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A snippet of a podcast I subscribe to gives you an idea of the 'anti' crowd perspective...
No sign of journalism there, just the usual tropes. Yawn.
theotherjonv
Full MemberYeah, but it was overexaggerated wasn’t it. I mean some folks were talking about quarter to half a million deaths, and we’ve only had 130,000.
Without lockdowns and intervention, yeah. This is just the same sad thing again, people correctly predicted a disaster unless we acted, so we acted to prevent it, and now people say "yeah but you exaggerated it, it wasn't as bad as you said".
In fact it went a lot worse, in the UK, than most predictions thought it would with lockdowns etc, and it was so so close to being worse, we went for huge spells within a bawhair of completely overflowing the health system and dodged it mostly by luck. And so even with all the interventions and lockdowns we still ended up more than halfway towards the "what if we don't act" worse case scenarios. That should prove to you just how important it was to act, and that it wasn't exaggerated at all.
"If you ride into that tree, it'll be really bad, so we've put up a crash mat" "Well I rode into that crash mat and it wasn't that bad at all, you were exaggerating the danger"
No sign of journalism there, just the usual tropes. Yawn.
Yes the usual tropes of COVID denying, anti-vax, conspiracy theory bullshit that may be boring but it is fascinating how the two idiots interviewed had either completely deluded themselves or been deluded by others.
I’m not going near that link!
I’ll end up punching the screen - that kind of insane denial really triggers me...
On the subject of social mixing and outbreaks what's people's opinion of gyms? My head says it's not a good idea but I have a damaged shoulder due to a crash and I need to do exercises to keep it working correctly. I've tried to do exercises at hoe but it's not good enough (mainly due to cantbearseditis) and now my old gym is back open with a no fee rejoin offer and the first month half price. It's a 24hr gym so I can go in the night and avoid the crowds but I'm really worried that cleanliness won't be as good as it should and that I'm putting myself at risk of picking it up and taking it to may parents (we've all had our first jabs).
Thoughts?
I've just started going back to my gym (Pure gym) and the cleanliness seems good. They're doing a deep clean every night, and every piece of equipment gets cleaned down after every use by the user with anti bac wipes and pretty much everyone seemed to be doing this. Every other piece of equipment was closed off so you're never that close to anyone else.
No sign of journalism there
If people thought they were off the record and a pre-decided angle, then agreed. I still find it interesting though.
RJ - my thoughts, please note these will not align with many posters in this thread:
the gym is legally open.
the risk of you 'catching' covid from gym eqpt which hasnt been sanitised to death is really really small.
the risk of you catching it in a packed spin class would be somewhat higher (but not because someone forgot to antibac your saddle and grips)
seems you are able to minimise your risk by visiting during quieter periods, cleaning your own equipment..... so thats positive.
if you are concerned about taking it to your parents - stop seeing them till its all clear, or revisit your homegym cantbearseditis or a really difficult to manage scenario, dont visit your parents after going to the gym without some period of self observation/isolation.
Even though some people may say 'oh but things didn't turn out too bad', need to also look at the nhs and it's workers. So many staff were absolutely on their knees. Juggling all sorts of jobs, working extra hours and now many are wanting to leave, have left or will leave soon as soon as it's possible.
There they were clapping at the beginning and coming across as caring souls.
From the SoundCloud ^above, transcribed faithfully -
"Ignore it all, it's all bullshit, we should never have gone into lockdown.
First of all, isolate the virus, show me the virus - there is not an isolated virus, you can't catch a virus, a virus is an exudation(sp?) of cellular matter from a cell, from a toxic cell, so, can't catch a virus.
Secondly, if this is a pandemic then show me the bodies. Where are the bodies? Where are the hearses going past you every single day? Where are the funeral owners overrun? Where are the bodies? It's bullshit.
We're being herded like sheep towards the sheep-dip, to get our dip which is the vaccination. So, that's a gene altering therapy, it's not actually a vaccination it's a treatment, and i would council anybody not to do that, because that's essentially chemical control...
And possibly even more than chemical control, because there's an element in it called 'luciferase'(sp?) which is a tracking device, so if you look at what tracks tracking devices, you've got to look at electro-magnetic stuff. And then you've got to look at the 5G roll-out, and what's been going on while we've been in lockdown, why there's suddenly masts everywhere that weren't there before.
So yeah there's a helluva lot going on..."
Unpack that.
^^ Just listened to a bit of it and inevitably after the horse sh*t you transcribed there she inevitably came to the "do your own research" mantra.
Terrifying to think there are people like this out there amongst us. Just how do they get their mind into a place like that?
At a a guess by "doing their own research" on FB and Qanon etc...
Those thinking of doing things indoors such as gym might be interested in some Colorado university research shown on France 3. I've Googled and can't find it but rewatched it on replay to make sure I heard right:
Six people in a closed room one who has Covid. After four hours the other five are contaminated. If they all wear a mask 4/5 are contaminated after four hours. If they all wear masks and the room is ventilated then after two hours 1/5 is contaminated.
This backs up experience in French schools where both mask wearing and working windows open with classes of 50' has resulted in very low transmission, the school canteens are still are problem. In Madame's school they've put up up a tent to reduce density and improve air flow while they eat.
France 3 have also told us transmission outdoors is very low around 1/20 cases. Our local outdoor pool takes 360 people a day, people have reported cases notably in a swim club but there has been no transmission during sessions.
So I suggest people find a trim trail in a park or do some urban parcours stuff rather than go to the gym.
So I suggest people find a trim trail in a park or do some urban parcours stuff rather than go to the gym.
Why? Coronavirus is at the lowest level it's ever likely to be again, it's not going away. So are you suggesting we avoid the gym for the rest of our lives now?
Eldest was chuckling last night as someone he knows at college has had to isolate due to a potential positive contact. I had to remind him that his twice postponed driving test is tomorrow, and he'll be pretty pissed off if he gets that call today.
Daughters school now has a big chunk of Year 7 in isolation, and as I mentioned yesterday, a secondary school in Long Eaton is closed as so many were having to isolate. Not sure if any of my daughters gymnastics squad or their music centre are affected by that.
Surely they are going to have to look at vaccinating at least secondary school kids ahead of the September return, assuming trials go well of course.
Why? Coronavirus is at the lowest level it’s ever likely to be again, it’s not going away. So are you suggesting we avoid the gym for the rest of our lives now?
In the general sense, changing behaviour to manage risk is exactly what living with something typically implies.
Surely they are going to have to look at vaccinating at least secondary school kids ahead of the September return, assuming trials go well of course.
I hope so. They're wise not to be promising it so far out though.
In the general sense, changing behaviour to manage risk is exactly what living with something typically implies.
So should people never go to an indoor gym again? Living with it to me means accepting a level of risk in trade off for the things you want to do. Not avoiding them forever.
The situation won't be any better in a year's time than it is now.
the risk of you catching it in a packed spin class would be somewhat higher
I'd be avoiding spin classes come unlocking in Step 4. This is the population who are unvaccinated and may experience a surge in infections (but perhaps without the morbidity and mortality). The transmission in a spin class in Canada is off the scale high (R = 44!). Other indoor exercise will not produce anything like the transmission potential.
So should people never go to an indoor gym again? Living with it to me means accepting a level of risk in trade off for the things you want to do. Not avoiding them forever.
I'm holding off going to the gym until a bit more of the adult population has had its first dose. Yes, transmission risk is the lowest it's been for a while, and I'm vaccinated, so that's probably OTT, but that's my personal trade-off. Risk of serious illness to me is minimal, there is still the possibly of getting ill enough to wreck my summer!
I can understand if other people's threshold is lower, as long as they have made an informed choice. Apply your username to the gym you visit. 🙂 Ventilation is key for me in choosing where I'll go from now on.
So are you suggesting we avoid the gym for the rest of our lives now?
I've avoided it so far, its not got any more appealing...
What they said.
Struggling to see the issue with continuing to avoid gyms
What they said.
Struggling to see the issue with continuing to avoid gyms
dont want to go to one myself.
<semi-sarcastic> would like all the former gym goers to return (safely) and leave the outdoors to those of us who like it by choice, rather than reluctantly when it was the only option.
I’d be avoiding spin classes come unlocking in Step 4. This is the population who are unvaccinated and may experience a surge in infections (but perhaps without the morbidity and mortality). The transmission in a spin class in Canada is off the scale high (R = 44!). Other indoor exercise will not produce anything like the transmission potential.
*stupid question*
In this case, why aren't spin classes excluded from re-opening?
In this case, why aren’t spin classes excluded from re-opening?
You're aware of who is nominally 'in charge' of the country? That's why, he doesn't do detail just the populist stuff.
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Flaperon - There are no classes in gyms currently well in England at least, I would also be surprised if most regular gym users are not back.
i don't know what to think anymore...I need a media ban for my own mental health.
is this guy, what he said or some of what hes saying for real, nonsense, somewhere in the middle???
He's a pathologist, and I think he's become just a little too comfortable with death.
As a pathologist, I’ve spent more time staring death in the face than most. I have personally performed thousands of autopsies – and if they’ve taught me anything, it’s that while death is inevitable, it needn’t be terrifying.
He's definitely for real, and his argumentation needs to be taken at face value and debated, not ridiculed. I say that as (on balance) a lockdown supporter, but it is far more of a grey area than those that dismiss alternate views would have us believe.
We'll probably never know for sure how right or not he is. We can compare to other countries with different responses and extrapolate but that's all it is. This is happening right now, in the real world not in a lab, and there is no control experiment. Anyone that claims to <span style="text-decoration: underline;">absolutely</span> know our response is/was right is guessing.
The transmission in a spin class in Canada is off the scale high (R = 44!)
maybe cross over to Alaska or drop south of the border...
sorry TiRed, couldnt resist - quite aware this was for a specific spin class in a specific room at a specific time... 🙂
i don’t know what to think anymore…
Step 1 - stay the hell away from Ivor Cummins and any content he is sharing... he's a quack... a snake oil salesman... he is sharing attention grabbing content to help him sell his diet. Use more reputable sources of information.
Step 2 - anyone else who claimed, like Cummins, that the first wave ended last Spring due to "herd immunity" rather than because of reduced contact between people... don't listen to them or read/watch what they are sharing either.
We’ll probably never know for sure how right or not he is.
Isn't the core of his argument about quality of life vs. quantity of life? Which is a very subjective judgement even about the principle, let alone once you start trying to measure quality. So it's one for the philosophers to argue about. I happen to think that we focus excessively on delaying deaths without really considering whether we should or not, but as noted above it's a really tough call to make.
The swimming pool at Formby was shut this morning, due to several cases of C19.
I happen to think that we focus excessively on delaying deaths
During a pandemic like this, we focus on near term deaths as they are reasonably easily counted while the pandemic is ongoing, so are useful for gauging what the virus is doing and how we are dealing with it. If we had simply let everyone get the virus in a short time span, before vaccines were available, and not slowed its spread or sought to contain it, we'd not just be looking at hundreds of thousands of more deaths in that timespan, but longer term we'd being dealing with ill health (I'd say that was a key indicator of "quantity of life") on scale that could have been huge, but would have taken months/years to be fully quantified, if it was ever possible to do so.
I think Kelvin summed it up - quality v quantity of life is easy to choose at a short term individual level, but at a national, long-term level its an impossible choice. A year ago we didn't really know about long covid, its effects, duration or severity. We could have let 400,000 die and left another million or more with long-term health issues and reduced quality of life in the long term for the perceived short term benefits.
I happen to think that we focus excessively on delaying deaths without really considering whether we should or not, but as noted above it’s a really tough call to make.
Whilst this may have been the "headline-grabbing reason". It is not the principal reason for application of Non Pharmaceutic Interventions (NPIs). The fact is a failing healthcare service would have dramatic effects on overall morbidity and mortality, not just for the elderly. What will you do when there are no maternity beds available? Or A&E beds for accidents. The challenge is that ALL other healthcare scales linearly with population. Infectious diseases do not.
Do think we would really have had such drastic NPIs if we could have all taken a pill from the bathroom? That last happened in 2009. For the next one, we'll be MUCH better prepared.
Scientists have expressed concern that residual anxiety over coronavirus may have led some people to develop compulsive hygiene habits that could prevent them from reintegrating into the outside world, even though Covid hospitalisations and deaths in the UK are coming down.
The concept of “Covid anxiety syndrome” was first theorised by professors last year, when Ana Nikčević, of Kingston University, and Marcantonio Spada, at London South Bank University, noticed people were developing a particular set of traits in response to Covid.
I have a feeling that some people here may have developed this. Help and support should be available for these people to help them reintegrate into society.
I have a feeling that some people here may have developed this. Help and support should be available for these people to help them reintegrate into society.
Not sure if you mean it, are being patronising or just taking the piss.... 🤔
Not sure if you mean it, are being patronising or just taking the piss…. 🤔
I mean it, it's not good that some people don't feel able to get back to normal life. It's almost this mass PTSD and if healthcare doesn't get on top of it we will have bigger problems in the years to come. We're rubbish at mental health as it is though so not sure how it'll pan out.
(I’d say that was a key indicator of “quantity of life”)
I meant to copy and past "quality of life".... but grabbed the wrong bit of text... but it probably makes sense either way, because "how much" life someone gets isn't just about how many days they get to live for, but how many of those are healthy and can be lived well. Slowing the spread didn't just stop deaths, it kept people healthier... and now we're rolling out the vaccine, more of us will avoid ill health due to covid.
In addition, TiRed makes the point about impacts on all healthcare, if we'd just let the virus run through the population without intervention, and before we had vaccines. He's probably made the same point many, many times before. Such patience, and always stays calm and clear. How does he do it?!?
We’re rubbish at mental health as it is though so not sure how it’ll pan out.
Mental health is still the poorman of healthcare in the UK, and this has only got worse in recent years, especially for the young, as cuts have fallen hard on local authority support for schools and other institutions. We absolutely need to do more, spend more, prioritise more. And there will be many increased demands on services due to this pandemic... not just because of the restrictions we have had to use to control the spread of the virus... but also because of relatives and friends lost in awful circumstances, isolated in wards and homes, with tiny or no funerals... the depression brought on by long term illness and fatigue for many who "beat" the virus... if people genuinely appreciate the need for us all to look out for each other as regards mental illness, and for the government to put in the money desperately needed to increase the professional support available, then that's to be welcomed.
As regards getting "back to normal"... well the reason why some will take the next year to slowly get back to that isn't just about "anxiety", although surely there must, understandably if you are following world events, be plenty of that... but because caution seems wise to many. Supporting a steady phased return isn't a sign of problems, just awareness of what we are dealing with. There will be loads of opportunities to meet up and catch up this summer, but it won't quite be "normal", because many will have one eye on having a more "normal" winter 2021/22.
I see Formby swimming pool is an indoor pool, Bunnyhop, and they don't say if the cases are related to the gym and other facilities on site or the pool.
Our local outdoor pool has been open except for our periods of strict confinement. One of five operating for the whole of France though more Summer season pools are opening now. The protocol has worked. There was a cluster among the staff but it didn't result in any contamination of swimmers. 90 people per session so 12 swimmers for each 50m lane max but in reality I've never seen that as some people arrive for the start of the session and leave as others arrive.
Re anxiety - a colleague and I have been told - without being asked - we are to go to a 300 person conference in November.
Despite the fact it may never happen, both of us are concerned we’ve not been approached in a duty of care over that by our employer and neither of us want to go.
It’s a long way off. Don’t worry about it now.
As regards getting “back to normal”… well the reason why some will take the next year to slowly get back to that isn’t just about “anxiety”, although surely there must, understandably if you are following world events, be plenty of that… but because caution seems wise to many.
Nicely put. Yes, I have long standing pre Covid anxiety issues which I'm sure is a factor, but I don't actually feel the need to get back to "normal" in a hurry, I'm happy to wait a few months more for more of the population to be properly vaccinated before I go back to the office, pubs, restaurants, club rides etc
Fair play to anyone who wants to enjoy each new freedom as they are released. But the government has caused enough damage over the last year by relaxing things too soon. I think/hope they may be getting it right this time, but I'll wait it out a bit longer just to be sure that I'm not contributing to the problem* if it starts to go wrong.
*My kids attend schools which are having small outbreaks
^^ Sums up my thoughts perfectly.
https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1390037666213900290
Id really like to see more pressure applied to produce at cost and hopefully the above shifts the U.K. position as well.
There is the question of availability of ingredients/materials as well.
I’m happy to wait a few months more for more of the population to be properly vaccinated before I go back to the office, pubs, restaurants, club rides etc
Fair play to anyone who wants to enjoy each new freedom as they are released
You are very lucky to have a choice of not going back to office. Now I know this isn't you so don't take it as such but many seem to look down their noses at those who want to go to a pub or whatever but those people may well have been back at work for months or never even stopped working and so the additional risk for them is minimal. I have been surprised to see the local group road rides quiet with many wanting to wait until fully vaccinated, which is fair enough but it really brings it home how different many people's experiences of this pandemic has been. Riding my bike with six others doesn't even register as a risk for me, rightly or wrongly.
When all this is done I hope people look at the socio economic impacts of this and realise who the real key workers are in this country and show them a bit more respect and maybe pay them a bit more (and I don't mean teachers I mean the lady down the road who works in Tesco or the bus driver or postman or delivery driver)
In interesting news - Mrs K whose been redundant since last July - had applied for a part time vaccine coordinator role some months ago. Not hearing anything she set herself up as sole trader in the interim and has secured some contract work in software.
But last week she got contacted and was asked if she’d consider expanding the role to Vaccinator, getting the training paid for and basically the part time role becomes as “pick and choose” position, so she can agree periods of working for the NHS around any contract work she secured and vice versa. Things have moved fast, she starts training next week subject to a blood screening from a test she had yesterday.
I find it pleasantly unbelievable how flexible this is although in no doubt she be called upon during high demand, and how after the doom of redundancy last year she gets to earn some wages by helping out with the pandemic/endemic. All very fortunate and in a good cause!
Looks like very good news to me piemonster.
When all this is done I hope people look at the socio economic impacts of this and realise who the real key workers are in this country and show them a bit more respect and maybe pay them a bit more
I absolutely agree with this, but I fear the short term memory issue we have in this country has already kicked in.
Its blue envelope day.
And I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing the appointment is 2 days before I need to give a presentation to the Directors group.
But last week she got contacted and was asked if she’d consider expanding the role to Vaccinator, getting the training paid for and basically the part time role becomes as “pick and choose” position, so she can agree periods of working for the NHS around any contract work she secured and vice versa. Things have moved fast, she starts training next week subject to a blood screening from a test she had yesterday.
I find it pleasantly unbelievable how flexible this is although in no doubt she be called upon during high demand, and how after the doom of redundancy last year she gets to earn some wages by helping out with the pandemic/endemic. All very fortunate and in a good cause!
I'd imagine that the long term the onus of vaccinations will eventually be taken away from NHS staff, as they will be required to get back to their own work. My mrs did loads of testing shifts, then did her vaccinations courses, but never got a shift as there is massive over availability in vaccinators here now, loads of stories from her colleagues about having 17 vaccinators when they can only utilise 7. It's better that way than not enough folks though!.
Hopefully long term it'll be a covid/flu vaccine in on shot too.
Thats good for her Kryton - she'll enjoy it. Ive been working as a volunteer vaccinator with SJA and its great fun.
Today Ive also received a call up from the NHS for a final training session and paid work.
Id really like to see more pressure applied to produce at cost
love to see your cost model calcs for that.... but a nice theory.
...but many seem to look down their noses at those who want to go to a pub or whatever but those people may well have been back at work for months or never even stopped working and so the additional risk for them is minimal.
that. Im actually more keen that the hospitality industry survives and if that means being one of the first through the door as it reopens, im ok with that, someone else can support the fashion shops and hairdressers (ive got limits) sign me up for a flight soon as you like.
Got no problem with people going to pubs and staying within the rules while doing so, pubs need the business.
Disappointed that our two village pubs both now require pre-booking and door security, due to abuse and violence from people refusing to follow guidance on masks, distancing, exceeding the pubs safe capacity etc. I can look down on those type of pub goers? Cos I did pre Covid as well.
(Plus additional Police patrols requested after criminal damage to property and vehicles as those people wobbled there way back home afterwards, all beautifully caught on a variety of CCTV and shared on the village FB page)
Im actually more keen that the hospitality industry survives
Me to. We've lost most of our locals over the pandemic. Of course, the remaining ones probably won't make it through next winter, if we get this summer wrong and have to close them again because of another wave. Wrapping up warm and drinking outside will stay normal for me for a good few months yet I suspect. So good to have fresh beer on tap again, and sit around a table for pointless face to face chats.
love to see your cost model calcs for that…. but a nice theory.
No need to ask me, ask AstraZeneca
Im actually more keen that the hospitality industry survives
Me too. Been actively supporting takeaways from our favorite eat-in establishments all epidemic. I'm not a pub visitor as a rule, but one Gastro-pub near us has been frequented when they've opened their outdoor BBQ for the same reasons.
I’d imagine that the long term the onus of vaccinations will eventually be taken away from NHS staff, as they will be required to get back to their own work.
haha, like the thought of "getting back" to our own work. We're running vaccination sites "as well as" doing our own work. I'm a nurse and a HCA down today as they're out vaccinating. Tomorrow I loose a couple of admin staff and a doctor.
I think a lot of vaccination sites are slowly bringing onboard Non-HCP vaccinators, using a lower number of HCP's for supervision and consent. The real NHS work load is only growing.
haha, like the thought of “getting back” to our own work. We’re running vaccination sites “as well as” doing our own work. I’m a nurse and a HCA down today as they’re out vaccinating. Tomorrow I loose a couple of admin staff and a doctor.
I was referring to my own health board, as I have no idea what's going on in yours, that'd be a silly assumption to make.
haha, like the thought of “getting back” to our own work. We’re running vaccination sites “as well as” doing our own work. I’m a nurse and a HCA down today as they’re out vaccinating. Tomorrow I loose a couple of admin staff and a doctor.
Shouldn't you all have time on your hands now there are so many fewer frail and elderly left?
Anecdotal, I know, but I've not bothered the NHS with three things I normally would have over the past year, and my vaccination took all of 30 seconds. Extrapolate that and...
my vaccination took all of 30 seconds. Extrapolate that and…
across 51.2M doses that's 25.6M minutes or about 240 years of FTE . In >6 months, so an actual rate of more like 500 years of effort, just in the needle sticking. Add in the admin and trained support, the pre- and post- work (and yes, a lot has been done by volunteers too) but I reckon there's thousands of years worth of effort been delivered. Probably 10's of thousands.
I think your 30s is way underestimated too, but then I don't really understand your point. Are you suggesting this hasn't been a massive effort and that the NHS aren't really that busy?
Extrapolate that and…you're still a very annoying troll
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30s? Mine took at least 5 mins with getting the documentation checked etc.
Shouldn’t you all have time on your hands now there are so many fewer frail and elderly left?
No, we're busier than before...Second doses.
Well it arrived here faster than I expected.
Indian variant found in UK "A variant of concern"
The Guardian is more pessimistic!
Place your bets on when the next set of restrictions will kick in.
So, you can delay bad news as regards the pandemic because of the elections, but not good news from the Bank of England (good news that was dependent on there not being any bad news as regards the pandemic). Stitched up good and proper.
Well..... we've had two new cases in Sydney since Wednesday (husband and wife). Our first for ages - the cluster over new year maybe? They know what the original source of the infection was (somebody arriving from the US, positive test on arrival in quarantine) but we don't know how it moved from that chap, to this couple in the eastern suburbs of Sydney. The search is on for "the missing link".
They have reinstated some restrictions over the weekend to try to keep a lid on it while the testing/tracing happens: We have to wear masks in shops/public transport again, no more than 20 people round your house, no singing in church, that kind of thing.
Sewage testing has shown virus fragments from a (pretty large) cluster of suburbs, including ours, so Mrs Batfink and I had a test yesterday as she's got a bit of a cold.
My first time getting tested - just waiting for my result.
Well it arrived here faster than I expected.
Given that 100,000 people from the UK went to or from ****stan in the first three months of the year (BBC article yesterday), your optimism is impressive.
About a dozen cases in the East Midlands by last week.
The Guardian article highlights the data reported two weeks ago by PHE regarding emergence of strains that have the S gene in PCR tests. Our World-beating U.K. variant, B.1.1.7 is being replaced by strain(s) that have the S-gene register in PCR tests. These may be the South African strain B1.351, the Indian strains B.1.617.x (there are at least three) or another home grown up and coming star.
The consequences for vaccine escape are not known. Certainly vaccines have been less effective (but not ineffective) against the SA variant. Perhaps the immune selection pressure is replacing the U.K. strain - we shall see.
I’ll post an analysis later showing the replacement. This is normal evolutionary biology. The fact that we are seeing evolution in real time is testament to the intensity of study, nothing special.
[tl:dr] On a background of falling overall infections, new strains are replacing the U.K. strain that took off from November. This is normal evolution. Vaccines may provide a little less protection but still keep people out of hospital.
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Such patience, and always stays calm and clear. How does he do it?!?
High ASQ 😉
Given that 100,000 people from the UK went to or from ****stan
There's a tranche of people that Border Force could legitimately send back to ****stan/India for being thoughtless and careless of our public health.
No, it highlights how porous our “travel ban” is.
No, it highlights how porous our “travel ban” is.
This. Government ups vaccine success and economic bounce ahead of elections, yet more failures of border control/quarantine come out the morning after.
I think your 30s is way underestimated too, but then I don’t really understand your point. Are you suggesting this hasn’t been a massive effort and that the NHS aren’t really that busy?
First, 150,000 dead are no longer visiting surgeries. Second, I would otherwise have had three GP consultations, two prescriptions, one referral, a scan, a consultant, maybe some treatment - but actually spent less than a minute being vaccinated. I doubt I am the only one not to seek treatment I would otherwise have sought.
This would suggest surgeries are quieter than normal even with vaccinations to do.
Pulling the other way would be absenteeism, but it shouldn’t be much of a problem now that the virus has gone right down.
And quite how that is trolling, I don’t know.
@chrispo - You continue to only look at this your way, other opinions are out there, some more realistic and considered than your frequent petulant outbursts. You consistently present your opinions as facts but refuse to yield your position when called out on their inaccuracies. You know what this behaviour resembles don't you?
actually spent less than a minute being vaccinated
Are you aware that the time being vaccinated as you call it, is just the bit where they stick the needle in your arm? There is a whole lot of other work going on at the same time that you're not party to.
This would suggest surgeries are quieter than normal even with vaccinations to do.
They've got quite a substantial backlog to get through, so no, the GPs and medical staff are not twiddling their thumbs waiting for punters to arrive
What is this absenteeism you are referring to? Please provide some context
No, it highlights how porous our “travel ban” is.
My comment was more along the lines of "just because you can. . ." Failure to consider the big picture compared to your personal needs should be grounds for ejection because you're not our type of person. (A more verbose way of saying failure to obey Rule 1).
Nope, not touching that