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Wow! You come across as an utter ****.
That is the most odious piece of drivel I’ve read in a long time.
Blame the elderly for the laziness and stupidity of youth and all the worlds ills.
If you “think” the elderly have “shat” upon the young, then you need to take your head for a “shart”.
Jesus. No wonder everyone hates you.
For balance, I thought he was spot-on..... whereas your posts just made you sound like a edited. That post exactly nails why young people (legitimately) feel the way about boomers that they do - and that wont change whether you believe it or not.
I'm neither a boomer nor young person - and I can't see anything in that which isn't objectively true. And he didn't even mention Brexit! Enjoying the benefits of the single market, and then voting to deny young people those same benefits for absolutely no reason at all? For what? Casual racism and xenophobia, and some kind of wierd nostalgic nationalism? Can't blame them really
Paint the cross on the door mrs anagallis test is positive 😟
I thought P-Jays piece was thought provoking and well written and I will be sharing it with one or two people who I think will disagree but who knows it might make them think?
Paint the cross on the door mrs anagallis test is positive
Gah - sorry to hear that mate. How many of you in the house? Have you all been tested too?
I thought PJay’s post was pretty subdued really.
Today’s youth is being expected to sacrifice their youth to save the generation that has benefited from free education, cheap housing and decent pensions and pulled up the drawbridge after them whilst expecting the youth to pay the bill.
And they’ve created a climate crisis (that will impact on the youth, not them) and forced the country into an act seppuku and voted in a bunch of lying fanatics without a thought for said youth.
Quite frankly I’m surprised that it’s just ‘**** you’ instead of why don’t you just **** off and die now, please...
Best hope then youth don’t get properly political!
Gah – sorry to hear that mate. How many of you in the house? Have you all been tested too?
Me, mrs and son. Strange it happend when schools went back, thought they were covid safe. Both teachers, boy at school. Boy and I not tested, he's fine. I am rough as a badgers arse but no covid specific symptoms. Quite scary given the talk about people getting tested with no symptoms, I have a bad cold so does mrs, was convinced and still was when her smell went.
Good news is we are not that ill!
Good news is we are not that ill!
Yes, good news indeed: long may that continue.
Assuming that you all have it - what happens now then with the school? Does everyone you've had contact with get tested? Teachers, staff etc?
Here (Aus) I think the school would immediately shut until everyone had a test, and results came back
I thought P Jays post was good too tbh
Another +1 to p-jay's post. Of course it isn't suggesting we kill our grannies but there's more than a grain of truth in there about the selfishness of the older generation.
And he's not the one who comes across as the **** in that exchange either
Sorry to hear that AA, I wish you all well and hope Mrs AA gets to a quick and full recovery.
On the subject of vindication against old people, do people really think they all sat around doing it on purpose? I suspect the majority went on just living with what they’ve got, or trying to work to fit their definition of success, I doubt the majority sat at home deliberately planning to influence the outcome of their grandchildren in a negative way.
I took a view on Pj’s post that it was a retrospective view of the world, and sure if your now sitting in your house in Surrey sipping a brandy at 75 moaning at that young upstart Ashley Banjo you deserve both of Pj’s barrels, but there are also some lonely dementia ridden people in homes watching their savings drip away, not being visited by their family whilst hearing the news that are the most likely to die of a resurgent COVID-19. Can’t be pleasant.
I chuckled.
AA the secondary attack rate is about 25% within a household. Self isolate and wear a mask to serve the breakfast in bed. Hope she recovers fast and you don’t catch it.
On the plus side and based on the book I noted in lunges thread, I’ve added a big bag of liquorice all sorts for Sunday. Sunday is the first day of my “rest” month from training and the little racing I’ve been doing, so following a final race on Saturday (probably) I’m going to have a lazy day with coffee in the morning, beer during the afternoon and stuffing my face with liquorice allsorts during the F1.
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I’m going for the method of creating little personal pockets of sunshine and hope to look forward to over the next six months to counter any negativity.
Kryton.... you're our little pocket of sunshine
Assuming that you all have it – what happens now then with the school? Does everyone you’ve had contact with get tested? Teachers, staff etc?
Nope, no one does owt at my school, I'm just a contact and at wifes school the assumption is teachers are distanced. So is summary our schools carry on all is fine!
AA the secondary attack rate is about 25% within a household. Self isolate and wear a mask to serve the breakfast in bed.
Might be a bit late for that!!
Yawn.
People are never going to understand this are they DazH.
its not about not being able to understand it its how DazH thinks its something so simple to do. If its so simple why don't you explain to us all. One of you can't claim its simple then say people will never understand it. if its so simple and will help solve this crisis im sure DazH will be able to convince the world to do it.
Here (Aus) I think the school would immediately shut until everyone had a test, and results came back
Correction, the school shuts while contact tracing is done. Anyone defined as being in close contact with the case has to self isolate for 14 days. I'm assuming that's all class mates for an infected pupil, and all pupils for an infected teacher. Although I suppose it depends on the school - might be a whole year group.
Wow! You come across as an utter ****.
That is the most odious piece of drivel I’ve read in a long time.
Blame the elderly for the laziness and stupidity of youth and all the worlds ills.
If you “think” the elderly have “shat” upon the young, then you need to take your head for a “shart”.
Jesus. No wonder everyone hates you.
That was a nasty and unnecessary response.
While the post was intended to be a humourous way to make people think, the fact is, for the last 20 years pensioners have received a lot of additional support - free bus travel, free TV licenses, triple lock on pensions through austerity. Many of them needed that support, but a lot didn't. It wasn't targeted based on need, and if you were cynical you could argue it was done by governments of all colours to shore up the grey vote.
And it's those who didn't need the support who are often the most vocal when it is under threat. The ones who complain that the savings that they are lucky enough to have built up aren't getting them any interest, but begrudge using them to pay for the social care that they think that they are entitled to that their own parents didn't get. Who aren't happy at paying taxes to pay for the NHS treatment their age means that they require, or that support their children who are losing their jobs now, and their grandchildren who are losing their education.
Anyway, enough about my parents..... 😉
Blame the elderly for the laziness and stupidity of youth and all the worlds ills.
If you “think” the elderly have “shat” upon the young, then you need to take your head for a “shart”.
sounds like a typical baby boomer. You might as well say the reason we cant all afford houses is we spend too much time on holiday not doing "real work" eating avo on toast.
I took a view on Pj’s post that it was a retrospective view of the world, and sure if your now sitting in your house in Surrey sipping a brandy at 75 moaning at that young upstart Ashley Banjo you deserve both of Pj’s barrels, but there are also some lonely dementia ridden people in homes watching their savings drip away, not being visited by their family whilst hearing the news that are the most likely to die of a resurgent COVID-19. Can’t be pleasant.
I don’t think anyone wants a Generational battle.
My post isn’t about one generation pissing on another and in turn that generation trying to kill them indirectly.
I supposed I’m trying to empathise with young adults who are already being set up as the villain in Covid.
They’ve had a pretty shit start in adult life, and it’s not like they don’t know why.
The Great Recession hurt their education, Brexit is loathed by young people more than any other demographic and now we’re destroying what little job security and hopes for the future they might have.
Your stereotypical 23 year old has known nothing but recession, austerity and Brexit since they started High School.
Think back to any time a young person has dared to complain about the shut hand they were dealt? It’s the same old bullshit, they’re ‘entitled’ it’s all Snapchat and iPads and they’re lazy.
Now, here comes 2020 and Covid, the day lock down was announced hundreds of thousands of them were fired - no redundancy, no discussion just “get out” which gave them a great idea of how they’re valued by older people. Many of them got their jobs back through furlough but it didn’t change the fact they know they’re dispensable.
Despite all that it seemed by and large their generation aren’t the ones protesting lockdown, I think it’s more of a case of it’s ‘other people’s problems’. Humans do stuff that hurts other people all the time without a moments pause or hesitation.
And that's another thing the youth of today are guilty of... lazy stereotyping.
And the predicted end of furlough (I'm speculating) redundancies have started.
6k jobs to go at Whitbread/premier Inn....
I guess a fallout from zoom and working from home as even their July figures were shocking.
BBC News - Whitbread to cut 6,000 jobs as hotel demand slumps
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54246403
And the redundancys have started.
They started a few months back, sadly, this is just the latest
For the likes of Premier Inn, I wonder how much they rely on business travel. The (new) one near us has been rammed over summer but that's leisure.
I like it when the normally soft and cuddly STW sticks the knife into a group of people they really hate.
Its quite life affirming to realise everybody really is full of prejudice, despite how much they might protest otherwise.
Makes me feel a lot more cheerful about my own character flaws.
They started a few months back
Not really, companies only needed to notify those on furlough this month. It'll be a wave of redundancies over the next 6months or so as companies readjust again.
For the likes of Premier Inn, I wonder how much they rely on business travel.
From my experience over 10yrs of company traveling and staying with them (my employer had a buisness rate with them), I'd say at least 80% at every site, some close to 100%. At least Monday to Friday. Weekends (Fri and sat night) are almost always a cheaper rate which shows their clientele.
On the morning Teams call, there's 10 of us scattered around various outlying bits of Manchester. No-one has a clue about what restrictions apply to them - there's chat about Rule of Six, a joke about "yes but if we're all carrying shotguns, we can find another 24 people", stuff about pubs closing at 10 and a joke about getting all the shots in at 9pm...
I think it was touched on in the "what's the point..?" thread but we need some absolutely clear messaging about the end game, the absolute rules - not ones that can be worked around with a degree of loophole jumping - and instead we're getting vacuous slogans, no explanations and a feeling that Government are winging it (they probably are but they could at least try to look like they know what they're doing...)
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Slight change of tack - what are people's thoughts on getting the flu jab?
I noticed my local pharmacy offering appointment free jabs for £12.50.
Seems like an idea to get it out of the way, if only to try and reduce chances of confusing flu/Covid later down the line.
Does it lay you out at all, can you keep training/riding after the jab or do you need to take it easy for a week or two?
I like it when the normally soft and cuddly STW sticks the knife into a group of people they really hate.
Its quite life affirming to realise everybody really is full of prejudice, despite how much they might protest otherwise.
Makes me feel a lot more cheerful about my own character flaws.
While i do agree with you I feel harrythephot issue is he cant't think objectively about why younger people are like why should I care - also the fact the gov' have told them it will just be a bad cold for them. My parents are baby boomers step dad brought his first home for under 10k in wales, has a decent pension, house paid off and all that. It sounds like poor me but older people constantly tell us we don't know how easy we have it, but I would trade some tech for an interest rate thats a little better than 0.05% so I don't have to work till I die.
Does it lay you out at all,
Depends, some years nothing, other years a sore arm, other years a sore arm and feeling like shite later in the day. Normally fine next day, get an appointment at lunchtime and prepare to spend the evening slobbing around.
Slight change of tack – what are people’s thoughts on getting the flu jab?
I have one every year, in fact mine is booked for this Sunday....
Sometimes feel like crap the next day or so some times not.
My daughter had the live vaccine, squirt up nose job, at the weekend. She felt pretty bad on Monday but is fine now.
and instead we’re getting vacuous slogans, no explanations and a feeling that Government are winging it (they probably are but they could at least try to look like they know what they’re doing…)
I mean its almost like we have a "leader" whos known as not a details man and for constant u-turns. Just look at today for example few weeks ago it was go to work and save pret now its stay at home work from home if you can... It boggles my mind that people actually think he could do a better job ad running the country than JC.
One of you can’t claim its simple then say people will never understand it. if its so simple and will help solve this crisis im sure DazH will be able to convince the world to do it.
Yawn. Actually got a point to make about why they couldn't support businesses and employees instead of pointless pedantry? Seeing as the solution myself and rone talk aboout is *already in place* perhaps you'd like to explain to us why they don't use it? The reason its not difficult is because that's the way it already works. What I don't understand is why people such as yourself willingly accept the blatant untruth that 'we can't afford it'. We can afford it because we can create our own money. As rone says the only limitation to doing that is the productive capacity of our economy, and I think we'd all agree that there's plenty of slack in that right now.
As a practical solution though, how about this. There are hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions, twiddling their thumbs right now. Instead of dumping them on the dole, how about we put them to work caring for and supporting people affected by covid, beefing up the testing system where possible, building new hospitals and health centres, building community networks to help people and businesses cope with the virus and mitigations against it and a whole host of other things that I can't think of right now.
There's a huge opportunity right now to build strong communities who can come together to tackle local and national problems. We're going to need them to fight covid, to rebuild the economy afterwards, and to deal with future crises like a no deal brexit and climate change. Why aren't we doing it?
On the morning Teams call, there’s 10 of us scattered around various outlying bits of Manchester. No-one has a clue about what restrictions apply to them
Yip. I think that's how everyone in the North West is feeling. Its been compounded by the fact that we can see the figures and areas are being put under restrictions that have far lower infection rates than those that aren't
It makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever.
They appear to be making it up as they go along. Sketching it out on the back of a fag packet.
Remember that a few weeks ago Matt Hancock lifted restrictions on a couple of areas of Greater Manchester with absolutely no consultation with anyone, Andy Burnham had to tell everyone to ignore government guidelines as infection rates were still really high in those areas, then Matt Hancock reversed his decision 12 hours later.
The whole thing is an absolute farce. Small business owners in Greater Manchester are absolutely tearing their hair out at the whole sorry shambles
As a practical solution though, how about this. There are hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions, twiddling their thumbs right now. Instead of dumping them on the dole, how about we put them to work caring for and supporting people affected by covid, beefing up the testing system where possible, building new hospitals and health centres, building community networks to help people and businesses cope with the virus and mitigations against it and a whole host of other things that I can’t think of right now.
Because much as the Government would like you to believe that these are "low-skilled" jobs, they're not. And I suspect, given the total ****-up in terms of employing Contact Tracers, many of whom are literally being paid to sit there watching Netflix, that Government has neither the resources nor any sort of clue in how to mobilise this theoretical volunteer workforce.
Yawn. Actually got a point to make about why they couldn’t support businesses and employees instead of pointless pedantry? Seeing as the solution myself and rone talk aboout is *already in place* perhaps you’d like to explain to us why they don’t use it?...
"Yawn" My only issue with what you have said is you claim it's "easy" and "simple" when fact is it isn't why can't you just admit that. There are huge logistical challenges in doing stuff like beefing up the testing system you make it seem like you click your fingers and its done.
As a practical solution though, how about this. There are hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions, twiddling their thumbs right now. Instead of dumping them on the dole, how about we put them to work caring for and supporting people affected by covid, beefing up the testing system where possible, building new hospitals and health centres, building community networks to help people and businesses cope with the virus and mitigations against it and a whole host of other things that I can’t think of right now.
I mean this basically sounds like a workers camp... but yeh what ever dude have a good day i got some pixels to push.
It makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever
I agree with the lack of clarity... but locking down areas that border, or worse are surrounded by, areas with high levels of infection makes complete logical sense. People move between adjacent areas lots for work, shopping, school... and so minimising "unnecessary" extra contacts for a time is a wise procautionary measure. We should be taking such precautionary measures, if we want to avoid the late last minute panic approach we took earlier in the year.
But what happened to the 750,000 that volunteered to help out, way back in the spring?
Was that yet another headline grabbing idea that never materialized?
Low skill doesn't mean no skill and never has, its more skills that can be learned with little prerequisites in a relatively short period of time.
There is a hint of conscription about the idea of "put (people) them to work caring for and supporting people affected by covid". Conscription doesn't tend to work well because the people aren't engaged or maybe pre disposed to that rough sector of work.
I agree with the lack of clarity… but locking down areas that border, or worse are surrounded by, areas with high levels of infection makes complete logical sense.
I get that, but Matt Hancock lifted the restrictions on Trafford while it had pretty much the highest rising infection rate in the country, while leaving areas with far lower rates still under restrictions.
It seemed more to do with the fact that he had an extremely vocal Tory MP who was voicing the 'boo hoo... poor us... it's not fair' whining of his affluent Tory-voting constituents
it lasted less than 12 hours anyway
For the likes of Premier Inn, I wonder how much they rely on business travel.
Having been in direct contact with the finances of Travelodge, Holiday Inn and Future Inns in my old job it's a very big part of their business model. They rely on the income from suits travelling to meetings, other offices and travelling reps plus they have the income from the trades (electricians, plumbers etc) moving round the country as their base income. The extra from tourists and stop-overs is their profit base. It's why a lot of the hotels are located on main roads or just outside a town with no real attractions, they're there to hoover up the business travellers.
Slight change of tack – what are people’s thoughts on getting the flu jab?
I noticed my local pharmacy offering appointment free jabs for £12.50.
Seems like an idea to get it out of the way, if only to try and reduce chances of confusing flu/Covid later down the line.
Does it lay you out at all, can you keep training/riding after the jab or do you need to take it easy for a week or two?
I'll get mine pretty soon.
I've had flu twice it's appallingly bad and I ended up in Hospital with Pneumonia from it once, 5 years ago yesterday actually. Although that was my own fault, here's a tip, if you're ill (at any time, but especially now) rest, stay at home, take it easy. Don't go for a 'quick lap of Cwmcarn' because it's "only a cold" or you may get REALLY sick.
As one of the youngest Boomers this
They’ve had a pretty shit start in adult life, and it’s not like they don’t know why.
The Great Recession hurt their education, Brexit is loathed by young people more than any other demographic and now we’re destroying what little job security and hopes for the future they might have.
Your stereotypical 23 year old has known nothing but recession, austerity and Brexit since they started High School.
Think back to any time a young person has dared to complain about the shut hand they were dealt? It’s the same old bullshit, they’re ‘entitled’ it’s all Snapchat and iPads and they’re lazy.
is spot on.
We, as parents, are supporting our two as best we can to achieve property ownership but it's too little to be really effective. It's hard to encourage thrift when the reward for it is constantly moving out of reach.
