The WFH statement seems pointless unless it’s enforced. You can only work from home if your employer allows you to…
My employer has spent thousands on ‘covid-safing’ the offices in order to bring people back in to the office. Letting them stay at home would have been cheaper and safer
UK Health and Safety law as good as makes it mandatory. The official guidance is now work at home unless essential. So if folk got CV19 at work, the employer would need to demonstrate that they had applied relevant guidance or if not demonstrated their arrangements were just as robust.
The guidance as it is now will let decent business sort it out and get the right balance. Obviously shoddy business will continue to be shoddy but at the risk of getting sued. The next load of ambulance chasing will be "Did YOU get CV at work? Call Personal Injury R Us...".
He's self isolating anyhow and a test won't change that, Kelvin. And I really fail to see the difference between a teacher and an office worker. Both businesses and schools want enough staff to stay open and neither want anyone taking the virus in.
A teacher getting a test could mean either one more teacher in school keeping that school open, or, more importantly, a teacher not taking the virus into a school.
A positive or negative test wont change my situation or the situation of anyone else so what would be the point?
A positive or negative test wont change my situation or the situation of anyone else so what would be the point?
It definitely will.
There are a lot of coughs and colds going around the schools at the moment and due to the shortage of tests a lot of parents are just assuming their child doesn’t have Covid, especially where a classmate has a negative test result. If a teacher/child in the school gets a positive then this should massively increase the index of suspicion for Covid and encourage everyone to get a test who has symptoms.
A positive or negative test wont change my situation or the situation of anyone else so what would be the point?
Well, if your school knew (to a reasonable level of error) that you didn't have it before you started isolating, then they can act as if you didn't have it while on school premises. You might have to now act as if you have it come what may... but the actions of the school should be different based on when/if you tested positive.
And I really fail to see the difference between a teacher and an office worker.
I'm out.
How out of touch with reality the government really is has just been underlined on Five Live
A Tory MP has just asserted that the pubs are being shut at 10pm because then everybody will just go home. When it was pointed out that maybe they wouldn't go home, but pile round to each others houses instead so they could carry on drinking, her reaction showed that that eventuality had never even entered her head.
****ing clueless!
the actions of the school should be different based on when/if you tested positive.
How would the school act differently? The head is aware of the situation and I asked if they wanted me to try and get tested.
I understand your point of view and in an ideal situation contacts should be tested regardless but they are not. Thems the rules, I dont like them but thats it. Anyway I'm off out on the turbo, speak later!
Contacts shouldn’t be tested ‘regardless’… but school staff, just like care home staff and hospital staff, should be, when they have been in contact with people outside that have tested positive. Schools need to have some idea whether the virus has been brought on site by the close contact of a positively tested person.
This is no criticism of you AA, it is simply repeating what the government said about using testing to help keep schools ‘COVID safe’ when everyone was back to being onsite. They need to target the testing available to deliver what they promised, or schools will struggle more than necessary to stay open.
And I really fail to see the difference between a teacher and an office worker.
Oh my god.
Teachers are in small rooms with up to 30 kids who are not socially distancing.
I teach 80 students a week. In the corridors alone, I am in close proximity to 100's of kids who don't wear masks.
binners, that was Dr Caroline Johnson - my MP; a hospital consultant. I hope she's a better consultant than she is an MP.
I have emailed her regarding the CV19 testing farce asking her to respond in either her capacity as my elected representative or as a public heath professional.
Predictably, no response.
If a response does drop into my inbox, I'll post it here.
binners, that was Dr Caroline Johnson – my MP; a hospital consultant. I hope she’s a better consultant than she is an MP.
She's just been absolutely savaged by Emma Barnett.
She stated confidently that everyone was entitled to some sort of furlough. She then had it pointed out to her repeatedly that there are over 4 million people (I'm one of them) who are entitled to nothing at all. She said that she was unaware of this. The scary thing was that she wasn't bullshitting. It was obvious that this was the first she'd heard about it. 4 million+ taxpayers have had no income since March and absolutely no government help, and this was clearly news to her.
She then got very sniffy when it was pointed out to her that as an MP, maybe she should indeed be aware of this and not be making bold statements to the contrary
Seems my original assumption was right.... ****ing clueless!
This is no criticism of you AA, it is simply repeating what the government said about using testing to help keep schools ‘COVID safe’ when everyone was back to being onsite. They need to target the testing available to deliver what they promised, or schools will struggle more than necessary to stay open.
And just think, if the government prioritised the testing - both availability and turnaround - for key workers like this - then AA could already be back in front of a class.
Johnson is busy turning himself inside out at PMQs as regards COVID-19… he needs to stick to delivering what’s written in advance for him… he can’t answer any questions on anything, can he?
How would the school act differently? The head is aware of the situation and I asked if they wanted me to try and get tested.
I understand your point of view and in an ideal situation contacts should be tested regardless but they are not. Thems the rules, I dont like them but thats it. Anyway I’m off out on the turbo, speak later!
“Thems the rules”.....devised by bozos for bozos!
I think if you can’t/don’t want to get a test then you have to assume you have Covid based on your misses positive result and the fact you now have similar symptoms.
That being the case the school should really inform the parents of all the kids in your classes (and maybe even the whole year/school) that you most likely have Covid. This would hopefully ensure that any minor sniffles are not dismissed and the kids you have come into contact with have a much lower threshold for getting a test/isolating.
Contacts shouldn’t be tested ‘regardless’… but school staff, just like care home staff and hospital staff, should be
I agree.
And just think, if the government prioritised the testing – both availability and turnaround – for key workers like this – then AA could already be back in front of a class.
I dont think this is the case, I'm grounded regardless, this is because the infectious window is bigger than the testing window. I could have tested negative on monday gone to work wednesday and then be able to then test positive thursday.
“Thems the rules”…..devised by bozos for bozos!
If you cant be civil feel free to **** off!
Not directed at you AA, just saying the rules aren’t the best.
Ok apology accepted, tired grump and bored, sorry
Understandable.
Good interview from a lab in World At One just now... take away is... why the hell aren't we doing pooled testing (as TiRed suggests for classes)?!?
P-Jay, that’s a sobering tale, thanks for sharing it.
The assertion that over 80% of people will have it without even realising is quite startling, is that an actual fact, or do we not have the absolute proof yet…?
Please forgive the naïve question…
There is no absolute proof of much when it comes to Covid, it's just so new. It will be years before there are many really established facts and even then they'll be in review..
According to WHO and the Nursing Times more than 80% of people who have been infected with Covid will show either no symptoms at all, or such mild symptoms they could be disregarded as a cold / lack of sleep, a hangover even DOMs.
In adults it's young Women between 18 and early 40s who are the mostly likely to show no symptoms. They will all be contagious to some level, for some time, but there is a coloration between symptoms and contagion because "coughs and sneezes spread diseases" and if you have a mild fever you're obviously sweating so more likely to leave it when your hands are etc.
The problem is that 'we' don't have a 100% accurate Covid test, but it's not bad, we don't have a very reliable test to know if you've had it, the Antibody test can confirm you've had it. but a negative test don't prove you didn't at all.
No one 'really' knows how dangerous Covid to the population as a whole, but obviously we know how dangerous it is on an individual level because it's killed nearly 1m people.
So, lets say 40% of carriers have no idea, another 40% may think "it's only a cold" or just ignore it as something 'normal'. And it's possible to transmit it, even before symptoms show themselves and that is why it managed to reach every corner of the globe and why it's so important to Social Distance, Wear a mask, wash hands etc - it's entirely possible for 1 person with covid to infect another, a week later that person infects someone else and down the line 6 more times before it reaches the 7th person in the link so gets really sick.
The weak as piss measures are the result of political calculations, most likely by Dumb Dom himself.
They are trying to give the populace enough rope again, so stricter measures can be phased in. And they are hoping it can be done with some clickbaity stories about illegal house parties to portray themselves as the reluctant parent having to discipline the unruly kids.
It is a strange way to fight a pandemic, but not when you look at who is in charge.
They are trying to give the populace enough rope again, so stricter measures can be phased in.
And with that, it then means when the economy tanks and job losses are through the roof, then it was the populous to blame and not the government.
Buck passing you say? Who'd have thunk it. Get ready for... "companies should have been preparing for this mess we've created, even in the middle of a pandemic we failed to keep under control"... in just three months time. Wrong thread? Sorry. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all.
Wrong thread? Sorry.
It is all one big 'life-thread' of ****erdom when you think about it.
So cases starting to rise, and hospitalisations following as predicted.
How long until we run out of PPE again? I have ZERO faith that we have sensibly stockpiled for the winter.
I have ZERO faith that we have sensibly stockpiled for the winter.
I suspect that what awaits us now is groundhog day as all the mistakes from February onwards are repeated in the same order
I wish you were wrong, but..........
No one ‘really’ knows how dangerous Covid to the population as a whole, but obviously we know how dangerous it is on an individual level because it’s killed nearly 1m people.
That's about the size of it. Watching Squire Swayne of New Forest West on the TV this morning he seemed to be of the opinion we should have just had a herd by infection blitz in the summer. As ever my view is the whole death or wellness is overly simplistic. There is much made of the economic, psychological and social damage of measures to disrupt transmission chains. There will be a lot economic, psychological and social damage cause by unchecked infection. I think we could assume that if infection is running rampant at some point people become very scared or super cautious and go into isolation themselves. Then we are at lots of dead or debilitated and severe economic shock.
In short no or low damage solution despite what the earnest excuse brigade seem to think.
Another large leap in cases today 6,178
Daily deaths have doubled to 34 as well...
I suspect that what awaits us now is groundhog day as all the mistakes from February onwards are repeated in the same order
Don't worry - the odds are on there being a whole host of new and exiting mistakes for us to watch being made, not just all the previous ones all over.
How long until we run out of PPE again? I have ZERO faith that we have sensibly stockpiled for the winter.
There are plenty of thrusting, buccaneering new companies on the radio offering PPE for a price.
Where there's money to be made....
So what’s this about? 48hrs and still no test for junior. Yet my Mrs bumped into a friend of hers who’s an NhS manager. She says most of the test sites down south are empty of people, and they’ve bags of tests ready to go.
Wtf?
I suspect that what awaits us now is groundhog day as all the mistakes from February onwards are repeated in the same order
Worth repeating. We’ll still hear ‘unprecedented’ plenty of times, and the suggestion that no one warned of, or expected, this second spike. We should still avoid the worst of the damage and deaths though, because no matter what the donkeys in charge get wrong, the medical profession is now far more prepared for this, and more members of the public know not to wait for the government to act to do what is required of them at work, home and play.
Kryton, regrettably there's nothing unusual in that; I posted up there ^^^ about my experience of trying to book a test anywhere within a reasonable distance of Lincoln.
Email your local MP to express your concern but don't expect much by way of a response; I'm still waiting for my MP, a hospital consultant, or one of her staff to respond to me.
Whoop, got a test booked tomorrow midday for me and Jnr. Although I'm not looking forward to it now, more for his schools/benefit.
An odd feeling though because if one of us tests positive, both kids are off school for two weeks and I'm not racing next weekend.
Down the throat until you gag then wiggle around a bit; after that, waaay up your nose for a 10 count.
Can you guys settle a debate for me. Now 14 days from the contacts first symptoms would include 2nd. But it says isolate until 2nd to me that means out of jail on 2nd, go to work that day. Views?
As you have been identified as a contact of someone who has recently tested positive for COVID-19, you must now self-isolate as soon as possible and stay at home until 2nd of October. You must do this even if you do not have symptoms or you get tested and receive a negative result. This is because you may still be infectious with COVID-19. The link below contains more information.
Good luck Kryton, fingers crossed its negative. What race you doing?
Well I've been out for a beer for the first ****ing time this year.... Got one I have no useful contribution to make. I hummed and hawed all day.. . Should I go? One mate, 11 months since I'd had a beer in a pub with mates (young family intervenes) it feels good. Maybe everyone should get a ration book of passes. You can have a small social once a month, hand your ticket in at the bar.
Right, back to lock down now... I can do this for a winter
Good luck Kryton, fingers crossed its negative. What race you doing?
Thanks. Im confident it is negative, Jnr is much better today. A Gorrick 3hr on Saturday.
Whoop, got a test booked tomorrow midday for me and Jnr. Although I’m not looking forward to it now, more for his schools/benefit.
Its no biggie dude I have done it twice. Yes its a little uncomfortable but its all over in like a minute.
From The Times on wednesday...
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1308673213254299648?s=20
So much for following the science.
It’ll be evidence from the nudge group, not evidence provided on whether it’ll affect transmission directly.
Nudge to further restrictions in preparation for further restrictions.
Rather than just being honest and trustworthy, which they don’t know how to do.
And suddenly an app appears!
Took my daughter for a Covid test on Tuesday, she’s asthmatic, was poorly last week and developed a cough over the weekend. Doctor recommended the test.
We live in Bedfordshire, fairly rural but MK, Bedford and Northampton all reasonably close.
I made the request online, offered at least 6 walk-in centres within 10 miles and 2 drive in centres, within 30. All same day appointments with plenty of options. Really easy to book, we opted for drive in 22 miles away. Upon arrival it was really well organised. We were there about 20 mins, got there about 15 mins before our appt and were seen straight away. She’s 11 so I had to do her test. No other cars came in for a test while we were there.
Got her results back yesterday morning at 10am (negative). Her test was at 3pm the day before. I’m actually very impressed with the entire process.
Other areas appear to be different. But I found organising and taking the test easier than trying to speak to the GP.
It’ll be evidence from the nudge group, not evidence provided on whether it’ll affect transmission directly.
Nudge to further restrictions in preparation for further restrictions.
Rather than just being honest and trustworthy, which they don’t know how to do.
This.
These prats in 'government' know how ineptly they have been handling this, so they've resorted to giving the populace enough rope again. They are more concerned about the politics than the virus.
