No Flu “jabs” available up here for at risk kids. Once again this year, we got the letter, booked, turned up, and were turned away from the GP provided clinic. Then chased after a pharmacist provided one… no joy. On the Boots waiting list, and keep checking back with Lloyds and GP… weeks away at best, they say.
That's crazy, here in Wales there was a mad rush at the end of Sept, that passed. I got a same-day appointment in Lloyds last week. My daughter is having her nasal spray today, Wife had hers yesterday (but she's NHS frontline so they do it in work).
Sorry I made it sound easy, but it was no issue at all for me last week.
I can’t see past a lockdown come half-term.
Kenneth Clarke was interviewed this morning and stated that it was now inevitable
Will it make any difference though?
The areas with local lockdowns in the north west have all got infection rates going through the roof.
We gave up in late December last year P-Jay. Fingers crossed it’ll happen this year…
There are no local lockdowns binners… people aren’t supposed to go into each other’s homes… but that restriction* doesn’t mean lockdown, far from it. And it clearly isn’t the effective restriction that the gov were hoping for… but hard for them to be sure of what to do instead, given how behind they are as regards getting tracking and testing schemes ramped up ready for May or June 2020, or whenever they originally said these tools would be needed for.
[ * referring to the areas I know of ]
Australia has gone from a 7 day average of 500 to 15 in 2 months, using the strict lockdown imposed in Victoria. Will be interesting to see what happens there as the restrictions are relaxed.
Based on our own 'success' in the UK in Spring / Summer and our current position. Maybe it's the seasons that do the work? who knows Anymore.
P-Jay - normally both myself and my wife get Flu jabs through work. This year we've both been informed there aren't any spare. Ive tried to book locally to pay but all outlets are only booking NHS approved, not self pay. Despite it being obvious demand would increase, we are short of supply. Imagine that!!
After banning two to a van since late March, now Covid is definitely on the rise again, Royal Mail are trying to get us posties to van share again... Unbelievable.
I think they are more worried about Xmas chaos than the lives of posties and their family/social circles.
Announcement expected from Nichola Sturgeon shortly regarding the hospitality sector.
Worth everyone listening too as Boris will probably do the same thing in a week or two's time
Not really, I occasionally read my Wife’s NHS daily covid report thing, we’re not concerned about running out of beds, here anyway
Yet. See TiReds comment about doubling time.
2 weeks till half term here. Very much expecting a lockdown around then, maybe an extra week of home learning.
The Beeb are suggesting European countries are seeing admissions level off rather than continue rising, but that's with restrictions in place. We need to get better at protecting the vulnerable - though the physical and mental health impacts of that are a risk in themselves - and properly locking down flare up clusters, like unis, factories etc.
Announcement expected from Nichola Sturgeon shortly regarding the hospitality sector.
Worth everyone listening too as Boris will probably do the same thing in a week or two’s time
Yep, it'll be interesting. She can close Pubs, but she can't provide any financial support for them, that has to come from Westminster. (I believe).
English half term I presume?
Apologies, yes English half-term plus possibly an extra week for those with one-week half-term. Private schools have two weeks anyway.
An important element here is not the focus on pub restrictions, but the encouragement to get outdoors....
There must be someone else who can offer the “balance” position of letting the virus rip for them?
I don’t do meeja, but there is a scientific debate to be had about the relative roles of contacts and immunity as drivers of infection rates (and control strategies), not to mention COVID19 morbidity and mortality. At the moment it seems a political debate.
NHSTT needs to focus on prospectively reducing transmission, rather than retrospectively getting people back into circulation faster. Until then it will be on the back foot, and “letting rip” will not help the unprotected.
Agreed. But it's the need to represent opposing views, rather than find consensus, that is keeping her on the air, every day, I feel. You can easily find people who will discuss using track/trace/isolate effectively, along with a working testing system, to avoid needing any form of "lock down"... but instead they'd rather have her on, again and again, wibbling on about getting out of the way of the virus, to be seen to be "balanced". To be fair, they do tend to ask her how she intends to protect the vulnerable, but she's well practised at batting that away in the short slots they have her in.
In the future everyone will be famous for five minutes. She’s having her five minutes. The coming mortality statistics will make the decisions. Sadly.
Gupta is a hack and history will end up viewing her in the same category as Peter Duesberg.
I think they are more worried about Xmas chaos than the lives of posties and their family/social circles.
I think you'll discover that almost every large company sees its employees as an irritating but necessary expense.
While infection rates of students (and staff) in secondary schools are known locally, there's very little information being reported on the national picture. In N. Yorks and Teesside it seems most schools have reported multiple confirmed cases.
While infection rates of students (and staff) in secondary schools are known locally,
I know a of two local cases that local news assume are pupils but are actually teachers, so the picture might not be as clear as you think locally
My lad is at an 1800 strong 6th Form College, with a catchment of 25 mile radius, and it's on the edge of Nottingham, which is due to get a lockdown later in the week. So far one teacher and one student have tested positive.
As far as I'm aware, there's been no positive tests at any of the three secondary schools in Ilkeston. A friend works at a very big secondary in North Notts and they've had no positives yet.
I am, frankly, amazed by all this, and at the same time wondering how much asymptomatic transmission may be going on.
Nottingham cases are all quite condensed geographically at the moment, yes? Expect measures to come soon to try and keep it that way…
Royal Mail are trying to get us posties to van share again… Unbelievable.
Don't give it up to be a binman then! Still it's keeping a roof over my head while the industry I've spent 25 years in is being destroyed.
Nottingham cases are all quite condensed geographically at the moment, yes?
Yes, very concentrated in the main uni areas, but beginning to spread. Apparently Nottingham Uni are running their own testing centre, including asymptomatic, which they say is accounting for the big numbers
Tory Spokesperson Kuennsberg new article on the BBC website is hinting at some tiered tighter restrictions across England from Monday
That Mash article made me laugh. If you want to see into future, deaths in six days time will be today's admissions divided by 7. Plus or minus 8 deaths.
That Mash article made me laugh.
Pah, that's nothing. I can see at least two weeks into the future by watching TV5 Monde. 🙂
I see our glorious leader is letting us have one more covid-packed weekend of boozing before he closes the pubs. One last super-spreader event to keep us going through the cold months ahead.
Tory Spokesperson Kuennsberg new article
This weeks private eye had a column commenting on how when johnson was declaring we will fight them on the beaches how most of the media were amazingly accurate in their predictions of what was going to mentioned. They cynically suggested that despite the start time over running the email to them giving the key points was delivered at the original planned time.
I’m sitting in dismay at this mornings headlines “Boris expected to announce pub closures...” it’s so repetitively boring Cummings and predictably mistaken. he’ll announce tomorrow, pubs will be packed over the weekend, they’ll close a Monday and cases/admission will go up as a result.
ffs
Why do they keep trailing all the moves in advsnce, whats the reasoning for the incompetence?
It's the old trick of let's "leak" what's coming next and if nobody objects too strongly, we'll stick with the plan. If there is uproar we'll tweak the message to make it look like we know what we're doing
Get the media to announce bad news, so that when you speak about it, you are just confirming things. Or alternatively, walk away from it or water it down if poorly received. It's how they have been 'governing' since July last year on everything.
This morning is "herd immunity by exposure take two" in the media, isn't it. This second rising period is going to be like a slow motion repeat of the first one as regards the media and political chatter.
Don’t give it up to be a binman then! Still it’s keeping a roof over my head while the industry I’ve spent 25 years in is being destroyed.
Would I be right in thinking you stick to the same working teams everyday, under normal circumstances?
Normally, the "duty holder" driver and passenger have different days off in Royal Mail, who have their day off covered by someone who covers the day off of multiple duties each week. Before a postie shows syptoms and responsibly self-isolates, Covid can very easily and quickly spread between posties; their freiends; their family; "random" interactions out and about etc.
Question for anyone who has had covid. What's a continuous cough typically like. The reason I ask is the guy I was playing golf with the other day had somehow developed a cough. I wouldn't say it was continuous, probably 3 quick coughs every 10 minutes or so which he claimed were phelmy. Obviously I kept my distance but when I suggested he may want to get tested he just laughed, said he was fine and that he felt great with no other symptoms and it was brought on from being outside. Hed had it for 2 or 3 days apparently.
I came home from work to my better half dry coughing practically non-stop back in March, with brief respites of "a few seconds" inbetween coughs. I can't recall the exact typical duration, but it was far more frequent than any cold either of us have had in the ~15 years we've been together and between us we've had plenty of colds.
A day or so later, her coughing was replaced by severe breathing difficulties when she simply walked between rooms in our small flat, that lasted for two periods of ~2 weeks.
He was certainly nothing like that!
I developed a more tickly, annoying cough that would recur every couple of hours. My wife had the same. Certainly wasn't debilitating. I did hit the wall with fatigue after a couple of days though. Reactions seem to be quite variable,
Why do they keep trailing all the moves in advsnce, whats the reasoning for the incompetence?
You see focus groups, that's how it used to be done, put a few people in a room and test their reactions.
You see the entire public, that's the focus group now.
I developed a more tickly, annoying cough that would recur every couple of hours. My wife had the same. Certainly wasn’t debilitating. I did hit the wall with fatigue after a couple of days though. Reactions seem to be quite variable,
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I didn't realise you'd had it scotroutes. Do you think it was a contributing factor in your subsequent TIA you posted about on here?
Why do they keep trailing all the moves in advsnce, whats the reasoning for the incompetence?
Its kite flying. We, as the countries population, are now just a huge focus group fo Dom.
Just read the code. 'A Downing Street Source' means it's come direct from Cummings. This is invariably where the 'leaks' come from. He's just testing the waters to gauge reaction to see if he needs to tweak it, leave it as it is or scrap it completely.
And I'm sure we're all used to Nicola Sturgeon announcing something, for Boris to follow and announce the same a week later
All this 'Downing Street Source' bullshit is really testing my patience of the whole thing. Why should the response to the virus be guided by what the great unwashed think? It just leads to the idiotic 10pm pub curfew and things like everyone seemingly piling in to pubs for one last weekend binge before they shut (again). I'm really, really trying to follow the rules, do the right thing for the greater good and protect my loved ones but when this bunch of morons are leading by leaks, treating us as a giant social experiment and feathering their own nests I'm sorely tempted to just do what I please and just look after me. It's what they are doing after all.
Of course I won't do that though. Mainly as I have morals but I can't help thinking that that's exactly what they want me to do and that I'm being 'played'.
Of course I won’t do that though. Mainly as I have morals but I can’t help thinking that that’s exactly what they want me to do and that I’m being ‘played’.
Correct. That way the Govt can avoid the blame.
Question for anyone who has had covid. What’s a continuous cough typically like. The reason I ask is the guy I was playing golf with the other day had somehow developed a cough. I wouldn’t say it was continuous, probably 3 quick coughs every 10 minutes or so which he claimed were phelmy. Obviously I kept my distance but when I suggested he may want to get tested he just laughed, said he was fine and that he felt great with no other symptoms and it was brought on from being outside. Hed had it for 2 or 3 days apparently.
I had pretty much this, 3-4 dry coughs every 10 to 15 mins for 2 days. Very brief temperature spike and lost sense of smell a few days later. Wife and son had similar but worse symptoms 8-9 days later. All recovered OK and I've since had a negative antibody test but convinced that was it.
It just leads to the idiotic 10pm pub curfew and things like everyone seemingly piling in to pubs for one last weekend binge before they shut (again).
They might has well have just put a press release out saying 'hey everyone! We're shutting the pubs on Monday, so if I were you I'd get together with all your mates and go out on a massive bender this weekend. Make sure you remember to give everyone a big hug when you're leathered!'
Strangely I'd have preferred them saying that, at least it would have been honest!
