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the government can hold their hands up and say that if behaviour this weekend results in the virus hanging around at current levels for longer than you might think desirable, it’s not on them.
They can try but:
They all fought to become the government
They are in charge
They are responsible.
Leaders lead, they don't check where the mob is going and then join in.
They're absolutely clueless (or just making it up as they go along). Raab claimed earlier we're moving from Lvl 4 to 3
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1267014571304370176?s=20
Raab claimed earlier we’re moving from Lvl 4 to 3
He also clained that we HAVE a "world beating" tracking system, even though other countries like Germany had an advantage from expeience with previous pandemics. These halfwits are really not worth speaking to.
World beating track and trace system you say?,
https://twitter.com/theprolestar/status/1266681680821211137?s=21
Well, we'll have to see what happens with death rates over the next few weeks. Certainly from my POV, the 'lockdown' has been slackening significantly over the last couple of weeks and now many look like they couldn't care less. I think the best we can hope for going forward is that behavioural changes and the closure of pubs and sports events keeps the R coefficient <1. I can't say I have much faith in the technical competence of this government given the incoherent and mixed messages we've had recently. They have also been prepared to compromise their own guidelines and instructions to save Cummings which I find reprehensible and tells us all about their priorities.
I’d rather they put out public information tv add to show exactly how you should have a Covid safe BBQ As opposed to a you can have bbq statement.
I can’t remember if it was Thursday or Friday but Sky news has a “how to” article.
Anyway yes, we appear to be communicating level 3 but indicating level one. This had all the professionalism of the Red Dwarf red alert sketch, e.g. I suspect they are in Westminster arguing about who should change the light bulb...
Andy Burnham just said test track and trace won't be up and running in Manchester for at least two-weeks
It's time for Starmer to start holding their feet to the fire
Meanwhile in Manchester I've just been to s Tesco to pick up my dad's prescription (a huge list). Despite the sign on the door clearly urging only 'one person per shop', there were dozens of families, some of three generations in there milling about.
football, beer, and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult…
George Orwell, 1984
That's why I avoid Tesco; normally because it's full of shirtless men in the summer but also because many who shop their lack the self-discipline to comply with covid rules.
The Sainsbury's near me is doing a sterling job making people queue to get in and most people are acting sensibly when inside. Once a week I shop at the local (big) Asda for my parents and have noticed that in the last couple of weeks things have slackened off a lot with no control over entry any more, and as you say, large families treating it as a ****ing day out.
Our two local supermarkets are still sensible, though I was the only person wearing a face covering yesterday. It's time these were made compulsory for all communal indoor areas.
…and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult…
https://twitter.com/matthancock/status/1266758277041401857?s=21
He is MP for Newmarket, after all.
No crowds though I think for the horse racing?
That’s why I avoid Tesco; normally because it’s full of shirtless men in the summer but also because many who shop their lack the self-discipline to comply with covid rules.
Absolutely, this was just after 11am today, it was almost indistinguishable from any normal day in there. It's only the pharmacy I use at the Tesco, in & out as quickly as possible once every two months if everything listed on the prescription is ok (often isn't). Sainsburys near us was well organised pretty much from week one of lockdown, Tesco & Asda weren't. Then the Sainsburys started doing click & collect which is in some ways better than a home delivery - more slots available, no need to wait around at home for up to an hour, can leave some non-perishable stuff in the car boot to self-isolate etc. (everything else gets disinfected at the door).
Supermarkets are surely one of the main vectors for infection now.
Supermarkets are surely one of the main vectors for infection now.
Not now or at any time during the pandemic according to French and German studies. None of the forty odd post lock down clusters in France are linked to shopping, all are related to places people have spent long periods together indoors. The vast majority (me included) wear a mask when shopping, contact times are short, distancing pretty good = low risk.
It’s time for Starmer to start holding their feet to the fire
I know he'll be accused of politicising it, but he needs to start making the government explain how they are justifying their actions, and using the death count against them. Otherwise he'll be guilty of not doing so.
If only we could track outbreaks for a reliable plan going forwards like France
Could it be that asymptomatic transmission is now driving the infection
I think it always has done.
Yeah, I think France were citing opportunities for super-spreaders given 'prolonged minglings' like in university halls, pubs, planes, tightly packed sporting events, music venues, etc.
I think France were citing opportunities for super-spreaders given ‘prolonged minglings’ like in university halls, pubs, planes, tightly packed sporting events, music venues,
None of which are currently happening in the UK, which leaves supermarkets.
And public transport in major cities
That isn't quite true. Public transport is still operating albeit less and many factories and businesses are still open. The lights wouldn't be on and we wouldn't be eating otherwise.
None of those is currently happening in France either, Scotroutes.
All of the identified clusters in France have UK equivalents. You don't need transmission in supermarkets to explain the current level of UK transmision just contact in perfectly legal settings that don't even break lockdown rules.
Transport: busses and trains are still operating which puts people in a confined space for the tiem of the journey. In France trains allow only one seat in two to be occupied and you have to wear a mask, and in the UK?
Abatoirs and meat packers: people working in close proximity in a cold confined environment.
Worker accomodation.
Indoor work places that are still open and key.
Old people's hime and othe rcollective accomodation
Schools - even with restricte numbers
funerals even with limited numbers
etc.
I've still yet to go in a food superstore since 16th March iirc, so I've no idea how things are in compared to the Tesco Express I've visited at least once weekly since April, but the latter has become an absolute shambles in the last ~3 weeks in terms of staff and other customers coming way inside 1m of me.
I'd guess I have 3-5 people get within 2m of me on each 5-10min walk around the store.
I'd imagine it's much worse than that in the superstores.
The only minor concellation is I think I've had it, albeit there seems to be a lot of uncertainty still about immunity.
I'd wager that hospitals and care homes are the most significant sites for transmission.
Klunk
George Orwell, 1984
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. Until they became conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.
I’d imagine it’s much worse than that in the superstores.
I have found it far better in the large stores than small stores, far more space, less customers per aisel, bigger aisles, more room at the tills etc.
It seems to vary from store to store (not company to company).
My experience
ASDA - absolute free for all
Tesco largeish store where my son works - very good. Limit in numbers, barriers and staff briefed to turn people around if they are going wrong way. Queue to pay forms in penultimate aisle (after walking up last aisle) and you are told which till to go to as they become free.
Aldi - limited numbers in store but getting to checkouts is a pain because everyone queues in last aisle even though other tills are free closer to entrance. No staff to tell you when tills are free.
Tesco express - too small and continually getting in each other's way.
Waitrose - strict limit to amount in shop. Plenty of room when you get in but still bloody expensive!
M&S Foodhall - limited numbers but hectic still due to size.
My local Sainsburys has been great tbh. Even the staff seem fairly happy, which I don't think I would be if I was them. First place I saw screens up, strict limits on people. Local tesco, not so much- it's not just the shop though, the shoppers are way less good.
I was in a Lidl the other day and it was just lovely. Quiet, relaxed, lots of space, it wasn't just a nice shopping experience- it was a nice experience full stop.
Doesn't seem to follow a pattern of brands round me, more what the immediate area the store is in and what type of customers frequent it. Most stores seem to be trying with mixed results. If the customers play ball then it's all good but if they don't then you have no chance of controlling them once they're in the store.
The protests in the US are worrying from a transmission perspective. The media coverage of the protests here don't look much better in terms of proximity to other people, not wearing masks etc etc.
Even the positive ones - e.g. The one where the Sheriff dresses down his colleagues helmets & batons to join in the protest, contains a lot high fives and hugs from said Sheriff to colleagues and public.
I worry enough about this country tbh, US is just a complete mind **** of a country.
Did my mum's shopping at Morrisons this morning. First morning I've needed to queue to get in, but people being sensible in store.
They have opened every till though, so hard to distance on the back to back layout
Asda is a nightmare, but it always is, seems to attract aw the idiots of the day. Sains is fine, Aldi ditto, and Lidl locally same as Northy's, lovely and quiet.
Has anyone else noticed the difference in PPE provision in the US?
Hospitals struggling to get it yet law enforcement tooled up with enough para-military equipment to survive anything.
Morrisons
Local Morrisons have been well organised right from the start. Limiting entry, entry queuing well setup, reasonable checkout queuing arrangements, screens for till workers, someone moving the queue to appropriate tills, etc.
So how come horse racing is back on when according to the Government's own traffic light system we should be at Level 1 ("No Transmission of Virus") before sport resumes?
So how come horse racing is back on when according to the Government’s own traffic light system we should be at Level 1 (“No Transmission of Virus”) before sport resumes?
To coin a phrase, all bets are off...
Just been to the Tesco Express down the road. It was as if Social Distancing had been cancelled. People getting in each other's way, one way being ignored, 2m rule forgotten etc.
****ing nightmare.
So how come horse racing is back on
Coz matt hancock takes his political donations up the arse from the newmarket racing crowd
Wasn't Level 1 for spectated sport - to avoid stadiums full of people? Think the horse racing is without public attendance. Agree with the above though - priority given due to vested interests.
Horses don't catch it.