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BBC article on their site today comparing Aus travel quarantine to the one we will be imposing.
Our one is a bit crap in comparison. Anyone surprised?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56030384
Horse well and truly bolted anyway but still.
More taxes
Tax takes are massively down. Economies across Europe have shrunk. Consumer spending is down, profits for the majority of businesses have dropped off a cliff. Many businesses are not able to pay their business rates, a good number have ceased trading. National debt is increasing as governments continue to pay out for furlough schemes.
Even when our new normal returns spending won't be anywhere near the levels seen pre-covid. People will be reluctant to join in with mass participation activities. Be that commuting on a packed train into the office, sitting on a plane for business and holidays or attending large concerts or festivals.
It's going to take years before the books are balanced. Austerity is going to be the new buzz word.
This is going to disproportionately hurt younger generations who are going to be paying for this their entire working lives.
Sorry, probably better described as a “leak” than a breech. We’ve had a few of these – various gaps have been plugged over the past year
Perhaps best viewed in context. One of the UKs leaks is Terminal 5 at Heathrow.
Let’s see what the next day or two in Melbourne brings - Sydney’s testing rate is usually 6-8k tests a day, but that spiked to almost 50k a day during our last cluster. Cases went up to about 20 something cases a day for a week, then dropped fairly quickly. Seems to take us 3 weeks to get a cluster back to zero with only small suburb-level lockdowns.
Melbourne have gone waaaay further than Sydney though, they’ve locked down a city of 5 million (I think) because of 18 cases. Let’s see what happens.
It's paywalled, just give us the name of the 'scientists' involved and we'll know the contents.
Assume this is a non-paywalled version of the same press release
We've got loads of booze and cake in and are ready for our 5 day lockdown.
but I'm glad I'm here, with our system, rather than the UK with your whatever the hell it is. Do you have a quarantine yet?
at least the UK can still manage some exports.
On whether to just let it rip through society after 1st phase of vaccinations
There's a two-word answer to that 'debate' and it is long covid, I've just read an e-mail from March for Change which estimates current long covid numbers at around 400,000 people many of whom will be unable to work, exercise or lead a big chunk of their normal lives. So far there's not treatment for long covid. No understanding of the mechanisms behind it. And it impacts people of all ages, even some children.
Summarised as "we know it will cause a lot of infections and a fair amount of long term illness. Are we ready as a society to accept that."
Can't say i like the idea personally as the healthcare cost will likely be bigger in the long run than the cost of the pandemic and will let more variants spread well.
Glad i don't have to make decisions about that
Thats the one..(it wasn't paywalled for me oddly)
Sounds like a great idea, I mean no previously fit healthy person ever suffered debilitating long term affects from covid did they..🤔
Just watch, they'll be a massive turnaround in the 'evidence', and it turns out all the young folks really didn't need to take extra precautions after all. Long covid is all on the head..
On whether to just let it rip through society after 1st phase of vaccinations
I mean you could counter that with let it rip through the old and vulnerable so and its survival of the fittest jab the healthy so I can go back to work and have a holiday. (yes I know that sounds mental.)
It seems some scientists have the luxury of not seeing the impact of their decisions im sure NHS love the sound of potentially thousands of people ending up in ICU again. If we were struggling to get vaccines I could see the sense but it seems the UK Gov have got enough to jab the country 3 or 4 times over.
will be interesting to see if Aus can fix an 18 case problem with 5 days Lock Down, or at least get the lid on so that it can be handled by track and trace protocols.
if the uk is currently at ~9000 cases (per day!), we can fix that in (divide by two, multiply by a thousand, divide by 365...) 7 years. super.
on the let it rip topic - i wonder how the rest of the world would view it from a "great way to encourage mutations" perspective? Does that mean UK lets it rip, the top four groups vaccinated are ok, the working population run a high risk of long covid and our borders are closed from the outside...
big rich
Free MemberWe’ve got loads of booze and cake in and are ready for our 5 day lockdown.
good luck mate - these quick, 5 day lockdowns make sense to me, let’s just hope that it was quick enough and case numbers don’t climb too much: I think the northern beaches cluster ended at 120 cases or something.
on the let it rip topic
It’s just another example of people not seeing that a superficially easier and cheaper answer will create more difficult and expensive/costly problems than other paths.
soobalias
Free Memberwill be interesting to see if Aus can fix an 18 case problem with 5 days Lock Down, or at least get the lid on so that it can be handled by track and trace protocols.
Yeah we’ve done it a few times now in Sydney (see my post further up the page) - let’s see if the Victorian’s can manage not to arse it up this time 🤣
Edit: not with such a large lockdown though, so it should work
Assume this is a non-paywalled version of the same press release
10% of that story appears to be a single scientist saying 'by all means let's have a debate'. The rest is Brexiteer nutjob MPs like Steve Baker demanding early reopening of everything.
The idea of an expert saying 'let's talk about the least worst option in reasonable terms' is fine. As a nation we do need to have an informed debate about the downsides and upsides of reopening, and then someone will have to make a decision about the 'acceptable' level of mortality and morbidity.
At some point the generals will send us out over the top, there's no doubt.
. If we were struggling to get vaccines I could see the sense but it seems the UK Gov have got enough to jab the country 3 or 4 times over.
Thats why I just can't see it happening. We are too close to the end goal, a uturn now would be insane..you'd think.
Luckily I have luxury of living in Scotland, and if Boris agrees to such a ridiculous plan I can't see sturgeon getting onboard with it for 1 moment
I don't know how rate limited the vaccine supply side is, but at about 3 million a week now, in theory we target end of march for groups 5-9, ~15 million, done.
Then, as pointed out a page or two back, the groups 1-4 start to fall due second jab.
If by then, vaccine supply allows 6 million per week, split 2nd does and first dose to under 50's, then the remaining 30 million or so peeps takes to early June, does it not?
Or is that too ambitious for our govt? Or have they learned a lesson, and while that is the optimistic plan, they are keeping the cat in the bag so as not to raise hopes that may come crashing down?
Can’t say i like the idea personally as the healthcare cost will likely be bigger in the long run than the cost of the pandemic and will let more variants spread well.
Glad i don’t have to make decisions about that
It's actually a simple decision to make:
Q: do we want to risk letting the virus have the best chance to come up with a variant that we cannot defend against with medicine?
A: yes: we let it run riot and impose minimal restrictions.
no: we lockdown any outbreaks and control the spread as much as we possibly can.
Australia and New Zealand are going for the No option, the rest of the world is either dithering or going for the Yes option.
I prefer the No.
Batfink - has the Australia vaccination programme started yet? Have any time scales been published?
Q: do we want to risk letting the virus have the best chance to come up with a variant that we cannot defend against with medicine?
I’m hoping the Kent variant(s) have helped the government seriously re-examine their approach, at least for the months immediately in front of us, it does look that way currently.
steveb
Full MemberBatfink – has the Australia vaccination programme started yet? Have any time scales been published?
this is going to sound bad, but I haven’t been paying a huge amount of attention.
The TGA (our equivalent of the MHRA, but far inferior) just approved the pfizer vaccine a couple of weeks ago, and I think we are expecting the first shipment imminently. We have bought 10m doses. Otherwise we have bought the right to manufacture 60m doses of the AZ vaccine in Australia which should simplify things greatly.
We’ve also bought 50m doses of the novavax vaccine
Rollout will be like:
It’s on the second slide. Most interesting is that quarantine workers are going to be the very first vaccinated
There’s a two-word answer to that ‘debate’ and it is long covid, I’ve just read an e-mail from March for Change which estimates current long covid numbers at around 400,000 people many of whom will be unable to work, exercise or lead a big chunk of their normal lives.
Even without long covid (I don't think, fingers crossed etc) it's an absolute shit of and illness with a long recovery from even the mild case I had
on the let it rip topic – i wonder how the rest of the world would view it from a “great way to encourage mutations” perspective? Does that mean UK lets it rip, the top four groups vaccinated are ok, the working population run a high risk of long covid and our borders are closed from the outside…
I haven't seen an alternative strategy anywhere. Name a European country that intends to maintain restrictions once their cirteria on hospital admissions and prevalence in the community are met. The strategy is much the same everywhere, has any country got a strategy that involves vaccinating under 18s yet? Is there even a vaccine that is homologated for under 16/18?
Britain won't be isolated and cut of by a strategy of let it rip once the over (insert age here)s have been vaccinated, by all accounts it wil be the norm.
On a personal level I have been pretty much dependant on my inhaler(s) since March last year but I'm now at 7 continuous days without using any off them, with strenuous exercise every day. I may have just had unusually bad seasonal allergies and asthma which have taken 10 months to calm down, if I've had long Covid it's slowly, slowly improving. I'll find out when the tree pollen fill the air in March. Back to square one or just normal seasonal allergies/asthma.
I haven’t seen an alternative strategy anywhere.
They are on this page.
Name a European country that intends to maintain restrictions once their cirteria on hospital admissions and prevalence in the community are met.
None. I don't think any European country is on top of this yet. And not many of them are islands, so have different options to (most of) the UK anyway. Despite having more options, we're still doing worse than most European countries though... and I don't think that's just down to dumb luck.
Today is a good day. Ive received clearance to start my first Covid Volunteer vaccinator shift next week. Feeling slightly nervous if I'm honest.
We have been told we are eligible for vaccination as Health care workers. I can book at several local sites, with a choice between those that give AZ and Pfizer jabs? Aware I'm very lucky to get any, but I need to choose somewhere, so which would you go for?
There’s a two-word answer to that ‘debate’ and it is long covid,
The problem with long covid is that for most people it's not all that dramatic. Ie they feel tired, they can't breath properly, they have no energy etc
When 1000 people are dying every day the government has to do something about it. But when tens of thousands of folks are just 'feeling a bit shit for months on end' the government can probably turn a blind eye.
I'm not saying long covid isn't serious, it's nasty and it terrifies me. But unless it's reflected in numbers of deaths or hospitilizations this government won't give a shit about it.
has any country got a strategy that involves vaccinating under 18s yet?
Israel.
Even without long covid (I don’t think, fingers crossed etc) it’s an absolute shit of and illness with a long recovery from even the mild case I had
This. A disease with largely unknown morbidity, is not the time to just take the brakes off. As I have said multiple times, deaths are the headline figure because they are the hardest (and easiest to measure) endpoint. But disease burden is key here. Notably across the age range. Medical care has done a great job in preventing mortality in the middle aged, but this has not been recognised sufficiently. It's all deaths deaths deaths.
I think relaxation with protection by vaccination, schools return and so on is not unreasonable, but we will have Tiers for some time. Again clear and honest communication.
Sorry, probably better described as a “leak” than a breech.
One of the sources of the leak was reported as security guards having intimacy with the convicts quanrantined. Might just be urban rumour, but clearly quarantine is errr hard. (Sorry)
I posted a few weeks back on the suicide question, can't locate it now. As managers at work we've all been asked to do a MH first aid course which I did before Christmas, to give us some info and resources to use with staff if we need to. The covid-suicide question came up, and the course trainer response was that they didn't expect rates to rise currently, specifically because people are looking out for each other, there are schemes in place to shore up those that are at risk, and help is being made obviously available.
The impact can only be measured once we get back to 'normal' - then when jobs and livelihoods are lost but there's no furlough or allowance top ups, when people are struggling with the long term effects on their physical health, when people are coming to terms with the loss of parents, partners, friends..... that's when the need will truly come. Will help be available then, which is when it'll really be needed.
It won't be in the hundreds of thousands (I hope!) but I wouldn't be surprised if rates don't increase massively.
Pfizer without any hesitation, Dantsw. More chance of maintaining immunity as the virus mutates.
Edit: Unfair request to Mr Smith. I should have typed 16/18 twice.
One of the sources of the leak was reported as security guards having intimacy with the convicts quanrantined. Might just be urban rumour, but clearly quarantine is errr hard. (Sorry)
Lol - that was reported by me on here for the first lockdown. Obviously haven seen any evidence - but this was certainly in the press over here as what caused the “leak” last time. Not sure what the leak was this time around tbh
I agree with Ed. Choose Pfizer, if given the choice. But no one should turn down the AZ if that's what they're offered.
Aaaaaaaaaand Melbourne is back in lockdown.
More breeches of their hotel quarantine – 5 day lockdown for a huge area – very strict (same rules as the previous one by the looks of it).
I had a phone call yesterday with a work colleague currently locked in a quarantine hotel in Melbourne.
He has been on secondment to the UK for the last 18 months and has been trying to get home since his first flight was cancelled on 2-Jan.
He was due to fly to Adelaide (home) but was put on a Melbourne flight in Abu-Dabi as his Adelaide flight was over-booked.
Since he arrived South Australia have shut the border with Victoria and he's being told he might not be able to travel to Adelaide until late March/early April and when he does it'll be home quarantine for 14 days on arrival.
With these measures in place you can see how Australia and New Zealand have done such a good job at dealing with COVID..
Whereas here we're now reluctantly bring in Hotel quarantine from a limited number of countries months after it was probably needed.
Pfizer was my thought. As above though, I would take AZ like a shot if no choice.
has any country got a strategy that involves vaccinating under 18s yet?
My understanding is that it isnt approved for children as it hasn't been trialled on children, and it hasn't been trialed on them as they were not given the chance to consent to an experimental vaccine trial.
Is this correct or bollocks, and when will it be approved for children, and is it necessary/practical even?
I’m not saying long covid isn’t serious, it’s nasty and it terrifies me. But unless it’s reflected in numbers of deaths or hospitilizations this government won’t give a shit about it.
The only thing that would get their attention is days lost, long term burden on the NHS. Linking with the mental health side of it - depression has been identified as a long covid symptom. Then there's the general impact of on going debilitating condition on people's psyche.
There are lots of stats where you can infer the impact of lock down, isolation on people. Much was made of this by the lockdown sceptics / CRG wing of the government. Not through any really concern about people, just a flag of convince for their cause of avoiding restrictions. It feels there is a lot of cherry picking by Covid Recovery Group types with their found missionary zeal for mental health and well-being. Unfortunately it's harder to do the counter case on impacts of long covid as we are still working out exactly what it is. Hopefully more people will starting to make the impacts of long covid case. Otherwise the news will just keep running with the narrative they are being given.
long term burden on the NHS
Unless 'long term' means 'in the run-up to the next election', then it's something for the present crop of politicians to ignore.
I'm assuming the short term effects of long covid won't cost the nhs a penny. It's the unknown complications associate with permanent organ damage and mental health that will cost.
And as has been pointed out above, by the time that cost hits, this government will be long gone and will give even less of a shit than they do now.
short term effects of long covid won’t cost the nhs a penny
Not in my case - still waiting for a consultation that's been cancelled twice. I'm hoping the lungs make a comeback as my VO2 max is feeling very sorry for itself. Convincing others is a little challenging when one started in the top 1% (or higher) for fitness though.
My understanding is that it isnt approved for children
Correct, I posted previously, some have been down to 16yo. It's not ethical to test until proven efficacious unless for a paediatric indication from the outset (RSV is one example).
12 years for BioNTech/Pfizer https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 . Recruiting adolescents is not unusual in trials.
Not in my case – still waiting for a consultation that’s been cancelled twice. I’m hoping the lungs make a comeback as my VO2 max is feeling very sorry for itself. Convincing others is a little challenging when one started in the top 1% (or higher) for fitness though.
Yep, your experience is certainly one that any cyclist would be desperate to avoid for sure. Sounds bloody awful.
I’m assuming the short term effects of long covid won’t cost the nhs a penny.
According to French radio (sorry I can't remember which station it was - business news anyhow) AZ have had a bumper profits year, and that's not because of the Covid vaccine but because of the other meds they sell that are used in treating long Covid, notably inhalers nor mally used by asthmatics.
On a personal level, in 35 years to March 2020 my asthma cost the French health service one ventoline inhaler for as long as the date was valid, and one trip to hospital with the pompiers when I hadn't had an asthma attack for so long I hadn't bothered to get a new inhaler. I never felt the need for a TUV. Since March I've been through two red ones, a mixed one and half a blue one, just to live without being in distress. Even as an asthmatic I didn't get exercise induced asthma, it was alway alergy induced (over 350W for 65kg with no breathing difficulties except for pollen and hay seasons). Three doctor consultations instead of one annually last year.
Anyhow, as I said earlier, 7 days without needing the inhalers, fingers crossed I'm finally getting better.
It’s actually a simple decision to make:
Q: do we want to risk letting the virus have the best chance to come up with a variant that we cannot defend against with medicine?
A: yes: we let it run riot and impose minimal restrictions.
no: we lockdown any outbreaks and control the spread as much as we possibly can.Australia and New Zealand are going for the No option, the rest of the world is either dithering or going for the Yes option.
I prefer the No.
No only works if everyone does it or you're prepared for your country to force everyone coming in to quarantine, and to immediately lockdown and trace any contacts if any outbreak is detected. This would need to continue indefinitely as if you stop then the new super variant will inevitably come into the country and spread.
for your country to force everyone coming in to quarantine, and to immediately lockdown and trace any contacts if any outbreak is detected
That’s it exactly.
This would need to continue
indefinitelyfor another year or so
The alternative could look very messy next winter. Let’s hope not. Longer term, ramping up vaccination for all nations is planned.
Why only a year? The virus isn't going to be eradicated and will continue to mutate. It's just going to become endemic.
As for long covid does anyone actually believe it be any more of a priority than post viral fatigue syndrome, with the same general level of cynicism to it.
Why only a year?
Because the situation worldwide will be very different in a year’s time. As will the next round of UK vaccinations.
Summer holiday 2022. It’s going to be great.
Personally I think you need to wait another 6 months to see how the Oz/NZ strategy is working.
Don’t forget it’s a seasonal disease and they are in the Southern Hemisphere.
If the state of Victoria is a 5 day mini lockdown in mid Feb (mid Aug for comparison) let’s see how that’s working in June (Dec for comparison). It could be the case they they end up being in a long term lockdown at that point.
Yes, closing boarders will help, but it’s only 1% of the issue.
Our own Kent variant is now the most dominant strain across the world, and we’ll more than likely have other home grown variants.
Personally I think you need to wait another 6 months to see how the Oz/NZ strategy is working.
If the approach continues to be as successful the question is what happens when they re-open? Even with a vaccine there is going to be a transition to a lot more cases. We are looking forward to vaccination as means of reducing the impact. Oz/Nz are going to be moving up from low and no cases.
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https://protonsforbreakfast.wordpress.com/2021/02/12/covid-19-february-2021-update-2/
another blog I follow (ex colleague) - fantastic scientist and great at explaining complex science to the public. Not saying what he's doing here is hugely complex.
Our own Kent variant is now the most dominant strain across the world
Knew we'd do something "world beating" if we just kept trying
As for long covid does anyone actually believe it be any more of a priority than post viral fatigue syndrome, with the same general level of cynicism to it.
Whatever it is, it's affecting alot of people. The fact it's affecting so many people surely makes it a priority, even if it's just a form.of post viral fatigue syndrome?
Interesting development in France, "the already infected only need one jab as a booster".
Thoughts?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56048444
Well there's been a clinical study of UK healthcare workers and those who had COVID have retained their immunity against re-infection for at least 5 months and counting so there's some logic to the French decision. If that is indeed the case then with 4M confirmed cases in the UK which we can at least double for those that had it but were never tested we can add 8M people to the 13.5 M now vaccinated so we're up to 40% of the 55M adults in the UK with immunity to COVID
40% is a probably an over estimate. You’ve double counted people who have been cases and have now had their first vaccine dose, and you’re counting (assumed/guessed) cases that are more than six months old when there is little evidence that protection lasts that long (although of course we are all hoping it does).
40% is a probably an over estimate. You’ve double counted people who have been cases and have now had their first vaccine dose, and you’re counting (assumed/guessed) cases that are more than six months old when there is little evidence that protection lasts that long (although of course we are all hoping it does).
I think you are being overly pessimistic. OK there's a bit of double counting but probably not much. There's no evidence the health workers immunity was dropping off even after 5 month or so and people who have survived SARS COV1 (admittedly a small sample) still have immunity to SARS COV2
SARS COV1 (admittedly a small sample) still have immunity to SARS COV2
I’d not seen that anywhere, do you have a link?
Don’t think it’s been posted so here is Prof. Devi Sridhar on where we are and where we’re going with the virus
https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1360139954131783680?s=21
I’d not seen that anywhere, do you have a link?
I don't have a link but this guy https://www.youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching/videos has mentioned it a couple of times but I cant remember in which of his videos he talked about it.
Well..... Melbourne have done 20,000 tests in the last 24 hours. One new case.
Total cluster size now 14.
Difficult to judge from that how it’s going to pan-out. Hopefully testing is going to ramp up a bit tomorrow.
Tomorrow's papers completely full of "lock down ending soon" headlines.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-56049806
Now I hope we do come out of lock down sooner rather than later of course but with the new variants around and countless other factors it seems a little reckless to tell everyone it's nearly time to crack on?
Schools in March, other stuff in April?
I didn’t really that as nearly time to crack on? I actually read it as an acknowledgment that a lot of people are in a bad place and need some light at the end of the tunnel.
Particularly as pubs in April seems to be outdoors?
Seems at compete odds with being told that UK holidays may well not happen this year.
In all honestly, I'd prefer to hear modest, even slightly pessimistic assessments which are proven to be so, rather than false optimism that gets dashed within weeks.
I'd prefer it to come directly from government than via vacuous leaks/ interviews printed in the tabloids too.
Edit: Sorry, that post does make me sound very grumpy. I have literally not slept a wink last night and it's come out in that post.
We’re all grump AF Poops
Its dark, cold, the economy is ****ed, and we’re in a pandemic
But as has been noted, we finally have a world beating virus 🦠 .... strain. Go us
Seems at compete odds with being told that UK holidays may well not happen this year.
In all honestly, I’d prefer to hear modest, even slightly pessimistic assessments which are proven to be so, rather than false optimism that gets dashed within weeks.
I'd argue it's in line with "might be a bit early to be booking a holiday ", but absolutely agree with the rest. Quit the weekend papers box pop thing and give us facts. Even if one if the facts is "no one really knows how this will pan out"
When will we see clear signs of the effects of the vaccination in terms of reduction in deaths, hospitalisation and perhaps even transmission ?
Seeing reductions of all those criteria in the figures now but it’s not clear how much is due to lockdown measures and how much is due to vaccination.
Are they deliberately holding back information on this until Bozo unveils his lockdown master plan on 22nd February ....?
When will we see clear signs of the effects of the vaccination in terms of reduction in deaths, hospitalisation and perhaps even transmission ?
There are signs already that the death rate in the over 90’s is reducing. It’s only weak at the moment so give it another couple of weeks to confirm is having an effect.
Are they deliberately holding back information on this until Bozo unveils his lockdown master plan on 22nd February ….?
Partially
As others have said it’s frustrating for things to be leaked than than be told straight.
Things are changing everyday, so it’s best to wait it’s a deliberate policy not to say anything until that date.
(The same as any other large organisation)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/well-get-our-lives-back-even-without-a-ve-day-for-covid-knfxwvvhd
A long but very interesting read
Firstly this thread (mostly) has been a fantastic source of information and analysis. Not posted but followed with interest and learned quite a lot. Thanks to all who have shared their knowledge and expertise.
Secondly as I just posted on @tpbikers Asthma thread, I've am booked in for a vaccination next week. At 53 with well controlled Asthma. Interesting reading NickC's posts (Hi Nick!) about how practices are allocated the patient lists. I checked with mine (to make sure original txt wasn't spam) and they told me everyone with any kind of respiratory marker on their records (ie. chronic disease) regardless of effectiveness of management is being offered a slot.
This is Herefordshire which is a sparely populated county, but a very ageing one!
Alex - that's good news.
There was a scientist on BBC breakfast this morning, who gave his 'personal' view of coming out of lockdown. His words were along the lines of - there's not going to be the normal we used to know, also he thinks a cautious return to opening up the country, but in about 18 months.
But as others have mentioned many times, each and every week we learn more.
As for long covid sufferers I really do believe that the minor symptoms (not the complicated heart and other organ related diseases) is post viral fatigue syndrome. As someone who has suffered this in the past, it really is hard to live with, especially if one has been active, loves exercise or leads an outdoor type lifestyle. Unfortunately it can end up with depression. It's all a waiting game. Trying to balance energy levels, eating properly, resting, getting decent sleep and having a goal for the future. But I truly believe it will not go on forever. There have been plenty of threads in the past on STW regarding pvfs, which if they can be dug up, will give a good insight as how to cope.
and they told me everyone with any kind of respiratory marker on their records (ie. chronic disease) regardless of effectiveness of management is being offered a slot.
yep. They offered my 9yr old son a slot...
I posted a link to a blog which starts to show indicators of the effect. A page or so back.
Are the scientists that appear on the national TV channels reliable?
Or have they themselves become addicted to ‘fame’. Personally it really grinds my gears, when you get a scientist on TV, giving their opinion on when we are going to be ‘unlocked’. That’s the governments job!
Also I think it is starting to paint science in a bad light for the masses.
At the moment I'd rather listen to a scientist than the government.
Are the scientists that appear on the national TV channels reliable?
Some of the repeat guests have been wrong about everything for a year, but still get booked. I’m afraid you need to look at their track records yourself to decide which ones are reliable… the TV channels vet for interestingness and availability… not for the reliability of information provided.
I had the Pfizer jab on Thursday having had Covid in December. Firstly I was told I wouldn't get the jab as the chemo I started in January would probably render it ineffective and that chemo would also hit any anti-bodies so I could easily catch it again. But when I went for routine blood tests a couple of weeks ago I was told I could have the jab but they didn't know how effective it would be.
Woke up yesterday feeling dog rough and with a heart rate of 122 and my average for yesterday was 93. Much better today but it did hit me hard yesterday. Not looking forward to the second dose.
The video where Campbell goes into the enduring immunity of SARS1 survivors to covid-19 is, I'm pretty sure, this one:
As for long covid sufferers I really do believe that the minor symptoms (not the complicated heart and other organ related diseases) is post viral fatigue syndrome.
We don't really know yet. There are a couple of interesting theories around NAD+ deficiency and persistent live virus hiding out in the body which have generated treatment protocols, which seem to be working for some long haulers, me included.
What I have found a bit weird is that some CFS sufferers seem resentful that long covid is getting media attention and almost wishing the condition to be the same thing and just as enduring. I find them depressing and negative. If it makes things feel better, the medical establishment has no answers or treatments for long covid either and you're basically left to manage your own treatment.
Whether long covid has any impact on government policy is probably down to the sheer numbers involved and whether anyone close to Johnson gets it.