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“ France has stopped freight. Gridlock kent soon”
Source for that?
Sky news
Only unaccompanied freight allowed.
This could be interesting.
France's ban covers travel by air, road, rail and sea and comes into operation at midnight tonight (Sunday).
Only unaccompanied freight will be allowed into France.
Transport from France to the UK is not affected https://www.thelocal.fr/20201220/france-considers-suspending-flights-and-trains-from-uk-over-covid-mutation
France has stopped freight. Gridlock kent soon”
Source for that?
BBC are; France are closing all travel routes for 48hrs from midnight until a European response is formed.
France’s ban covers travel by air, road, rail and sea and comes into operation at midnight tonight (Sunday).
Damn,there goes the Xmas trip to our chalet in the Alps.
Bbc news had a beautician bleating on about not being able to stay open on the run up to Xmas
So, you cant glue Pointless glittery fake nails onto your gullable customers fingers. Some people have strange priorities.
At least Handcovk sounded angry at the travel chaos he helped create, do these people not think things through
Lets do this.... Yes, yes, yes, ok time for a G&T before we make like trees and offski
Preliminary analysis of the new strain published - as I suspected, a tighter binding to the entry receptor, ACE2, is noted. With other genetic mutations that may have additional biological significance. Still early days, but four week doubling of frequency looks like a real abs significant effect of biological consequence. A similar strain is noted spreading rapidly in South Africa.
Damn,there goes the Xmas trip to our chalet in the Alps.
ahh, stw woes
France’s ban covers travel by air, road, rail and sea and comes into operation at midnight tonight (Sunday).
Damn,there goes the Xmas trip to our chalet in the Alps.
Pritti's confiscated dinghies to be 2021's must have item?
If they did a proper lockdown for three weeks, no work and no shopping, the thing would be gone.
It really wouldn’t. Cases would fall to manageable levels, and I feel confident that a full lockdown would certainly contain and shrink cases of even a more contagious strain.
I’d take the +0.4 for R and a previous lockdown value of about 0.8 (meaning it can’t be controlled) with a pinch of salt. Yes, clearly R is greater than one for the new strain in the South East (it’s spreading) but I don’t think one can reliably say by how much given available data. Schools have been open, there was more contact during Lockdown2.
I feel confident that the new strain CAN be controlled by non pharmaceutical intervention. But a further full lockdown looks likely to me in the new year. If cases continue to grow elsewhere, I think we’ll be closing schools. That’s not trying to be alarmist, but if I was a head teacher, I’d be planning next term online as contingency.
if I was a head teacher, I’d be planning next term online as contingency.
Christ, those poor ****ers have enough to do planning how to get all the kids tested!!
Christ, those poor **** have enough to do planning how to get all the kids tested!!
You have (1) message from Gavin:
Scrap that, no-one's coming in! Deliver online teaching instead!
I fully expect this message to be sent no earlier than 2 hours before the start of term.
If they did a proper lockdown for three weeks, no work and no shopping, the thing would be gone.
Isn't the problem that a "proper lockdown " only exists in an oversimplified theoretical world?
Doctors, nurses, hospital cleaners, porters, police, firemen, a few shops, petrol stations , breakdown services, childcare for the above, some teachers, some cleaners, utilities workers, care home workers, meals on wheels. etc etc
Enough people who have to continue to work to keep society going. Just enough to keep the virus ticking over indefinitely,
Then after your three weeks then it goes on the rampage again...
Scrap that, no-one’s coming in! Deliver online teaching instead!
More like:
(1) school returned postponed for a week, carry on as planned.
(2) school returned postponed for a week, carry on as planned.
(3) school returned postponed for a week, carry on as planned.
...
(N) errr scrap than and go online NOW!
Just found out this evening my 86 year old dad has tested positive whilst in hospital getting treatment for other ailments.
Tested on admission on Wednesday which was negative, then Friday negative but positive today.
This just days after my dad’s cousin died with Covid 19.
One school in kent did mass testing last week. Lots of students and 6 staff positive. School was closed.
So either online teaching in jan. Or one day to do testing then online anyway as too many positive results.
Only just learnt about the tier 4 exodus - just shows we ain't gonna beat this with common sense alone 😒
Q: what have the medieval village of Eyam and modern London got in common?
A: Absolutely **** all.
Did the vicar of Eyam not dispatch his children before isolating the village 🤔
Sadly common sense is not that common.
For example, how many threads have you seen about buying new £400 wheels to save 350g? Just going for a number two before a ride will reduce the weight
Just going for a number two before a ride will reduce the weight
Ocht Elshal. You've said loads of worthwhile stuff these last days and then ruin it coming out with that shite.
Is dissapoint. 😔
🙃
A lot of sanctimony about people leaving London etc
Several I know been isolating for a week so they could go home to family they might but have seen for months
1000 s of students have had 2 covid tests this week so they could go home & probably feel they are OK to do so (as Johnson said 3 days ago)
A lot of very lonely people out there, lockdown is a necessary evil. But not easy on everyone.
If my work hadn't closed early this year id still be getting the train in and out of London until Thursday as I can't work from home.
Enough people who have to continue to work to keep society going. Just enough to keep the virus ticking over indefinitely,
Then after your three weeks then it goes on the rampage again…
If that were the case, wouldn’t the same apply to a 70% effective vaccine?
Not if you can vaccinate enough people as it makes it much less likely that an infected person would come into contact with a susceptible person. Those reduces transmission.
I am expecting an mhra announcement soon based on this,simply as they need to get vaccines out fast now.
Just going for a number two before a ride
Forget an upgrade, I saved enough for a new pair of wheels.
Those reduces transmission.
On a point of information, we believe that transmission will be reduced, but it is possible that severity of infection, and hence healthcare burden, are the real measure of vaccine effects.
I'm sorry I've come on to read this 🙁 don't know what to think anymore.
kimbers
Full MemberA lot of sanctimony about people leaving London etc
Several I know been isolating for a week so they could go home to family they might but have seen for months
1000 s of students have had 2 covid tests this week so they could go home & probably feel they are OK to do so (as Johnson said 3 days ago)
Yup. It's not OK, but so much of the blame, once again, is on the government not the people. How many times is that now? "We're banning pubs, from Saturday, so whatever you do don't go out on Friday night, nudge nudge". "It's safe to go back to work as long as you do so before the end of the paragraph because that's literally how long you've got before the uturn"
I’m sorry I’ve come on to read this 🙁 don’t know what to think anymore.
Hang in there, bud - tough times for us all but it will get better.
20/20 hindsight doesn’t solve the current issues we’re facing.
Who needs hindsight? Sorry, but nothing has really come as a surprise since we saw what happened late February in Southern European countries. We are exactly where many said we would be at this point. Politicians just keep hoping for the best, rather than listening and acting in good time, in many countries, not least here.
But not easy on anyone.
Fixed that for you. We just have to make it work though. We should have the knowledge by now… stay apart to stop the spread. Come together virtually for now. Embrace each other when it’s safe to do so again. It’s not easy for anyone though.
Hang in there, bud – tough times for us all but it will get better.
Most definitely this. The media does not do perspective, and Chris Witty has painted a picture as I have. That this is an emergent pathogen, and that the timescale for its control and defeat is 18 months. We have a new treatments and a stream of vaccines.
Viruses mutate, and this one is no different. But they also typically mutate to be less pathogenic. That remains to be seen so far, but this is early days. But the vaccines have already delivered very strong results. It appears that all established platforms will be useful. So it’s now a production play rather than a science play. A huge change. The timeframe for the media is days. The timeframe for significant events in this pandemic is weeks to months.
2021 will be better. I am in no doubt.
Question for those in the know. If the virus has mutated here - will it just do the same elsewhere? And follow the same pattern, or be slightly different?
A lot of sanctimony about people leaving London etc
I must admit I thought it crazy for the government not to put the whole country on an equal footing but hey looks like they won't be far behind on the transmission train now.
Something I’ve been thinking on with mutation & vaccine.
Every year we get a new strain of flu & a new vaccine. If COVID mutates & the vaccine requires changing, are we back at square 1, or can we quickly adapt the vaccine as we do with flu?
Question for those in the know. If the virus has mutated here – will it just do the same
Yes. And it is the acquisition of several mutations in the spike at the binding to cell attachment that is interesting. The strain has been noted in south Africa.
can we quickly adapt the vaccine as we do with flu?
Given the proof of mRNA technology, this is a soluble problem. It’s been the norm for chicken coronaviruses for years using conventional technology. Just a matter of time.
Im guessing its already spread to other laces
but does feel like we are a bit of a pariah
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1340794762060771329
A brief update from the Antipodes, in case anyone needs a something of a break from hearing about the UKs woes.....
We've had an outbreak in the Northern Beaches of Sydney - which is a collection of affluent suburbs stretching 30km up the coast from the northern head of Sydney Harbour (ie: Manly), to the tip of a peninsular (Palm beach).
So far we've had 83 cases linked to that cluster, with 15 positive results in the last 24 hours, which was lower that the 30 new cases we had yesterday - this despite 38,000 tests being done yesterday (which is about 4x what we would usually do). To early to say, but we are hoping that they have got it under control.
This is now NSWs second biggest outbreak of the pandemic: the Crossroads Hotel (57 cases), funeral service at Bankstown (76 cases), with the biggest so far being the Thai Rock restaurant (114 cases).
So far - we have be tracking/tracing like a mofo - they are updating a list of venues almost hourly, telling people that they need to isolate and get tested if they were there between certain times.
Otherwise, the Northern Beaches is essentially in "stage 4" lockdown - with the rest of Sydney being told to wear masks, maintain social distance - but nothing stronger than that for now (although I think it's coming). The other Australian states have banned travelers from greater Sydney - which has screwed everyone's Christmas/holiday plans (the kids summer holidays started this week too).
They haven't identified what the initial source of the infection was - but it's an American strain apparently - and people think that it probably came from Aircrew, who are subject to less strict Quarantine than returning travelers. All the infections in the cluster are the same strain.
There were two "superspreader" events: a gig at an RSL (like a working men's club), and then a party at a bowls club (yeah - lawn bowls), other than that, they've seen spread through a local Gym and hairdressers.
Apparently we've had a few cases of "the British virus" in quarantine over the past few weeks - but nothing is changing as a result - you can only come here if you are a citizen/permanent resident, and you have to quarantine for 14 days on arrival under lock-and-key. Apparently they are beefing up quarantine with 1,400 more troops (the army runs the quarantine in NSW) - I suspect they have got the message that the public are not going to tolerate any more quarantine ****-ups.
Bbc news had a beautician bleating on about not being able to stay open on the run up to Xmas
So, you cant glue Pointless glittery fake nails onto your gullable customers fingers. Some people have strange priorities.
I mean its almost like this persons running a business and seeing it slip await through no fault of her own unable to help feed her family. Maybe you have "strange preterites" or just a lack of empathy.
I mean its almost like this persons running a business and seeing it slip await through no fault of her own unable to help feed her family.
Hi Joe,
Tragic though it is for every small business this Christmas, it highlights the ignorance of the "just-in-time" nature of food and essentials distribution in the UK. We manufacture almost *nothing* that we consume bar sugar, milk and a little veg.
The only good thing to come out of the bit of a mess that is Brexit is that supermarkets and their distributors have warehouses full of stock, but this is only good for a few days.
If there was a time to be panic buying it is now, and I imagine the reason the media isn't jokingly discussing bog-roll stockpiling this time around is because they know how serious the situation is and aren't about to take the blame for precipitating it.
If there was a time to be panic buying it is now
you do realise panic buying and stockpiling compounds the problem people think its going to help?
I mean its almost like this persons running a business and seeing it slip await through no fault of her own unable to help feed her family.
The thing we should all be being outraged about here is that the government's mishandling of this thing since February has meant a rolling cycle of economically disastrous restrictions, and the fact that there isn't the economic support in place for some of those affected.
Though I will say that the hairdressers our family have used have felt some of the safest places I've been since lockdown, masks, one in, one out, t&t etc, so I have some sympathy with those who've made every effort.
The voxpops are always personal and the person interviewed is often missing the wider perspective. Getting your nails done might be a nice treat but it's non-essential business. Nearly every interview I've seen the narrative is "woe is me", "I've got it really hard", "it's a tragedy that my boutique Instagram dog-wedding business is crumbling as I've worked really hard for 1 year setting it up".
They never say.... I'm having a tough time but others have lost family members, or lost their jobs or I understand that we're facing an existential crisis. I sometimes think the media are manipulating them but some of them come across as very self-important. Instagram dog-weddings is not a real job but in their minds they're as important as front line doctors.
It's crap that any business folds but some businesses are just not sustainable, nor are they important in the middle of a global pandemic.
it highlights the ignorance of the “just-in-time” nature of food and essentials distribution in the UK
And that statement shows a lack of understanding of the just-in-time philosophy, it allows retailers to be agile and massively reduces waste and cost. Warehousing large volumes of consumables takes a lot of resources. Under normal circumstances and even abnormal ones it works well when done properly and we all benefit through reduced prices and fewer greenhouse emissions. It's the government who have once again decided to so badly destabilise our country for no foreseeable benefit who are to blame, not supply chain management.
But the JIT approach has risks as well as benefits. Remember the 2011(?) floods in Thailand that meant you couldn't get HDDs for months? It affected the world wide production of computers for a year
They never say…. I’m having a tough time but others have lost family members, or lost their jobs or I understand that we’re facing an existential crisis. I sometimes think the media are manipulating them but some of them come across as very self-important. Instagram dog-weddings is not a real job but in their minds they’re as important as front line doctors.
I've got no problem with people being self-absorbed when they are losing their livelihood. Being self-absorbed is a human quality.
The issue I have is with media organisations who give these voices equal prominence. A few nights ago our local BBC TV news carried a long interview with a pub owner from the Dales who openly encouraged people to travel from Tier 3 into Tier 2 against guidance on the basis that it wasn't actually illegal to do so. I respect her right to have that opinion, but Look North's decision to run the story was shameful.
Better troll than the skiing at Christmas one.
Lol!
Welcome to the forum! Contender for “best first post” surely?
You are Laurence Fox and I claim my £10
Offensive troll reported.
Im outraged..
What kind of monster puts milk into coffee??
Odd post, anyway:
Yet you blindly continue clap your NHS heroes. You know those heroes who have mostly sat on their arses all summer and denied treatment to cancer patients.
My wife is a cancer nurse and has been continuing to treat patients throughout
I prefer a flat white to a latte
The rest of us do not wish to listen to your pious, virtue signalling crepe any more.
I quite like the idea of a pious virtue-signalling pancake.
I wonder if its the car survey guy getting his reverse troll on
I quite like the idea of a pious virtue-signalling pancake.
Not until after the Brexit, you'll just have to put up with this type of crepe until then
I quite like the idea of an aggressive anti-establishment, anti-elite, anti-sheeple poster running scared of the swear filter...
I prefer a flat white to a latte
Me too, but I mixed it up a bit this morning and had a cappuccino. I feel vindicated in my choice now - thank goodness arsebiscuits wasn’t talking about me
These guys need to learn to vary the script a bit. Where are they coming from?
You people seem way too naïve to even look outside the heavily censored mainstream media for a balanced source of opinion.
And yet everything you say I've seen before in the heavily censored mainstream media.
Joined yesterday, how long before you get censored? 🙂 2.5/20
Good spelling, punctuation, sentence structure etc
My wife is a cancer nurse and has been continuing to treat patients throughout
Yeah that was particularly daft as the oncologists I work with have been insanely busy all summer and still are now, pathology department assigning extra shifts over Xmas too
Carpark at my local Aldi was full at 8.00 this morning 😮
Is arsebiscuits trolling? Either way, it’s not a million miles off a conversation I keep finding myself trapped in. What do you say in answer to those who say this sort of thing (and that lockdown is a convenient means of population control to avoid scrutiny over Brexit)? I don’t want to derail the thread, but genuinely it’s a thought process that is out there and I have no idea where to start with debunking it.
What do you say in answer to those who say this sort of thing
Don't bother, block and move on with a sense of pity. The psychological boost some people get from conspiracy theories is the root cause, and ironically, arguing with them fuels this and encourages the behaviour.
Also, the act of arguing probably erodes your own self-worth, which is a precious resource right now.
I ask them how the lockdown conspiracy was co-ordinated over every single developed country other than Brazil and America. They don't even get to say 'but Sweden' anymore.
I have no idea where to start with debunking it.
You can point out the blatant lies of cancers patients receiving no treatment but you’re wasting your time, easiest way is to smile and wave. It’s dark hole I find myself in pointing out such lies on other social media circles.
Somebody opened the sherry early.
some businesses are just not sustainable, nor are they important in the middle of a global pandemic.
Everyone's living their own lives, and if this is the business that puts food on their table to feed their kids, then I think it's pretty important to them, and we'd do well to have some compassion to the lives of others as well as the big picture. The government hasn't shown any intent to bail them out until forced to do so by some kid from the wrong side of the tracks who happens to have a conscience as well as silky ball skills, of course they have to look out for themselves.
Anyway; this new variant is a total (convenient) red herring right now. It's a true variant and it might well be more infectious than others, I don't mean that. But we saw cases spiralling 2 weeks ago, we only have one response right now, to reduce contact and transmission and the pricks did nothing. While it's important to know the cause, the effect is the crisis and what has to be dealt with, and all this 'only found out about the new variant on Friday' is just dodging the issue. They had all the evidence they needed at the time and wasted it. Again.
I quite enjoyed it. Most of the troll/ anti STW echo chamber posts here are by folk who can hardly dribble in a straight line (Chewy, I'm looking at you) but that was quite good.
I detect just a whiff of millennial entitlement sneaking in there mind. And a soupson of I'm alright jack, or I would be if you just let me do what I want when I want and sod the consequences to the weak and lily livered.
I'd like to know if he (it has to be a he, probably a beard too if he's old enough to grow one yet) plans to have the vaccine or if that's just for the sheeple.
But overall, a refreshing extra opinion to the mix.
I quite enjoyed it. Most of the troll/ anti STW echo chamber posts here are by folk who can hardly dribble in a straight line (Chewy, I’m looking at you) but that was quite good.
look like a copy and paste to me...
Yet you blindly continue clap your NHS heroes.
dates it
My wife is a cancer nurse and has been continuing to treat patients throughout
Dont even bother engaging with the troll.
Paid government shill: language of the deluded conspiracy theorist. Good luck deprogramming yourself.
Paid government shill: language of the deluded conspiracy theorist. Good luck deprogramming yourself.
dont forget "mainstream media" - somehow every single professional news source has come to the same conclusion, and I have a youtube video to dispute it, must be a conspiracy...
I don’t want to derail the thread, but genuinely it’s a thought process that is out there and I have no idea where to start with debunking it.
I am not sure that engaging with this extreme a view would actually have a benefit.
arsebiscuit is just a troll - burner account and an extreme view insulting as many people as possible in an attempt to trigger, not have a reasoned point of view.
For myself and my family, we do what we do as well. I hope with a 'greater good' attitude as well as selfishness, which if we are honest we all are in our own way. I don't need to influence others, I need to look after me and mine.
Arsebiscuits, I suggest this is probably the wrong forum for you, try joining all the other tin foil hatted, brexit voting gammons on the news, politics & economics forum on Pistonheads, you’ll be welcomed with open arms over there.
I’ll wager you’ve just bought an e-bike for ‘exercise’ too and to boost your ‘eco’ credentials but still think cyclists are the manifestation of Satan on public roads.
Watching the aircraft coming into MIA last night and this morning. Very busy, busier than I've seen it for months.
I really hope these passengers and flight crews are self isolating and doing the 'right thing'.
Hannah - you must walk away from these people, you can't make them change their mindset.
In a mixing of threads, maybe arsebiscuits is Danny Hart's dad...
The NHS that only cares about treating you if you have Covid. Unless you are very old of course
Well, I'm 48 and have been in twice for a Saliendoscopy in the last few weeks.
Tried engaging with a plandemic covidiot, but if they refute logic, what are you going to do? Unfriended him in the end as I got bored of just being insulted if I didn't immediately agree with him - shame, didn't know him well but a nice lad and great photographer.
Don’t confuse the point with your “facts” Kryton!
stwhannah
Full MemberIs arsebiscuits trolling? Either way, it’s not a million miles off a conversation I keep finding myself trapped in. What do you say in answer to those who say this sort of thing (and that lockdown is a convenient means of population control to avoid scrutiny over Brexit)? I don’t want to derail the thread, but genuinely it’s a thought process that is out there and I have no idea where to start with debunking it.
Funnily enough Hannah there is an article about this on the BBC website (mainstream media 😉 )
How should you talk to friends and relatives who believe conspiracy theories?