this should be paid work, many 1000s, millions? of people in hospitality, retail, etc are losing or just about to lose their jobs
It's aimed at people who they can train up quickly, academic researchers/lab techs, former employeers, pharma people. People with a bit of experience in labs, clean rooms, bsl-3. Retail workers won't be put to work as easily or quickly.
Let me know if you hear any more as I’d do it.
Keep an eye on twitter....people like this https://twitter.com/MutantBug/status/1237709753817731072
Sorry Rusty that looked like it was directed at you, it wasn’t.
Looks like the guidance is changing daily.
There is a lot of confusion but since Friday at least it’s been use the 111 website. Our staff ring their manger for advice and they use the PHE guidance for advice.
He also just told every business and employee in the hospitality industry that they're on their own. No support, no advice, no incentive to shut up shop, nothing. This is going to blow up massively.
By making it advice , rather than law can businesses claim on insurance, is this so government aren't directly responsible for them going bust?
French hospitals reach saturation according to the news, cases doubling every three days. I reckon Macron will shut everything down with his speech at 20:00 tonight. Renault and Peugeot have closed their factories. The question is will I need to print out a form from the Net to go out shopping like the Italians?
I came down with a cough and cold on Saturday so have been stuck inside on my own since then. Girlfriend has left some food at the front door but other than phone calls, nowt. To make matters worse, I got made redundant before Xmas and this week was a big week for interviews that have now all been cancelled.
Today has been the worst so far, the ache in my legs and back is horrid. On the flip side I’ve got plenty of bog roll and I’m not a fan of pasta.
As someone with ‘it’ (in theory - I’ve not been tested), there does appear to be a ridiculous amount of panic about. The flip side being the joke threads that just aren’t funny and not much comfort when you’re stuck in a house on your own every day.
Anyway, whinge over - I’m off to build a radio controlled car
With this development, NHS staffing is going to be a major issue. Crikey.
Sooner they get antibody testing and fast track NHS staff through it, the better.
And I really, really feel for people working in hospitality and entertainment industries right now. This ‘advice’ has royally screwed them.
By making it advice , rather than law can businesses claim on insurance, is this so government aren’t directly responsible for them going bust
They cannot claim on insurance UNLESS the government mandate closure. Huge losses for theatres, pubs, etc and thousands will lose their jobs.
In my town schools are shut but some of them are staying open for medical staff children.
I also except Macron to shut the country tonight.
daz - that is not what be said about the hospitality business.
He was asked a direct question and didn't provide a clear answer; which is exactly how he responded to other direct questions.
Having said that, my interpretation of his non-answer is what you posted.
We need strong and decisive leadership in three key roles - PM, health sec and chancellor.
Nope, I don't see it either.
On one of the other threads I wished for leadership of the type provided by Brown & Darling in 2008/9. Strong, decisive, global in outlook; got the US onto the right track.
If, like me, you think johnson & his gov are piss poor, listen to trump.
I’m not complaining, just sharing our experience.
I think any sharing of experience is worth it. It's great that friends come to help. Hang in there hope you get well soon.
When most people don't have it and there is no definitive this is most likely what is involved - it just adds to the over all picture. My posts about the isolation experience are more this is what it's like at the real real tenuous bet it's really man flu I'm going to look foolish end. The Zwift experience was more me just trying to figure out where I'm at, it did dent me for a bit. Now trying to figure out if I should stick another 7 days on isolation - tasty rice here we come! Although the local cafe has just put out a we will delivery to isolators off the menu. Might yet be able to kick the can, or sachet, further down the road.
Do we have an isolators experience thread? Just to clear the path for proper rabbit hole theorising.
kimbers - re insurance; if gov tells theatres, for example, they must close their insurance kicks in.
If it's 'advisory' they cannot claim on insurance.
I don't know about other 'social venues' such as pubs, restaurants, cinemas.
We stopped mini squirrel from going to school this morning due to her minor cough escalating. Now definitely persistent and we're all in the house for 2 weeks.
Luckily just got back from the shops when I got the news so we're gonna be okay.
Lady in Asda today said "It's nice to see someone's still doing a normal shop". My basket = 6 eggs and 24 bottles of beer.
dannyh
MemberPotential game changer alert?
Is that the herd immunity via infection theory totally ****ed?
There was already at least one reported reinfection case before the herd immunity nonsense started up so, no.
They cannot claim on insurance UNLESS the government mandate closure. Huge losses for theatres, pubs, etc and thousands will lose their jobs.
What lovely people our government are.
By making it advice , rather than law can businesses claim on insurance, is this so government aren’t directly responsible for them going bust?
No they can't claim on their insurance as its a recomendation, not an order.
Its a massive cop out and the government effectively washing its hands of the the tsunami of bancrupcies of pubs, bars and resaurants thats about to hit. In the same way as it'll wash its hands of everyone else who's business is about to fold or who's about to lose their job. 'The Market' is left to sort it all out, with no involvement from a 'hands off'Government
They'll simply point all the newly bancrupt and unemployed in the direction of the car crash that is Universal Credit.
I'm self-employed. I've got a few weeks work ahead finishing up a contract, then.... who knows? It's not looking good.
Hard to know of that's deliberate obfuscation coz he doesn't want to seem Draconian?
Worry is that government are absolutely making this up as they go along.
Hancock said last week he'd been in discussion with supermarkets, but supermarkets said he was lying
They only asked manufacturers about ventilators on Saturday , but they still have no details.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1239585309337288704?s=19
Considering they knew this was coming since Jan , lack of planning is worrying
May have been posted but the simulator graphics near the bottom of the page give a good example of why we should be shutting down schools to slow the spread so a more managed approach with limited medical resources can be taken. And ensure sure there is a steady througput of workers that recover and get back to work.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
tpbiker
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The most sobering article I’ve read yet..
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-doctor-warns-we-are-already-at-breaking-point-11958542
Deeply worrying!
You lot who voted this bunch of clowns in expected anything different..
We’ve 2 kids with colds, coughing occasionally. I’ve got a sore throat, and have flown to Italy in the last 14 days, so we are going to do 14 days.
Missus is WFH and I’m on 2 weeks leave, so no job impact (If BA stays afloat!) but teenage daughter upset with the marginal call. TBH I think she’s just a bit all over the place with the whole CV thing.
I'm not sure what scares me more, the virus or the government. At least in the US there are state governments to protect people from Trump, we've got nothing. On the evidence of that press conference I think Boris will be gone soon. His authority will drain away, if it hasn't already, his supporters in both the tory party and the media will desert him, and the tories will do what they always do, dump him and put someone else in his place.
**** it, send them to school loads of other parents have!
Can anyone in France give me the gist of Macron's speech just now. Followed a lot but worried I may have missed something important. Currently in Châlons en Champagne hoping to get the tunnel home tommorow.
but teenage daughter upset with the marginal call. TBH I think she’s just a bit all over the place with the whole CV thing.
Join the club. My 15 year old is absolutely freaking out at the prospect of not being able to go out with her mates and is in complete denial. Also we're almost definitely going to keep them out of school. The schools are going to close anyway, so I can't see any reason not to take them out now. Essentially we're going to tackle this as a family and whilst resigned to getting it at some point, we're going to try and avoid it for as long as possible. We'll go out for walks and do stuff together at the weekend away from others, and try not to kill eachother whilst at home. Going to be an interesting few months.
MrsMC and I are trustees for 3 kids charity groups. About 500 kids are going to have their plans, hopes and trips this summer ruined. Not sure where the three groups will be left financially, paid tutors will lose income, and volunteers may not come back if and when groups start up again
Daughter currently in what is probably a last and pointless training session ahead of EuroGym in Iceland this July
A friend of mine works for Glyndebourne Opera....they are facing cancelling the season, losing millions of pounds, and because it's "advised" not to go, no insurance pay out....threatens their existence. I know, it's elitist, posh, full of toffs etc etc. but they employ hundreds through the season, generating huge amounts for the local economy. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it's hard not to imagine that the gov are only "advising" after getting input from their mates in the insurance industry, which is worth more than the entertainment industry
Posted at 18:2318:23
UK coronavirus deaths rise to 53 - health secretary
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UK virus death toll reaches 55
they are facing cancelling the season, losing millions of pounds, and because it’s “advised” not to go, no insurance pay out….threatens their existence. I know, it’s elitist, posh, full of toffs etc etc. but they employ hundreds through the season,
My other halfs theatre company is very much at the other end of the scale but its been, buggered.
Can anyone in France give me the gist of Macron’s speech just now. Followed a lot but worried I may have missed something important. Currently in Châlons en Champagne hoping to get the tunnel home tommorow.
If you have access to France24 in English, they have the key points there. But if you don’t, I’m watching and it says the following along the ticker tape but it might not be everything:
Decided to step up measures to prevent movement.
Calls off 2nd round elections
Closing borders as of TOMORROW MIDDAY - this might be key for you.
Gas, electric etc bills suspended
That’s all I’ve gathered. Edukator, cchris2lou - can you help?
Macron just now :
From tomorrow lunch time only reasons people are are allowed to go out is for
medical
food shopping
work . if you cant work from home your employer needs to explain why and i guess gives you proof .
All travel outisde EU banned .
500 billions euro package for businesses , no rent , no rates , all utilities bills . include self employed .
Army to open hospitals in most touched areas , and transport patients .
Medical staff can use taxis and hotels paid for by the Government .
All other political stuff , like pensions , suspended .
Basically French to stay at home for 15 days and it'll be enforced
Probably an idea uk should be following.
you will be fine to get home tomorrow .
All frenchs people outisde EU will be allowed to get home .
in theory not allowed to go on the bike .....
Thanks guys, will make an early start in the morning and get of the roads before midday just in case.
raybanwomble
Member
There’s been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it’s being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions. Colindale openly started recruiting but must have been inundated as they have taken the ad down now.
After a bit of flip-flopping, we got confirmation today that testing is being much increased.
That means the 5 labs in my area will all send samples to one central lab (Preston) as oppose to Manchester where everyone in the NW is currently sending samples.
We have had an open request for voluntary overtime sent out so they can operate 24/7, they are expecting to test up to 1000 samples per day.
The only issue with that is the biomedical science staffing level has been decimated already and we already do a lot of overtime just to prop our own lab up.
There is talk of us bringing our testing in house, but I'm not sure how feasible that is. Apparently we had someone from the anti-terrorism squad call today to make sure we aren't doing testing as we may not be secure enough!! Don't think terrorists really need to bother releasing this as a bio-weapon now!!
Wow. Tough measures from France. Good that they said they'll help people with rent etc.
Doctor on french tv saying that testing only necessary for some people ( ill , known medical conditions pregnant etc...), no need for general population .But France is ahead of UK .
in theory not allowed to go on the bike …
In Macron's speech he said déplacements pour une activité physique would be allowed. I'm going to water and ride the horses tomorrow.
Just broke it to the daughter about staying home. Very upsetting, she's in bits, and literally begging to able to carry on as normal. It's going to be a tricky few months. I've no doubt a lot of it is just stress about the whole thing. She's in total denial so having to face it head on is obviously a shock. 12 year old doesn't give a shit 🙂
My other halfs theatre company is very much at the other end of the scale but its been, buggered.
It really is shitty behaviour....especially in comparison to France where "no business, regardless of size, will be allowed to fail" (Beeb's words)
Are people going to stop going biking? I was going to do a little cheeky overnighter this weekend in Wales.. but not sure now.
My just turned 13 year old is pretty chilled about it tbh, was scared, but reassured her now.
Basically French to stay at home for 15 days and it’ll be enforced
Probably an idea uk should be following.
Germany could also look towards France. I quite like the idea that all rents and bills are suspended.
GF was meant to be starting a new job today and signing the contract first thing. Got told yesterday evening not to bother coming in. Job is still there, but the money won't be.
Last paid work for me was 14th Feb. My bank account is slowly being depleted. The tax man wants paying, rent still needs to be paid and food bought.
The main concern about riding the horses is that if either of us gets bucked off it'll be anti-social taking up hospital staff time. No galloping around tomorrow, just a little trot I think. Same with mountain biking, nothing rad if you ride.
I'd taken today off work to prepare my home office for WFH due to being in a high risk group. About 4pm email went around work stating everything was pretty much business as usual, no need not to run training courses, travel for meetings fine and they won't be encouraging people to work from home. 10 minutes later goverment policy is work from home if possible and cut out all unnecessary social contact.
Macron just now :
That. I want that. If I don’t get that, I want a new government (even more than I did before).
Face it Boris, You’ve had your fun, you ‘ran a country’ for a bit, but it’s time to get a genuine, bona vide, grown up leader take over for the good of the country and not treat it like a prize/new plaything, you chancing sack of shit. still, in one of the biggest crisis since the war, you haven’t actually mandated that anybody do anything, purely to avoid any responsibility whatsoever.
Apologies for the rant.
A mate of ours who owns a cafe bar just posted this on Friendface, which I’m sure sums up the feelings of a lot of business owners who are about to go bust
Well done boris 👏👏👏
You’re not going to impose proper sanctions in what we should or shouldn't do, but with 1 sentence you have killed many restaurants/bars/cafes... thank you, you Tory *ing *!
Physical exercise allowed in France
on your own
only around your local area , cant drive with bike in car .
not in town or populated area
if you cross someone , stay 2m away .
all good for me .
Was it 14 million people who voted for this clown. Unbelievable.
The other end of the scale to Glyndebourne, my local small bar/micro brewery have announced today they are closing for the foreseeable future. Tomorrow however, is sale day. Could be quite a party.
Time for country to declare war on the boris virus; more deadly than covid-19.
A mate of ours who owns a cafe bar just posted this on Friendface, which I’m sure sums up the feelings of a lot of business owners who are about to go bust
I'm waiting for the coin to drop with the government that there's a lot of businesses have kitchens, a lot of people need feeding. If this goes on for ages - step away from the shopping and sort out how to feed a nation. Don't let them go bankrupt, do everything to ease the burden on them, and for f-sake give them a living. I have a similar off the wall take on public works. Letting money fly away out the country doesn't help us, investing in us does.
Just seen from the US side of the company I work for that 6 SF Bay Area counties have ordered a 3 week "shelter-in-place", starting Tuesday.
Which means no leaving home apart from absolute essentials.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-san-francisco-idUSKBN2133ED
National trust are closing all buildings by the end of the week, in reality from tomorrow. Staff paid "for the time being". Guess I'll be sweeping up and tidying for a month or so til the money runs out!
I’m waiting for the coin to drop with the government that there’s a lot of businesses have kitchens, a lot of people need feeding. If this goes on for ages – step away from the shopping and sort out how to feed a nation.
Local cafes around here have already said they’ll cook meals for those in quarantine and deliver them. Maybe your friend could do something similar.
It is going to be annoying beyond belief when, shortly afterward being told I (and many others) have to continue to work in a school with hundreds of people in close proximity, to then be told we cannot go outside to walk/ride our bikes which (done sensibly) has no risk at all!
Edit: everything’s moving too quickly. It appears from recent posts that sensible activities outdoors may be permitted, let’s hope so.
I thought car plants turning out ventilators sounded like BS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51914490
Meanwhile the EU have a central plan to ramp up production and share them out within the EU....and understandably limit exports to non EU countries.
Boris, Farage, Cummings. Blood on their hands.
500 billions euro package for businesses , no rent , no rates , all utilities bills . include self employed .
Macron promised no business would go bankrupt do to Covid
Johnson just shafted the entire leisure industry
Sadly, for every ‘Boris has just crippled an industry/*ed over tens of thousands’ post on SM, there’s another one saying ‘it’s not his fault there’s a virus, he’s doing his/what’s best, let him get on with it’ post.
I’m more angry over this farce than I was over brexit. Mainly because this isn’t some ideological concept, stemming from Eton’s debate club. He asked to be leader, now he has to lead, he is doing *ing nothing, in fact worse than nothing. Then when all the doing less than nothing comes back to bite him, he will be fine, and he knows it. Assuming the virus doesn’t get him. Livid.
So today Grant Shapps stood up and said the UK was driven by 'science, not populism'
Please please please can we learn our lesson and not vote for mediocrity in future?
https://www.twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1239655710872518663
Been an odd day; confirmed case on the campus I work on and people just leaving with computers under their arm to wfh. Got to daughters nursery to pick up and a big sign on the door explaining there is a suspected case (but won't be tested). Got home to hear about Boris's announcements. The hospitality thing is a bit of a nightmare. he is a spineless shit.
He’s a ****n ****. When I spend 3 hours with central govt trying to unravel what it actually means it tells you he has no idea about leading or what a leader looks like. No great surprise but Jesus don’t we need a leader right now. He will have blood in his well manicured hands.
It is going to be annoying beyond belief when, shortly afterward being told I (and many others) have to continue to work in a school with hundreds of people in close proximity, to then be told we cannot go outside to walk/ride our bikes which (done sensibly) has no risk at all!
You can go to work just dont go to the pub on the way home!!
Go to the pub? Yes, good idea before most of them go bust.
After johnson's piss poor performance earlier, try this for enhanced delusion
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/487883-trump-gives-himself-10-out-of-10-on-coronavirus-response
Words fail me.
Only thing I can say for Boris is that Trump is worse.