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Mrs TiRed has her second injection today and Son1 (23) is going to see if he can beg a dose based on the fact she’s in late.
UK variant will be replaced by June. One either believes in cross-reactive immunity or not. I am of the opinion that vaccine-induced antibody immunity will protect from morbidity and mortality. I am not privy to decision-making, but would not rule out some form of localised intervention where there is obvious evidence of undesirable effect. We will of course monitor and decide.
We’ve just been told to invite everyone over 16 for a jab.
Is it approved for under 18s yet? Great if it is.
Do we think local lockdowns will work better this time, with vaccination in place as well? My new base office is Leicester, think they had two weeks with no form of lockdown last year, it just never got low enough.
No vaccine is approved in the U.K. for U18 at this stage. Pfizer is approved in the US. Pfizer have asked the MHRA for approval and n adolescents.
I thought Pfizer approval was over 16. The other vaccines are over 18.
It's actually 16 and over...
I thought Pfizer was approved for 16+? I have 17 year old pupils in Scotland who have been given Pfizer, whilst their parents, on the same day, at the same vaccination centre, were given AZ.
EDIT: Thanks Kelvin.
Watching the latest briefing.
Anyone taking bets on the last opening up stage not happening?
Let us know how you get on?
Had the jab and was given Pfizer as others suspected no ‘choice’. Nothing even said just arrived and after checking in was given the leaflet for Pfizer.
Feeling absolutely fine at present. Ran home to get that out the way in case I do end up rough but so far not a thing. Tempting fate now though!
You can have a choice, or at least you can in west berks
Wasn’t the case for me (East Manchester) may be the case on a location to location basis. I ultimately wasn’t overly fussed though. As my original post said, it was curiosity to benefits.
Done now regardless.
You dont get a choice on the day anywhere. You can take a punt as to which centre “might” do one of the other, but in the day you get what you are offered or you go home.
Anyone taking bets on the last opening up stage not happening?
Been the general assumption in this household since it was announced.
Hardly enough if the Indian variant takes a grip:
Step 4 – no earlier than 21 June
All legal limits removed on mixing will be removed and the last sectors to remain closed, such as nightclubs, will reopen. Large events can take place.
There are likely to be changes to wider social distancing measures but this will be decided in a separate review – also see below.
Essentially means no night-clubs & parties, masks, distancing and related outcomes & hand cleaning still carries on. To be fair I'd still be doing that anyway.
Apart from in schools of course. Because of the magic.
That briefing by Boris seemed full of mixed messages to me...
We're really concerned about Indian strain hotspots
But Covid hospitalisations and deaths are low
So we're going to let you all get your relaxing of restrictions from Monday
But you should think very carefully about what you do as regards using those new liberties
“I give you freedom, and it’s your fault if I’ve timed it wrong, because I warned you.”
But you should think very carefully about what you do as regards using those new liberties
Yes, because then - if it all goes horribly wrong - it's your fault and not his. It's like bloody Groundhog Day as usual.
so the 12 week between jabs is becoming 8 weeks - I'm now just short of 8 weeks and did my bookings on line, are we supposed to rebook or do we get contacted?
so the 12 week between jabs is becoming 8 weeks – I’m now just short of 8 weeks and did my bookings on line, are we supposed to rebook or do we get contacted?
I'm in the same boat, initially contacted by GP so assuming they'll tell me when I reach the top of the pile for my second dose.
So they're talking about accelerating the vaccination programme. My question is why hasn't it been running at maximum speed up to now?
Scientific data gets reviewed and changes I guess. So, this morning Sage are shouting from the rooftops to postpone Mondays changes. He won’t until it’s too late will he ?
My question is why hasn’t it been running at maximum speed up to now?
It has. It’s just PR… Moderna and Pfizer are now more available and because of clotting worries are being aimed at the younger cohorts, which means AZ availability has improved for second shots for the older cohorts, hence the move from 12 weeks to 8. It has nothing to do with the choice to drop mitigations in the face of troubling new variant… but with all the (wise) calls of “something needs to be done” the government can say “where doing this”.
He won’t until it’s too late will he ?
It’s okay, we’ll have an enquiry into lessons to learn from all this long after we can learn from those lessons. Ignore him, only meet up with your mates outdoors for now. The weather makes this harder, but we’re mountain bikers… just put the right clothes on.
where are the folks that were demanding we open up two weeks ago? Wonder what their thoughts are now?
My question is why hasn’t it been running at maximum speed up to now?
It is not clear, England and Scotland appear to have kept a supply in reserve maybe for second doses, maybe for unknown contingencies, or just general caution. Wales have run a more lean programme hence the higher vaccination rates there.
My take is that at the moment the spikes are small and isolated (Bolton once again is very specific wards with high transmission and low vaccine take up), at the moment we're ok, that could change but with 70% of the adult population with one dose we are not in the same place as we were 3 months ago. The Indian variant seems more transmissible but not more deadly. Don't forget we were told when Boris did his data not dates speech (with his diary open) case rates were no longer a criteria, hospital admissions and deaths were the key metrics, at this stage we don't yet know if the small increase in cases will translate to a similar level of hospitalization.
Second point if Boris had delayed the opening on Monday again at the 11th hour it would have wiped another load of businesses off the high street who have geared up for re-openning and have bought stock etc which they can't sell.
Whether restrictions should be lifted on June 21 st I don't know, what I do know is the silly cow the BBC were interviewing yesterday who couldn't wait to get off to Protugal next week should be having a very serious word with herself about the importance of her 2 weeks in the sun vs the pandemic. She even had the gall to justify her holiday as she works in the NHS, should know better.
Biggest mistake we're making at the moment is international travel, and of course the on going knee jerk last minute u-turns, Lancashire for example deciding mask wearing should continue in schools after everyone went home and plans had been made to reduce their use. Total shit storm in many schools coming on Monday.
So they’re talking about accelerating the vaccination programme. My question is why hasn’t it been running at maximum speed up to now?
I had much the same thoughts.
FWIW the Scottish Government is following the same timetable - more indoor mixing as of Monday - so it's not just a Boris thing. The only difference I'm seeing is that they are holding back with Moray and Glasgow due to specific clusters there. Infection numbers are on a rise again but I can't see if that is only a reaction to the additional testing they've been carrying out as clusters spring up.
My opinion is that there is no appetite amongst the public for an extension of / return to restrictions and that we'll just have to put up with the consequences.
The interesting development is bringing the 2nd vaccine forward,the month interval was chosen during the trials to speed up approval. Turns out a 3 month gap is better, probably better than 8 weeks. Would have though suppressing transmission would be better served by increasing first dose delivery for the under 30s where much of the transmission is.
Would have though suppressing transmission would be better served by increasing first dose delivery for the under 30s where much of the transmission is.
Think they are prioritizing what causes hospitalization, a small reduction in risk among the vulnerable maybe be better for this than the downside of higher transmission in a population who cope with it better. I imagine it is quite a fine judgement.
I’m in the same boat, initially contacted by GP so assuming they’ll tell me when I reach the top of the pile for my second dose.
I got to week 12 without being contacted. I emailed the GP practice and they were straight back to me to say I had fallen off the system. They sorted me out overnight and I had jab 2 a few days later.
hospital admissions and deaths were the key metrics, at this stage we don’t yet know if the small increase in cases will translate to a similar level of hospitalization
Of course, if it gets to that point, it's too late to turn the ship around at speed, and we're into long periods of stricter controls again, and all the social and economic damage that entails. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. I'd rather act now than hope though. The scientists that have been proven right over the last year seem to think so as well. Keep schools open as much as possible up to the summer break, by keeping mitigating measures in place in classrooms and shared spaces. Meet up with your mates outdoors not indoors. Wrap up though...
Would have though suppressing transmission would be better served by increasing first dose delivery for the under 30s where much of the transmission is.
Which is exactly what they've been doing in Moray
where are the folks that were demanding we open up two weeks ago? Wonder what their thoughts are now?
I wasn’t one of them, but I don’t see the need to panic.
In most of the UK, the virus just isn’t there to spread.
Surely we are now at a point where those who want to stay home and take extreme precautions can, and those who don’t can take their chances.
Local measures don’t work in the UK. Shut things in an area, and people just leave the area. And vaccinating regions as a barrier to transmission is far too slow a process, when the virus spreads at speed. Vaccinations are the answer, but timing is what really matters, and what this government repeatedly gets wrong, against the advise of its own experts. We keep shutting the right stable doors, but, well, you know…
Lots of people talk about the “race between the new variants and the vaccination programme”, but the starting gun is in the PM’s hands, and he has the means to give the vaccination programme such a big head start that the race is all but a forgone conclusion. Why give up any of that possible advantage right now?
Can we name the Indian Variant Vindaflu
I wasn’t one of them, but I don’t see the need to panic.
In most of the UK, the virus just isn’t there to spread.
You do know how this goes don't you? Doubling rates every week (maybe less as lockdown is lifted) vs halving rates every 4 weeks. Dithering and delay in taking tough decisions creating 25,000 dead people. Let the ****ing bodies pile up, lest we forget what was said.
- We don't yet know how widespread because we have a 1-2 week lag in infection to showing up; AST does cover some of that but not all, and AST doesn't show variant spread
- We don't yet know whether the vaccine will contain the Indian variant (vindaflu might stick) and whether that is reduced infection, reduced hospitalization, reduced mortality....etc.
- IF and IF - but a bad answer to both of those above and we could put ourselves in a world of pain again pretty quickly.
Conversely - as said above the impact of another delay on those that have invested to finally reopen needs consideration. How to balance and / or mitigate the risk-reward.
No-one is quite yet calling panic, just a reminder that overcaution is the lesser of the evils.
I hope we aren't calling panic 2-3 weeks from now.
I wasn’t one of them, but I don’t see the need to panic.
In most of the UK, the virus just isn’t there to spread.
Surely we are now at a point where those who want to stay home and take extreme precautions can, and those who don’t can take their chances.
I don't see the need to panic either.
But the virus is there to spread, and it's spreading. 100+ students and staff at a local secondary school a couple of weeks ago, the whole school closed, subsequent transmission put us top of the national league for infections.
And it wasn't the Indian variant.
The trouble is, the actions of people who choose to do their own thing impacts everyone else. Every person who needs NHS treatment either now, or longer term with long Covid, is delaying someone else's hip replacement or whatever. Every time the virus transmits from person to person it can mutate, and it might be a change that vaccines can't deal with.
This news is both heart warming and welcome at this time:
COVID-19 infections in adults of all ages fell by 80% five weeks after receiving the first dose of the Pfizer, Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccine, a new study shows.
The research, which focused on 13.7 million people who had been vaccinated across Italy, was conducted by Italy's National Institute of Health (ISS) and the Ministry of Health.
An analysis of data showed that the risk of COVID-19 infection, hospitalisation and death decreased progressively within two weeks of receiving the first dose.
Scientists began collating data in December, when the country's vaccination campaign began.
"As of 35 days after the first dose, there is an 80% reduction in infections, 90% reduction in hospitalisations, and 95% reduction in deaths," the ISS said.
The pattern was seen in men and women regardless of age.
..but should not be an excuse for reckless behaviour - there is still danger, we still have many non vaccinated family, friends and colleagues and Long Covid in adults or children is not necessarily fully understood. We should be limited the possibility of infection as much as possible.
But the virus is there to spread, and it’s spreading. 100+ students and staff at a local secondary school a couple of weeks ago, the whole school closed, subsequent transmission put us top of the national league for infections.
But not everyone lives or works in a virus-ridden urban hellhole. Maybe that is why most of you here, and the government and the scientists and SAGE and so on, seem so overcautious to many of us who don’t.
I live in an area where the virus never really arrived, living a life where I am unlikely to be exposed to it anyway, and I am sick of complying with restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks which are almost completely pointless for us out here.
Yes, we’re lucky, and yes, it could still easily be brought here from the cities. But even then the risk of it spreading widely is tiny.
I’m convinced the risk of catching Covid around here even at the height of the epidemic was lower than it will ever be in the big cities even after full vaccination. It’s using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
So thank goodness we’re almost out the other end.
But not everyone lives or works in a virus-ridden urban hellhole
Well, so long as you are OK then, eh? I do hope no ill urban dwellers are clogging up your nearest hospital when you need urgent treatment.
Would have though suppressing transmission would be better served by increasing first dose delivery for the under 30s where much of the transmission is.
JCVI expert dealt with this one this morning. We know that the vaccines are very good at preventing death, good at preventing hospitalisation, OK at preventing symptomatic illness, and have some effect on transmissions. That's evidence gathered against the Kent variant.
New variant is more transmissible, and the benefits of the vaccine are eroded from the bottom up. First thing to go would be any protection against transmission. Obviously we don't yet know how much impact there is on the higher-end stuff - preventing death/hospitalisation, but for this purpose you have to assume that vaccines would still be pretty effective at this.
So, in a situation where 99% of deaths are in the over 50s or clinically vulnerable, the best 'bang for buck' from vaccination remains boosting their immunity with a second dose, or chasing up people who've been missed so far.
I'm very keen to see the lower-30s get their first dose, and hopefully bringing forward second doses will not greatly affect the delivery of first doses to younger people.
It's definitely not time to panic, and I'm hopeful that while we will see a spike in infections as this variant becomes dominant, it won't get translated into substantial mortality/morbidity. I think this may well be the diminishing pattern for a while yet.
It’s also not one ‘pot’ of vaccines being rolled out. AZ is going to be mostly targeted at 2nd shots for over 40s (well, over 50s right now) and the other vaccines targeted more at 1st shots. We are in the fantastic position of being able to keep rolling out vaccines to younger people, and bring forward the 2nd jabs for many older people (although I’m not sure doing the latter is such a big deal really).
Hospitalisations are already increasing in areas with rising infections, and infections are likely to rise faster, and spread further, in the next few weeks, given what has been observed of the new variants in other countries, and our unwillingness to adapt our route out of lockdown accordingly. This won’t stay in “urban hellholes” either.
inner-city oiks
Nice.
Do you include all inner city folks in that. Those that keep the buses and supermarkets and even hospitals going and can't afford to live out in your nice rural areas and commute in? The multigenerational families that culturally are at the higher risk, because their kids go to school and pick it up and then pass it on to the parents and grannies?
Yes, we are nearly out the other side, why would we risk going back in?
why would we risk going back in?
Political capitalism and short term economic gain.
inner-city oiks
Nice.
The irony being the village FB group here is having a crisis at the number of near misses people are having with deer crossing the road when commuting home from the "inner city virus ridden hellholes" where they work.
inner-city oiks
Do you include all inner city folks in that. Those that keep the buses and supermarkets and even hospitals going and can’t afford to live out in your nice rural areas and commute in? The multigenerational families that culturally are at the higher risk, because their kids go to school and pick it up and then pass it on to the parents and grannies?
Apart from just lightening up, how about you quote me right? I said "irresponsible inner-city oiks". Big difference!
As for the idea of citydwellers being unable to afford to live here in the sticks, I think you'll find it is generally the other way around.
Multigenerational families - yes, very woke, but surely most will have had it by now? And isn't the big risk there that they aren't getting vaccinated? Which is their choice? Is it not time for some individual responsibility?
We've all had to suffer for the greater good for well over a year. Now it is time to chill out. Even the politicians think so.
Dispatches from Sunny Spain.
Senora DoD got her first moderna jab this morning, done in 5 mins from rocking up at the door,with a recommended 30 mins sit in seat before leaving and given a paper with date and same place same time on it for dose 2.(4 weeks time)
(If you hadn’t been phone called you weren’t getting it)
No dramas although they did a quick look at her papers (padron,health insurance,vaccine booking system receipt).
Side effect is she now speaks fluent Spanish 🙂
Senor DoD awaits his call up in the week for 50s-55s for jab next Sat/Fri.
Even the politicians think so.
The same politicians who have been repeatedly late to act, costing us thousands of lives, dooming us to avoidable long restrictions on our liberties, wreaking havoc on our education and health systems, and temporarily putting our economy into a record breaking economic downturn? Those politicians?
Now it is time to chill out. Even the politicians think so.
Thats right "Let the bodies pile up" attitude for you and them.
Side effect is she now speaks fluent Spanish
If only it was that easy! I’ll take any second language in jab form please.
The same politicians who have been repeatedly late to act, costing us thousands of lives, dooming us to avoidable long restrictions on our liberties, wreaking havoc on our education and health systems, and temporarily wrecking our economy?
Thats right “Let the bodies pile up” attitude for you and them.
Rolls eyes...
Not everybody in the UK lives in England. But either way, yes, the politicians you voted for, whichever party it was.
Chilling out doesn't have to mean going out and coughing on random strangers, you know? It can just mean sensibly getting on with life at minimal risk to yourself or others. Which is very easy to do around here.
how about you quote me right? I said “irresponsible inner-city oiks”. Big difference!
I saw what you posted, and also that you didn't just say irresponsible oiks. I think I heard your dog whistle just fine.
I'm beyond debating with you. I've tried to give benefit of the doubt, defended the right to have a different opinion as recently as today, despite having reservations. I think you've just used up the last of the runway for me.
OK folks, if we get local lockdowns and our pubs shut we know what to do. All down to Chrispo's place where they are still open.
I pop in here for a chuckle at regular intervals. I always find myself in an odd halfway house between guys like Chrispo, and the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown (apart from the proles making stuff and bringing it to them, obvs).
I live in a small Lancs village but work in one of those urban hellholes in NW England. I signed up as a postie three months before Covid hit...yeah, makes me laugh, too. No lockdown for us, we just got to work like ****s for the last 14 months delivering your essential purchases. Some got sick in our office, most of us (I suspect) had it asymptomatically. Nobody died, nobody with long term effects apart from the usual malingering suspects that infest Royal Mail. As a fit, healthy 54 year old I assessed the risks....and chose to work 50+ hour weeks in a comically non-Covid secure workplace, saving a sh!tload of money while scratching my head over the way people round me were collectively losing their sh!t.
I've a mate who's a consultant at Derby General so I absolutely understand what's going on. There are so many easy wins it'd be criminal not to take them: masks, distancing, vaccination, effective border control, restricting the foreign jollies some of you lot seem to think you have a right to.
But equally, there's a lot of the quiet bigotry of low expectations in this place. It's not all down to politicians, I've witnessed so much grade A f@ckwittery on the dodgier Merseyside estates I deliver to (and amongst my colleagues...) that I now just follow my own compass, and observe events round me with detached interest. Life's a bit more risky, but it's manageable risk with a bit of common sense and consideration. Time to nut up and get on with it.
Is it proven that the Indian Variant only affects your naan? (Sorry, not sorry)
There are so many easy wins it’d be criminal not to take them
Agreed.
proposing Total Lockdown
Most people want to avoid another lock down, total or otherwise. I haven’t read anyone proposing otherwise. Questioning the removing of measures like masks in classrooms on Monday isn’t about calling for schools to be shut, for example, but quite the opposite… keep more of them open by keeping the “easy wins” in place while we get more people vaccinated and contain new variants. We want to keep “opening up” while also taking the measures we can to reduce transmission in the coming weeks. And, because of the nature of the pandemic, these measures require government action to be coordinated and effective. They can’t be left to “individual responsibility” as we “nut up and get on with it”, unfortunately.
the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown
Source?
I'm not seeing any of that behaviour in this thread .
There are so many easy wins it’d be criminal not to take them: masks, distancing, vaccination,
ventilation. Don't close the windows, Monty. 😉
A good addition Ed.
A point for discussion shared via posting some twittering, sorry…
https://twitter.com/bowx313/status/1393250827167584262?s=21
https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1393250743637925888?s=21
https://twitter.com/stewartwood/status/1393258159045849092?s=21
https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1393615797231230984?s=21
Ventilation would be good, Ed, but I spend the first couple of hours of each working day in a crowded warehouse with people who seem to regard masks as optional, and a spineless management incapable of enforcing it. If I was an obese nonagenarian I might give a sh!t.
Source? There's been plenty of that of that on here, requiring no little fist biting on my part when I dip in.
As far as teaching and masks - my 52 year old sister is a postoral LDA at Bolton Community College, mentoring 16-18 year old trainee construction students. Yeah, good, eh? The white lads are sharing cans of Monster, while the Asian students are holding hands and hugging outside the mosques - all while she's disinfecting classroom spaces and wiping down desks. She's like me, doing her best personally while deriving no little amusement from the general situation. Oh how we laugh when we swap work stories.
the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown (apart from the proles making stuff and bringing it to them, obvs).
I find that ****ing offensive on a number of levels - starting with the inverse snobbery, the assumption that those of us proposing caution are paranoid, the complete lie that people are proposing total lockdown. Not just poor folk are key workers and been putting themselves on the line throughout this crisis you know.
In fact - because I agree with everything you wrote about the easy wins and the lack of personal responsibility by some - I'm more inclined to think you were trolling and I was an idiot to be suckered in to it.
Borders and the U.K. now that’s an oxymoron.
The advantage of being an island was the first thing they ... fkd right up from start.
I live in an area where the virus never really arrived, living a life where I am unlikely to be exposed to it anyway, and I am sick of complying with restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks which are almost completely pointless for us out here.
I quoted this bit because it made me laugh the most. Your whole post is absolutely ridiculous. The idea that the rules are aimed at "irresponsible inner-city oiks" as if people who live in rural areas are saints is so laughable. I could rip your post about more but i figure its best to just laugh at you.
I pop in here for a chuckle at regular intervals. I always find myself in an odd halfway house between guys like Chrispo, and the dominant STW clique cowering in their furlough bunkers, disinfecting their weekly online shops and proposing Total Lockdown (apart from the proles making stuff and bringing it to them, obvs).
Totally agree that is the dominant sentiment in here. Some here appear to live in their own covid secure bubble rather than the real world. The majority of people I know and have met over the last few months are ready to get on with life.
I am sick of complying with restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks
Speaking as someone who has had covid you come across as a right ****ing ****
as if people who live in rural areas are saints is so laughable
Oh, come on. Did I say that? I imagine all age groups in all areas are equally good/bad. But it is in the cities, among the young, where it matters most. Out here there is so much space and no virus, so not the same need for precautions.
Speaking as someone who has had covid you come across as a right * *
I haven’t had Covid AFAIK. But if you mean that you have, then I wouldn’t wear it as a badge of honour.
I’m beyond debating with you. I’ve tried to give benefit of the doubt, defended the right to have a different opinion as recently as today, despite having reservations. I think you’ve just used up the last of the runway for me.
Oh, I’m such a naughty schoolboy. Straight to the back of the class because I still haven’t come round to your point of view. Yet it’s fine that you haven’t come round to mine?
Oh, I’m such a naughty schoolboy
No problem with your different point of view. It's the smug attitude and rude dismissal of other opinions when you put it across.
Yet it’s fine that you haven’t come round to mine?
I can't work out if you are a bigot or a troll or both. But no, I've defended your right to a different opinion until your dog whistle confirmed what I suspected. So no, call me 'woke' as much as you like, I won't be coming round to your way of thinking.
Some of us on here have had no choice but to be one/two steps more paranoid than most others.
When your partner has had cancer and then gets a letter from the Nhs saying to shield, you take that seriously.
To all the bell ends on here (of which there are few, thank god) try walking a mile in somebody else’s shoes, you selfish ****s
Dog whistle? Bigot?! Not a clue.
smug attitude and rude dismissal of other opinions
I think you’re just not getting my sense of humour. I routinely send up both sides. Don’t take me so seriously. I can’t put smileys next to everything.
To all the bell ends on here (of which there are few, thank god) try walking a mile in somebody else’s shoes, you selfish ****
Aimed at me? What do you know about my shoes? And it goes both ways, which was kind of my point. It’s all too easy for all of us to look at it only based on our own situation, whether that be urban or rural, young or old, shielding or not. Two sides to every story. No absolute right and wrong.
Only if you want it to be, Chrispo.
It was aimed at the poster who was taking the piss out of us ‘paranoid’ ones, show some compassion for f’s sake!
Don’t take me so seriously.
Just try posting in good faith, rather than trying to wind people up. Again.
ah, the Edinburgh defence. For the second or third time in a relatively short time here.
(incidentally, when you click on a forum user's name it takes you to profile and tells you how long they've been a member for, what threads they have created and posted in, etc. Some dump you out to the front page? Why?)
I think he can fight his own corner but I doubt it was aimed at those with a genuine reason to be extra cautious.
I think it’s more the doom and gloom merchants who greet every slight relaxation of the rules as the beginning of the end.
I remember when my wife had chemo and trying to stop her picking up any infections. It was very stressful. Wish you all the best.
Fair enough, Chrispo and thank you.
ah, the Edinburgh defence.
Ah, the point of order to shut down any debate.
Ten years next week. Very few.
Off to bed now though. Sleep tight.
edit - deleted, I said i wasn't going to spend more time on this.
Laughing at the "inner city oik" chat where Moray is a hotbed of covid in Scotland. A region famed for its population density.....
(Its 110 per sq mile...)
Complacency coupled with humans thinking it will never be me as I live in the middle of nowhere
Article about those that ignore facts and choose what to believe based on what they want to believe
In short, claims just a handful of highly influential individuals responsible for the majority disinformation spread
Oh, come on. Did I say that?
Basically yes. A direct quote "restrictions aimed at irresponsible inner-city oiks." Saying this suggested that restrictions were not also "aimed at" (lets also say formed / created / put in place) people who live in rural areas because again direct quote are "completely pointless for us out here." So are you saying rules on household gatherings, eating inside in restaurants, mass gathers at a sports event, limits on how far people can travel, or even closing school was "completely pointless" for those in rural areas?
Its a simple yes or no. If you think those rules are "completely pointless" for people in rural areas.... well... you're clearly wrong and your statement is massively incorrect.
As an fyi im one of the "inner-city oiks" so find your post a little offensive but mostly funny so wanted to poke holes at your extremely thin argument.