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We have to see where Italy was 2 weeks ago
Further right than France but not as far as Turkey I think. Been the same for a while
Sky news reporting that a Downing Street source has said the Prime minister isn’t being tested as he isn’t showing symptoms.
Speechless.
That there's one rule for them and the same rule for the rest of us? Yeah sure surprised me too.
Can we stop all the armchair nonsense (and posting links from armchair experts like that medium one)?
JP
I made a decision that my team should not travel to Norway next week. We generally work one week onsite, one week remote. My customer (a health Trust) has implemented a travel ban for their employees, surprised they even countenanced us flying in from all over Europe.
What I'm frightened of, aside from contracting/spreading it, is someone implementing a quarantine while we're on-site and getting stuck for a while, either in Tromso or en-route. 2m of snow is amusing for a couple of days. Not so much fun for two weeks in isolation.
Last week was pretty scary with my daughter. I was all set to pack my stuff up and either isolate myself or fly home. The hospital's response was astonishing: moving from "go home!" to "wait in the entrance foyer between the inner and outer doors & put these masks on" (she's 21 months) to finally being seen by someone who did little more than take her vitals, which were all over the shop. After about 5 hours she got sent home, we finally got her test results back yesterday, a full week after taking her in (she's ok, has a different virusy / chest infection). There appears to be a lack of process, with those involved doing a Cpl Jones rather than working through a plan, which is scary. Surely someone has flowcharted this for the frontline crews? @drac?
There is a process Hot_fiat its based on patient history. I can’t really comment on an individual case I wasn’t involved in.
How is she doing?
From the BBC website.
Later on Wednesday, Boris Johnson is expected to welcome tech companies including Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft and Amazon to No 10 to discuss efforts to tackle fake news about coronavirus and how to keep the public informed.
Really is this true, all you guys WFH and this lot don't have the tech for a video conference?
Later on Wednesday, Boris Johnson is expected to welcome tech companies including Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft and Amazon to No 10 to discuss efforts to tackle fake news about coronavirus and how to keep the public informed.
Really is this true, all you guys WFH and this lot don’t have the tech for a video conference?
They’ve already done that if you do a google search it shows NHS and PHE first.
Wasn't being specific, they just appeared to panic. Still, it was Sunderland Royal, should've gone to the RVI. We ought to know better from past experience (oh it's a child! we haven't got any paediatricians, can you wait here all night 'till one comes in in the morning?).
She's ok now, still has a horrid cough and a temp that cycled between 35.5 and 40.something for a while, but that's gone.
Bless her hope she recovers soon.
In basic terms based on last week if there was no history of contact with an infected case, travelled from a high risk area then the risk was extremely low.
What I’m frightened of, aside from contracting/spreading it, is someone implementing a quarantine while we’re on-site and getting stuck for a while
It's a very real risk, and one I'm currently experiencing working over in Israel. Anyone coming into Israel, from anywhere, has to go into mandatory 2 week quarantine and has to prove they have somewhere available to do this. If not, back on the plane they go. Hotels are not currently accepted as places to self-quarantine. What this means is that my relief, due here in two weeks, can't actually get here and I'm stuck until other arrangements are made. On top of this, before even boarding a flight to Israel, people have to self-isolate at home for 2 weeks if they have been anywhere in Asia or Spain/Italy/Germany/Austria/Switzerland. The numbers of infected when that rule was enacted were lower (Italy excepted) than we currently have in UK so I can't imagine it being long before UK is the list as well.
My advice is unless you're comfortable getting stuck/stranded/quarantined somewhere, don't go.
Sky news reporting that a Downing Street source has said the Prime minister isn’t being tested as he isn’t showing symptoms.
Maybe he’s hoping that having a bloodstream with a high level of alcohol in it is like hand sanitizer(?)
Very few of our civil service department have the ability to work from home. Such nonsense was stopped 3-4 years ago as the “best” way forward is clearly to centralise everyone into fewer bigger regional centres.
There are only two certainties in life...
Sky news reporting that a Downing Street source has said the Prime minister isn’t being tested as he isn’t showing symptoms.
Speechless.
As usual the government is lying
Overweight alcoholic, with history of regular cocaine use, he's got to be careful!
Tho I suppose his boss Cummings is more important
Our office has in place a full WFH plan. They're ready to close tomorrow if needed.
It's all been done very quickly and efficiently. Having a strong reliance on Skype and remote working already has really paid off, the infrastructure is all there to support it.
Sky news reporting that a Downing Street source has said the Prime minister isn’t being tested as he isn’t showing symptoms.
Maybe he’s hoping that having a bloodstream with a high level of alcohol in it is like hand sanitizer(?)
When we write the alternative revisionist history of events in Spaffs and Cumms the musical - Boris doesn't get tested as he was infected as a precaution a couple of weeks back in Kent. Hence going AWOL for a couple of weeks.
All this will be set to the musical number - Boris Wash Your Hands (sung to the tune of Kelly Watch the Stars).
Other notable tunes will include Tomorrow, tomorrow you're always a deal away.
Like others I'm in Week 3 of a pretty brutal Flu experience. I spent 6 days in bed which was a new record , not even in my student days did I manage that. Upside is I have been self isolated for the last 3 weeks and will now continue that. We too had gig tickets and sold them for a nominal fee as I am not keen to expose myself to higher risks right now. Of course daughter is at school so it will come into the house that way anyway but any delay right now for me is good as I am still not 100%. I'm spending all day sorting out contingency plans etc and frankly it gets a bit much sometimes as I am a worrier by trade !
Daft question, but how will the broadband infrastructure cope with all the people WFH? Considering a big chunk of them will be looking after kids or just skiving on Netflix
Labours free broadband for all making a lot of sense right now
hang on, weren't you furiously arguing the other day that WFH was basically impossible 😂Our office has in place a full WFH plan. They’re ready to close tomorrow if needed.It’s all been done very quickly and efficiently. Having a strong reliance on Skype and remote working already has really paid off, the infrastructure is all there to support it.
Whilst panic buying bog roll and hand sanitiser is big here, could be worse it's bullets and hand sanitiser in the US according to GFs sister in Tennessee.
Oops, wrong thread. More related, she works at a hospital has flu and was tested immediately.
and posting links from armchair experts like that medium one
Care to enlighten us to the flaws in logic on that medium post? Seems to me that in every country where the spread becomes exponential the authorities have to take drastic measures and many people die needlessly. Are you suggesting that the almost non-existent measures currently in place here - carry on as normal, but wash your hands more - will prevent exponential spread? The figures suggest we're on exactly the same path as Italy. We also have fewer ICU beds and ventilators per capita. It's almost inevitable that we'll be enacting social distancing measures here, so what are they waiting for?
may be short lived based on some of the conversations I’ve had today.
You work in the service industry if I remember correctly?
The conversation amongst operators is very different today.
The figures suggest we’re on exactly the same path as Italy. We also have fewer ICU beds and ventilators per capita. It’s almost inevitable that we’ll be enacting social distancing measures here, so what are they waiting for?
Only in Italy they greet strangers with a kiss, here you might give your wife a barely perceptible nod or your life long friend who saved your life on more than one occasion a slight rise of one corner of the mouth by way of hello. This is a country where social distancing is learnt before you can walk. Most of us wouldn't sit next to our family on the sofa if there was room, let alone some bloke coughing on the bus.
Only in Italy they greet strangers with a kiss,
was discussing this with the wife about a week ago, she posed the question whether the spike in italian numbers was due to the "touchy feely" greeting. Which kind of asked the question if that was the case are the Italians more likely to catch/spread flu & colds too (is there any evidence for this ?)
Daft question, but how will the broadband infrastructure cope with all the people WFH?
If they are properly wfh (over Citrix, Skype, office) then just fine. If they’re all sat on the sofa, streaming HD pron, then it might be an issue. Only as far as the local loop is concerned though. The core network is pretty good.
italian numbers was due to the “touchy feely” greeting
In honesty I'd think it's likely more to do with the state of the toilet facilities in Italy in general, soap and water seems to be a luxury item in your average cafe/bar loo.
may be short lived based on some of the conversations I’ve had today.
Currently planning a number of TARS. Flotel campaigns with hundreds of folk turning up, from all points of the compass who will only be there assuming they avoid the requirements of current WHO guidance. Nearly 3000 people in total. Short lived aye? It's already evident in the NCS.
Daft question, but how will the broadband infrastructure cope with all the people WFH? Considering a big chunk of them will be looking after kids or just skiving on Netflix
Based on the average U.K. office user bandwidth usage all things being equal (assuming everyone doesn’t just stream 4k Netflix) it’ll be slightly lower on a national level.
Of course it’s not WFH wage slaves you want to worry about, it’s millions of kids being home - at this very moment my Son is watching a 4k YouTube video about, well **** knows, there’s lots of excited screaming whilst simultaneously watching TikTok on his phone. His PC is upstairs downloading a patch for Rainbow 6 which is some kind of Special Forces simulator rather than a Unicorn riding game, despite the name.
They said I was mad going for 300Mbps at home...
There are only two certainties in life…
The not death option here are currently bringing tablets home every evening just in case the office is closed. They are all ready to WFH.
soap and water seems to be a luxury item in your average cafe/bar loo.
I really hope you're being a bit tongue in cheek, but I'd suggest this blase complacent attitude is exactly what's going ensure we follow the Italians. It's bloody climate change all over again. Complete denial that there's a problem, or that we can do anything about it. Well we can, but unfortunately it will involve some self-sacrifice and changes to our lives, and the longer we wait, the more we will have to do.
Good example is my mother. 65, with COPD caused by 50 years of smoking. Today she was shopping in the local supermarket. Says she isn't ill, isn't going to get it, that it's all been blown out of proportion and she'll be fine. Bloody unbelievable.
I'm in the not quite tax section of the not death option. Tablets were due later this year.
I really hope you’re being a bit tongue in cheek, but I’d suggest this blase complacent attitude is exactly what’s going ensure we follow the Italians
I'm not quite sure I follow your outrage. My experience of several cities in Italy is the bathroom facilities were dire. I got through less hand wipes in Nairobi than Rome.
1st case at my wifes hospital today. Not her ward luckily .. but its inevitable with both our jobs in the community and visiting busy local hospitals that we will get it pretty soon; I guess its better to get it sooner rather than later though.
I’m not quite sure I follow your outrage.
You don't think it rings a bit of 'those dirty foreigners had it coming', whereas we plucky british, with our good manners and hygiene habits will be different?
In any case we're no different. Half the male population can't be bothered to wash their hands after having a piss and people sit in offices coughing their guts up rather than taking a day's sick leave. And what about the handshaking? I don't think we can count on british culture to save us.
The Danish PM has just held a press release:
All schools will close as of friday
All gatherings of more than 100 people are banned
All non-essential public servants are being sent home
All private companies are strongly encouraged to get as many people to work from home as possible; instigate working in shifts to have the least number of people on site as possible
Supermarkets, food suppliers are not affected
On the second topic (max 100 people), that all also includes aircraft - so no flight may take off with more than 100 people onboard.
You don’t think it rings a bit of ‘those dirty foreigners had it coming’,
Read in context, not really no, but take it that way if you will, its certainly not meant as such.
Half the male population can’t be bothered to wash their hands after having a piss
You can lead a horse to water and all.
In honesty I’d think it’s likely more to do with the state of the toilet facilities in Italy in general, soap and water seems to be a luxury item in your average cafe/bar loo.
This is the country where you operate the taps with your feet, so that after washing your hands you don’t have to touch anything.
Want a conspiracy story?
I had a phone call from a friend today. His brother works in the "nuclear police" (whateverTF that is). This is what he told my mate:
Fully a third of them have been seconded to the regular police in preparation for the virus threat.
They've been told by the government that the government's own predictions expect an 80% infection rate.
They've been told to expect supply chain shortages by the end of the week. Advice isn't "stockpile" but rather "buy an extra loaf and bottle of milk just in case."
the Prime minister isn’t being tested as he isn’t showing symptoms.
Speechless.
Every cloud.
They’ve been told to expect supply chain shortages by the end of the week.
Tomorrow or as late as Friday?
Let's hope Boris ain't a supercarrier eh!!
That there Queen is knocking on a bit and what with the weekly meetings...
His brother works in the “nuclear police” (whateverTF that is).
Armed units that guard Nuclear power stations and the like.
Must be an odd job, they’re all highly trained Firearms officers but they arrest about 10 people a year collectively.
They’ve been told to expect supply chain shortages by the end of the week.
On the one hand I’m nervous of this. On the other Mrs K went to a full CostCo yesterday, Sainsbury’s today with pasta, bog roll and hand wash empty then earlier popped into Lidl to get some ham for Jnr lunch tomorrow and said the place looked like it’d been stripped by burglars.
Like others we’ve got food for a week and an Ocado slot booked for next Wednesday but after that...?
Oh and yes, Police and NHS workers, even fire and armed forces can expect to be redeployed where needed.
One of my wife’s colleagues was redeployed from District Nursing to screening prisoners for TB so the usual screening nurses can move to Coronavirus screening, which she was delighted about.
AEA police are indeed an odd lot. Only police force who all carry automatic weapons. Mate of mine was with them for several years. Spent A LOT of time in the gym. Most eventful things he had to deal with were doggers in the visitor centre car park and an errant vending machine that would steal from small children in said visitor centre. He went properly, completely, potty.
Interesting news from Denmark. This afternoon SAS weren’t refunding flights if they were wholly within Scandinavia. I suspect (hope) that’ll change tonight as I’ve got a flight from Oslo on Tuesday I’d like my cash back for. Hotel in Tromsø is being intransigent with a non-refundable booking. Guy from Expedia said they’ll probably come round, given the situation, but best wait until Monday itself. Waiting time to speak to Expedia was 40mins today. Even their automated call back system was struggling. My crazy Slovenian colleague is still planning to travel up on Monday. He’s proposing to travel in a disposable boiler suit and mask.
😮
Need a laugh.
Not really a football follower but the Reina comment made me laugh.
From a friend in Denmark,
Denmark is being "shut down" for the next two weeks to slow the spread of CORVID-19. I was in the supermarket when the news hit, and all of a sudden, literal hordes of people came pouring in, filling shopping carts and baskets... It was like a scene from World War Z! Glad the government is taking it seriously after witnessing the collapse of the entire healthcare sector in northern Italy.
Thousands of Spanish football fans have travelled from coronavirus-hit Madrid to the UK for a football game in Liverpool tonight. Madrid has parts on lockdown and are not allowed to gather on mass there, yet they can fly here.. congregate with thousands of other people and then fly home.
WTF.
Seems like way too much complacency about the spread of C-19 and potential to slow this down.
Good example is my mother. 65, with COPD caused by 50 years of smoking. Today she was shopping in the local supermarket. Says she isn’t ill, isn’t going to get it, that it’s all been blown out of proportion and she’ll be fine. Bloody unbelievable.
Unbelievable. Imagine a fully grown adult being able to understand government advice and following the position to continue normal life whilst we are in the contain phase. It may well be she is going to spend quite a while out of circulation in a few weeks time once the advice changes - so might as well get on with life now.
I'm currently hoping the Premier League gets cancelled and Liverpool have to go another year without the title.
Just watching news at 10.
Apparently in the UK, those who are diagnosed are having potential people they may have spread it to traced.
Any of them who are high risk cases due to age etc are being told to self isolate for 14 days.
For those that are deemed low risk, as in it shouldn't impact their health, have no restrictions or advice to isolate.
That seems mad??? Even if they're low risk from getting seriously ill, they could be spreading it everywhere???
What needs to be in this cross party legislation on Friday? I’d have thought the government had all the laws needed to deal with all this already, no?
Apparently a cabinet member may have it not saying who it is ( I think Raab)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51845861
Apparently in the UK, those who are diagnosed are having potential people they may have spread it to traced.
Any of them who are high risk cases due to age etc are being told to self isolate for 14 days.
For those that are deemed low risk, as in it shouldn’t impact their health, have no restrictions or advice to isolate.
That seems mad??? Even if they’re low risk from getting seriously ill, they could be spreading it everywhere???
Yeah I suggest you read this
https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/02/20/what-is-self-isolation-and-why-is-it-important/
Unbelievable. Imagine a fully grown adult being able to understand government advice and following the position to continue normal life whilst we are in the contain phase. It may well be she is going to spend quite a while out of circulation in a few weeks time once the advice changes – so might as well get on with life now.
+1 Totally agree with this.
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If you have COPD and are a decent age, you’d be wise to reduce exposure to others now, rather than wait for this government to say you should change your behaviour.
But Raab is the minister for karate, that's not a cabinet position
you’d be wise to reduce exposure to others now, rather than wait for this government to say you should change your behaviour.
Exactly. Basic bloody common sense. I had hoped otherwise but I think it’s clear now that the govt are more worried about the economic impact than the health impacts. The complacency and incompetence is shocking. Keep calm and carry on as bloody usual. Then no doubt empty words of regret at those who die.
Interesting to compare whether early shutdowns in countries like Denmark & Ukraine will work better than UK.
If the plan is to flatten the curve, I'm not sure how letting the tube stay open & allowing mass gatherings like Cheltenham races, clubs etc stay open, when the virus is already circulating makes much sense.
I'm no epidemiologist tho, obvs
Apparently many patients initially appear ill but not too bad but their blood oxygen is going through the floor...Then bad stuff happens.
God forbid I need it for my mother but I had a finger clip blood oxygen level monitor arrive from Amazon today.
Figuring that if I need to decide between stay at home and see (don't really want to go to hospital with her, potentially, when the nhs is overwhelmed) or no, she needs to go to hospital NOW the oxygen level monitor will inform my decision a bit.
Praying I don't need it.
Exactly. Basic bloody common sense. I had hoped otherwise but I think it’s clear now that the govt are more worried about the economic impact than the health impacts. The complacency and incompetence is shocking. Keep calm and carry on as bloody usual. Then no doubt empty words of regret at those who die.
But there has to be a "happy" medium. Life needs to continue, and if you instil panic then that just induces panic buying as mentioned on other threads. Yes, we need to be aware and vigilant and isolate vulnerable family members, but consequently, we can't just stay indoors ad infinitum.
Well, if I needed a reason to continue working from home for a little longer and not going back to the office (share the same lift as those going to 71)...
We are lucky that most people here would report this and obviously then take the consequences of the going to a quarantine area or self isolating.
But there has to be a “happy” medium. Life needs to continue, and if you instil panic then that just induces panic buying as mentioned on other threads.
If you have a condition that puts you at high risk if you catch this, reducing your exposure to others at this time is simply exercising caution, not panicking.
As for the idiots panic buying pasta and the like… I doubt it has seriously effected a single person’s eating plans yet. “Empty shelves” might make for good TV news items, but any real impact of such nonsense is low.
Yeah I suggest you read this
Yip, read it. Doesn't say the same as the news said. We rewound it and watched it 3 times as we couldn't quite believe it.
The news explicitly said only those who are high risk should self isolate. That seems utter madness and wrong advice.
Daft question, but how will the broadband infrastructure cope with all the people WFH?
I'll go from sitting in the office on STW all day, to being at home asleep, so usage will fall drastically
we can’t just stay indoors ad infinitum.
who’s talking about that? We’re talking a few weeks at most to alleviate the pressure on the health service. If we can’t suspend normal life for a month or so to get a grip on it hen there’s something seriously wrong.
If we can’t suspend normal life for a month or so to get a grip on it hen there’s something seriously wrong.
The vast majority of people wouldn’t be able to suspend life for a week, let alone for a month. The middle class comforts that many on STW enjoy are but a dream for those whom live payday to payday. Going a week without pay, and that is the reality for many, would cripple them.
The benefits of middle class employment, pay for “working from home”, doesn’t extend to the plebs on the factory floor, the cleaners, the trades, the technicians, the workers. They get sod all if they don’t turn up. I’m “middle management” and it’s been explicitly said I’ll be with the plebs, I am a pleb when I comes to us and them.
Without be conceited, I’ll be OK for a while, but there is the backbone of the country that won’t be.
Turns out the conference i went to (in central london) for 3 days last week, with <1,000 other folks, now has at least 2 confirmed cases in the audience. Whoops.
The vast majority of people wouldn’t be able to suspend life for a week, let alone for a month.
Well the alternative is a complete collapse of the health system, hundreds of thousands if not millions infected and tens of thousands, or more, of deaths. And much more punitive and drastic action down the line. Or we can act now instead of hiding our heads in the sand.
Trump bans all travel from Europe (except UK) to US for 30 days, effective Friday.
Will be looking to Congress for legislation to provide financial support for workers.
Then out came the usual boasting - strong economy, great job creation numbers, banks fully capitalised, ability to withstand pressure; this is only a short term concern etc.
Why can't he just keep it simple - and relevant and factual.
Trump announcement came 10 minutes before my flight was due to depart San Francisco, cue huge mass panic as word spread through the passengers, still on the ground 30 minutes later as pretty much an entire plane load ups and leaves. Lots of confused Americans debating whether Ireland is part of the UK (aer Lingus flight).
From CNN.
Tom Hanks infected: The two-time Academy Award winning actor says he and his wife, actress Rita Wilson, have been diagnosed with coronavirus. In a statement posted to Instagram, Hanks said the two were traveling in Australia when they were tested.
https://twitter.com/legendaryenergy/status/1237920294423023621?s=21
Ha ****ing hah you prick, i guess being fit, young and healthy will mean he’ll recover without serious issues but what about the folk he’s transmitted the virus 🦠 onto?,
Trump bans all travel from Europe (except UK) to US for 30 days,
You never know with Trump if it's deliberate or not. Given the US seems to have a massive hidden virus problem he's potentially sending us more problems.
So PSG vs Dortmund was played behind closed doors last night, to a avoid a big crowd of folk getting together.
Except a lot of the fans turned up and watched the game on their phones outside the stadium. 🤦
This is why we can’t have nice things.
I think I could cope with 2 weeks of self isolation with that lass in the Gov.uk advert
We are looking at otential shutdown at work , and that will have a massive impact on me as i need to not be at home all day as its dragging me down to dispair ( builders being twunts ) issues
I understand that the virus remains ‘live’ for up to 72hrs. Ie an infected person could touch a handle leaving traces of the virus. 71 hrs later you could touch that handle and still get infected.
1/2 the people who have the virus show NO symptoms.
That last one is the worrying one. You may be at low risk, but what about when you visit your elderly relative and pass it on without even knowing you have had it?
Wash your hands regularly, don’t touch your faces!
Some of the emergency planning that is going on at the minute is for some quite scary impacts on our health service. We have an ageing, high risk population who could be taking up our acute beds, not leaving much capacity for the younger population who need a bed after they have a car accident, or fall off a ladder, so younger people may not feel they are at risk, but indirectly they are very much so
@CalD ugh, that’s made me realise my flight in a month is the same, stops in Ireland on the way. My partner lives in the USA. Global pandemic was not a factor we’d anticipated in our long distance relationship. I can be here with my kids, but away from him, or with him but away from my kids - neither has any appeal. Suddenly, closing the distance has become all the more important...oh, but wait, we’re moving to a points based immigration system. We could get married and have our own kids and still not be allowed to live in the same country 🤦♀️.