Makes sense. Assuming the tests are also done. And support put in place in terms of employer action and ensuring those isolating keep an income.
Now, this is a great thread, for those with short memories:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288582196190744577?s=21
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288582220710588417?s=21
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288582228885340169?s=21
[ read the whole thread on twitter - very good journalism of the type that I feel has been lacking around this ]
Also good reporting on this issue on news night earlier
Looks like Northern England has caught the attention of Westminster:
Local restrictions from midnight.
Bit of detail wouldn't go amiss - in our case, Bradford as a city, council area or postcode?
Exactly, BD postcodes cover a very large area.
Yep, were surrounded by Blackburn, Hyndburn, Pendle, Rochdale, looks like their inability to behave responsibly is impacting Rossendale which up to now hasn't been bad. Calderdale has also been caught in the net. Personally fuming as we've been WFH, not been out shopping except food, not been to the pub or eaten out. Wonder how much of this decision is due to the high Asian populations in these areas, populations that have seen rapid rises in cases on the eve of Eid.
Don't just focus on the Asian community.
What about the white non-working underclass? And the over-50s I'll do what I want brigade
Fwiw - we're in Calderdale and we've followed the rules
It's been widely reported it is particularly prevalent in the Asian community here on the BBC news. Whether it's to do with multi generation households, tightly packed communities, cultural differences I don't know. It's not been reported here as riping through the white working class communities, may be it is, but it's not been reported. Look at the places it's flared up, Leicester, Bradford, Rochdale, Oldham, Blackburn, Pendle, Hyndburn, there is a clear common denominator.
All those areas do have sizeable Asian communities but they are not 100% of the local population. The media don't report on the lower class white community because there is nothing interesting to say and doesn't fit in with their narrative.
Stockport where we are is included in the decision.
Sounds as though you can't visit another home including a garden, but you can got to a pub, cafe or shop!!
Looks like Northern England has caught the attention of Westminster:
About time. They’ve had more than two weeks of warning. Every analysis I’ve done has thrown up these regions.
We can’t go into each other’s houses, but we can go to the pub, right?
Can we drive to Barnard Castle to test our eyesight? Asking for a friend
BBC Newsnight correspondent Lewis Goodall said the Department of Health and Social Care had confirmed the restrictions will apply to all indoor settings - so it will mean that no two households should meet in places including pubs and restaurants.
What about 3 households?
Asking for 2 friends
😉
Yes you can go to the pub Binners, but you can't intentionally meet another household. Rossendale caught in the middle of all this has seen an increase of 1 case since last week, not exactly a spike. Calderdale is also included despite being in the lowest 25% of local authorities.
Local Facebook is going into melt down, I can't see many people taking this well, or adhering to it, the idiots that haven't all the way through will continue to act like selfish gits, people who have are now really pissed off and likely to say screw it.
We had the heads up about this being very likely from Calderdale councillors, and I passed that on in this thread the other day. It’s not relevant that cases are lower here than in surrounding areas… if the spread is all around you… lock down. Oh, and the multigenerational household thing isn’t the cause of the spread, but is a cause for concern about the effect of the spread. People meeting up is the cause of the spread… and no, not people breaking the rules, or taking the piss… don’t go all sneery at white working class or Asian families… this is down to people doing what they were told they could and should do… including going back to workplaces, and schools, and social venues, even when not essential. They were told to do so. It was poor advice.
Nothing on the official government website, just local restrictions for Leicester, Luton and Blackburn. No clarity at all, lots of speculation and a lot of people linking the timing of the announcement with Eid.
This is such total bullshit, I can’t see anyone taking any notice of it.
I think we all know who this is aimed at. It’s pretty cynical timing
Good old-fashioned dog whistle racism.
Well, why not? it’s served them well so far
It’s not our fault. It’s ‘them’
People need to take notice of it. It’s not a game.
Right… I’m going to crack open a can of Bernard Castle Eye Test…
Binners is spot on.
BBC report just now seemed to suggest the rise is in younger, middle class households ignoring the guidelines.
I was going to stay in a self catering place in Hebden Bridge next week. Can I still go?
ignoring the guidelines
Pass the blame… so obvious that they would.
The ‘guidelines’ have been a mess of confused messaging for weeks now.
Right… getting that can of Eye Test…
How many Hindus are celebrating Eid?
onewheelgood, from what I can glean from the confused and unhelpful info leaking out, yes, you can still go to the Gym, pub, restaurant etc and sit next to total strangers but not meet up with people you know.
Great… every news outlet seems to have been briefed different rules… yet they kick in at midnight? Communication fkwits.
For a long time I thought the confusing and contradictory messaging was deliberate, so that they could blame us for not following their guidelines. But now it is looking more and more as if they are just ****wits.
https://twitter.com/oneliferideit/status/1288958289758355461?s=21
Tory MP on Newsnight saying that not publishing, or properly announcing, guidelines before they kick in is… “treating people like grownups”… punchable.
The new rules Governing massive areas of the north of England come into force in 50 minutes and nobody has a *ing clue what those rules actually are
This really does take their utter *-wittery to epic new levels
Is everyone meant to go to work tomorrow then? Will non-essential’ shops be open?
I’m assuming that even though I can’t invite anyone into my home, I could meet them in spoons for a two for one meal subsidised by the government?
These and a thousand other unanswered questions brought to you by Boris, Matt, Dom and the utter ****ing clowns presently winging it as our government
I thought it was just an order to not go to other people's houses? And not to meet up to celebrate Eid.
I can still howl at the moon and bark at next doors cat.
Cold War Steve does it again:
These and a thousand other unanswered questions brought to you by Boris, Matt, Dom and the utter ****ing clowns presently winging it as our government
Go to work… outdoors… or only with members of your own family… only eat your lunch with strangers… or something.
Remind me… when does help for those shielding at home end? Saturday?
Go to work but don’t go to work. Go shopping but don’t go shopping. Use public transport but don’t use public transport. Go to the pub but don’t go to the pub
Clear?
Erm, no. Yes. Maybe
It’s perfectly clear, apply common sense until common sense fails to work at controlling the spread of the virus then isolate for 10 days separately from family members but do go out and visit a spoons as long as no family members are also in spoons, don’t use public transport but do spend money in local businesses and finally let’s get going.
(Not quite sure where we are meant to get going to but perhaps I have no common sense so it’s my fault if I wander off in the opposite direction)
Journalists are trying… but working in the disinformation/misinformation age must be tiring for them…
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288969346094686208?s=21
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288971113586929664?s=21
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288972997425078272?s=21
https://twitter.com/spittingcat/status/1288979336972980225?s=21
Hang on, just realised that says we are back to not being able to meet up with friends and family in gardens again… but we can be indoors in a pub with strangers. What the actual… ?!?
You can meet up with whoever you like. As long as you don’t know them and there’s a card reader present.
The normal clear and concise, well thought through policy from our incredibly competent government
A masterpiece of incompetence and approaching the threshold of criminal negligence.
Does johnson or any member of his clown circus have the slightest hucking clue about what they're doing?
If their arses were on fire I wouldn't piss on them to extinguish the flames.
If Boris could have put it how his journalistic instincts are telling him to put it, he’d have just written an article in the daily telegraph saying ‘can all you letterboxes/bank robbers and your jihadist husbands not visit each other for Eid, or we’ll deport you back to bongo bongo land
That’s why he sent little Matty Handjob out to do it instead. There’s no telling he wouldn’t just blurt it out anyway
So instead he’s imposed a lockdown on most of the north west of England.
If you were in any doubt as to how much of an utter dickhead Laurence Fox was after his previous outburst then this should finally allay those doubts
https://twitter.com/lozzafox/status/1288102126460088325?s=21
He’s going full “Hopkins”
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Kirklees
If I read that data right, the number of cases daily is dropping in Kirklees and the number was low and steady prior to the drop anyway.
Other areas like Oldham, Calderdale etc do appear to be increasing but then you have Rossendale.
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Rossendale
Kirklees figures were high because of the meat packing plant and bed factories (we have a polish chap booked in who is a manager in a bed factory so I should learn more about that soon). I work in Kirklees but live in Calderdale. Calderdale seems to have stayed relatively low.
i live in Greater Manchester and have, on separate days, an electrician, plumber and plasterer lined up for a job in my house starting August 7th. Are they allowed in? Can't find any details.
I'm as frustrated with the crap communication as the rest of you, but we're disappearing down a rabbit hole of our own making at times with all this whataboutery.
As I read it, there's been no increase in numbers linked to pubs, restaurants, returning to work etc. In all those places, social distancing, 2 metres, facemasks etc still apply, and from my experience, in an area which isn't a problem yet, those measures are generally being respected.
Giving the government the benefit of the doubt - though the communication and publishing of supporting data is rubbish - it seems that the rises in cases in these areas is due to people meeting up socially, in each others houses or outside and not respecting/understanding the social distancing measures that still apply in those circumstances. I see it around here, with friends and families going into each others houses, teenagers meeting up in the park, I'm probably guilty of it myself at times in not keeping 2 metres from my parents - who I'm still not allowed to hug - inside their small bungalow.
Sometimes we seem too keen to find the problem with the government's handling without taking a step back. And I'm as guilty of it as anyone.
